Dear PG Pulpmill road users, be you residents or commerce seekers, or employees, please apprise yourself of the rules of traffic circles. They are quite simple; you yield to people in the circle. That’s it, that’s all. Don’t get angry at the people coming over the bridge for not letting you into the flow of traffic. THEY’RE NOT SUPPOSED TO!

To the lady who brought her kid to one of the more popular movies of the year and proceeded to bitch about people sitting in fron of her…..what the heck did you think would happen? Did you think NO ONE would sit in front of you at all? Then don’t act all high and mighty when you turned me down when I offered to switch seats and let you sit in front……

Yea…Prince George. Home of some real winners…..

hey all, i stumbled across a news story from 2008, and i was wondering what the identities of the victims are, and anything else relative. i cant seem to find anything on it.

‘Targeted’ killing claims two victims in Prince George

PRINCE GEORGE – Police are on the scene where a pair of bodies was discovered early Wednesday morning.

OCTOBER 8, 2008

PRINCE GEORGE – Police are on the scene where a pair of bodies was discovered early Wednesday morning.

“Foul play is suspected,” said Prince George RCMP spokesman Const. Gary Godwin. “It is the belief of investigators at this time that the homicides were targeted.”

The two deceased people were found in a home in the 2400 block of Webber Crescent. It is the same home police raided on Sept. 12 in which they found three illegal handguns, two of which were semi-automatics. At that time five people were arrested: two 19-year-old females, two 29-year-old males and a 28-year-old male. That matter was before the courts.

“That house has seemed a little funny since the police busted the guns,” one neighbour told The Citizen Wednesday morning. “There hasn’t seemed to be anyone coming or going.”

Connections to organized crime are expected, said police, but none can be discussed yet if they do exist.

“The investigation is in its preliminary stages,” said Godwin.
© (c) CanWest MediaWorks Publications Inc

Sine nomine I have to agree with you.

I was coming across the bridge heading to the hart. When a guy from the pulpmill road cut me off. Maybe some people think it’s alternating traffic. Oh and when I honked at him he slammed his breaks on and parked in the middle of the road.

Japan is now calling the Fukushima situation dire and urgent. Some are saying this will be the beginning of an extinction event for the Pacific Ocean.

The problem is they are feeding 400tons a day of water into the reactors to keep them cool, and its all leaking out. They have literally thousands of storage containers erected as far as the eye can see to store some of this runoff… and they built a retaining wall underground to stop the ground water from reaching the ocean… now the ground level has risen, naturally, and its starting to top to retaining wall with no way to stop it.

The Japanese government is now after two years starting to say they have a problem. In two weeks they say the ground water level will top the wall and 400-tons a day of highly radioactive water will go straight into the Pacific Ocean. Fukushima has ten times the tonnage of nuclear fuel as Chernobyl, but unlike Chernobyl they have no way known to science that they can contain this.

So we know there will be a huge plum of highly radioactive water spreading throughout the Pacific ocean. They now say there is no way of stopping this. If true it is an extinction event unprecedented for our oceans.

I would just like to say if it is true that we can’t stop it… then maybe we can still save some of the Pacific and some of the species that we value. Maybe we could make Vancouver Island the new west coast with a Manhattan style project to seal of the Georgia Straight at the north end of the island with a dam or lock, as well as Juan De Fuca Straight at the south. A land bridge to bring rail and highways to west coast Vancouver Island ports.

Its not only Fukushima, but Hansard in Washington State is leaking badly now too… all of that eventually poisoning the Pacific.

If Puget Sound and the Georgia Straight were sealed off from the Pacific, then maybe it could act as a global preserve to save species like the orca and our wild salmon. It would probably cost a $100 Billion and the government would probably have to do that through printing money like they did when they bailed out the banks (America would have to share the cost)… it would create jobs… could involve locks or hydro for the run off… but what is the Pacific worth if we have two weeks until the radio active water flows unimpeded and begins its way across the ocean… maybe two years at best until it reached our shores.

I am just saying “if” then how much time would we have, and could this part of our coastal waters be saved? Japan seems very worried today, maybe we should be too.

Also the CMHC issue this week is huge news and a turning point. It is obvious the banks used CMHC to take all the risk, while they got all the profits. Now that their ability to shift the risk to the rate payers and CMHC is diminished, it is logical that the banks will have to charge higher interest rates for loans for people who are unable to get CMHC mortgage insurance, or just lend out less for mortgages.

If the housing market is in a bubble, then this move is the first domino that will trigger higher borrowing costs and lower lending ultimately leading to a housing valuation correction. If large enough and enough capital evaporates, one wonders how that will effect the larger economy?

The speed limit on the bridge coming onto to the traffic circle is 30 k, not 80k.

no one has the right of way in a traffic circle

I think it’s ridiculous that a city this size that wants to support tourism does not have a sanitation dump station. Quesnel has one, Williams Lake has one, Hundred mile has one, but not Prince George. The only two I know of that is privately owned that does not charge is super save and Bon Voyage Motor Inn . Shame on Prince George.

Never had a problem when we had traffic lights at both ends of the old one way bridge. Now the traffic backs up at rush hour on the Pulp Mill Road sometimes for a couple of kilometres. Naturally those coming off the bridge will keep coming, because if they don’t, then the traffic starts to back up at the bridge, and eventually gets to the lights a River Road and causes some problems there. Whoever gets on first controls the flow for quite sometime.

The roundabout at the North end of the half new Cameron St. Bridge was not put in because it best served the traffic needs, it was put in because the City did not have enough money in the bridge budget to reinforce the pilings and approach at the North end, and to install lights.

What they did was put in the traffic circle, thus making it part of their road budget. They were able to put the new bridge over MacMillan Creek by using money from the Parks fund.

The end result was this less than perfect traffic circle that frustrates people.

One thing that saved the day, was the Cities projection that traffic on the bridge would increase from 8000 vehicles per day to 14000 by 2014. This of course hasn’t happened yet, and if it had happened then there would be a lot more congestion at the North and South ends of this bridge.

Have a nice day.

The only problem with the traffic circle is that there is an inordinate number of stupid people with driver’s licenses.

http://www.icbc.com/faqs/questions/traffic-circles-and-roundabouts

The rules are really quite simple. I personally avoid the circle in the late afternoon when the mill traffic is heavy. Most of those drivers can’t even grasp the simple concept that is called “signalling”.

Stonekicker:

Pretty clear that vehicle in the roundabout has the right of way.

http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/roundabouts/index.html

“Dear PG Pulpmill road users, be you residents or commerce seekers, or employees, please apprise yourself of the rules of traffic circles. They are quite simple; you yield to people in the circle. That’s it, that’s all. Don’t get angry at the people coming over the bridge for not letting you into the flow of traffic. THEY’RE NOT SUPPOSED TO!”

I work down there and drive that circle at least 4 times a day. It is absolutely ridiculous how screwed up that circle is with people who have no idea how it works. In fact, it should be easier as there are only 3 intakes into the circle. Last night at 5:00 some woman in a car coming out of the downtown stopped halfway in the circle to let cars enter off of PG Pulp Mill Road. The issue is the rest of us who know how they work slamming on the brakes because liberties were taken with who has the right of way. Maybe a short video on the city’s website would help. It could be the new communications director’s first order of business.

“Stonekicker:

Pretty clear that vehicle in the roundabout has the right of way.”

That is a silly statement. Of course there are rules and rights of way.

Traffic entering from your left have the right of way. If there is a car entering the circle on your left, that vehicle moves into the circle first. YIELD TO THE LEFT

most PG drivers are not able to grasp the concept of “merge” and “yield” let a lone a “traffic circle”. ie: pine center mall onto bypass and 97 south onto 16 west.
drive safe this weekend and enjoy.

Eagle, banks are traditionally short-term lenders.

This is because with ongoing inflation the interest payments they receive over the term of the loan are continually declining IN PURCHASING POWER relative to the costs of the bank’s ongoing operations they have to meet. Which, with inflation, will be continually rising. The longer the term, the more this is a problem.

CHMC was set up originally to back-stop longer term home mortgage loans, since the largest cost that the interest the banks receive has to cover is a premium for the risk of borrower default. A cost that constantly rises, (as do all their other costs), as house prices rise, and more money has to be lent to do what less money would have previously done.

You can moan, as most are wont to do, that the banks are reporting larger and larger dollar figures as their profits, (as are many other large corporations). But taking those profits as a percentage of their sales, they are generally FALLING. As is what the ‘money’ they represent will actually BUY.

Banks, and large corporations, are subject to the same detriments from inflation all the rest of us are as individuals. It always initially looks like ‘prosperity’, but it’s really anything but.

It can be argued that as long as house prices are continually rising there is little risk to the banks in lending on home mortgages, since in the event of foreclosure the house could likely be sold for more than the mortgage balance outstanding on it.

The problem occurs when house prices AREN’T projected to continually rise, or rise as much as the continual demand for new credit, (which the banks create as ‘money’ when they make loans, or spend to buy securities on their own account, or for any other purpose), that’s necessary to allow the existing loans they’ve already issued to be amortised fully as agreed.

Where the greater problem lies is in the fact that with ongoing ‘labour displacement’ in all its forms, (advances in technology leading to greater and greater mechanisation and automation, outsourcing jobs to low wage, third-world countries, importing ‘guest workers’, etc.), the spending from overall consumer incomes derived from employment is falling in ratio to the overall costs of production that have to be fully recovered from the prices we pay for everything we need or find desirable.

There has to be a way to augment consumer incomes SEPARATE FROM JUST ‘EMPLOYMENT’. Otherwise we can’t pay for what we’ve done from what we’ve done, and the opportunity to pay for it from what we’re doing, or are going to have to do, in terms of an income from employment, is putting us in that ‘race to the bottom’.

Can’t agree more with hadenuf!! Just last week we were about 4 inches from being sideswiped at that spot!! The air was purple & the horn was blaring!! The lady was totally oblivious!! After just having someone run a red light at the 15th ave intersection!!

want to change the cities name: an Abbotsford city councillor, Gibson authored a February 2012 email to the Prince George council suggesting the city look at rejuvenating its image with a new moniker.

He wrote that those living in the Lower Mainland often confuse Prince George with Prince Rupert and among the suggestions for new names were City of North Centre, City of Northern Empire, Capital North and Future City.

PGguy1234: “Maybe a short video on the city’s website would help. It could be the new communications director’s first order of business.”
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpkbqIEoGCg[url]
Seek and ye shall find. This link is to you tube but this clip was on the city’s website for quite some time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpkbqIEoGCg Sorry the link didnt work first time

Oh, and from the City Website:

http://princegeorge.ca/cityservices/transportation/cameronstreetbridge/Pages/Default.aspx

The Homeland Inn, the old Ranch Motel needs to be torn down or gutted and redone with new everything from windows to furniture. The slum Landlord needs to step up to the plate and do something positive for the whole City. The motel is across the street from our new sports store and a block away from a School. It’s time the City stops catering to this group from Vancouver. It should not be about how much money he can make off the tax payers who are paying the rent in these places, even the poor deserve a decent place to live. GET RID OF THE DRUG DEALERS.

Anyone notice that the newly paved 22nd Ave is already started to show signs of failing? You can see where the old cracks across the road were because the new pavement is beginning to depress into them already. For some reason they didn’t scrape the whole street down when they repaved, they only scraped a small portion of it and the parking areas of all things.

Some very interesting statistics are revealed on the City web site about the terrible 1990’s and the dismal economic performance, perhaps many will be surprised when they look at the numbers regarding building permits and construction values for the era from 1990 to 2010, here are the facts:
In the 1990’s, for eight of the years building permits issued exceeded 1000, and three of those were over 1100. In the 2000 to 2010 era the issued permits did not reach any higher than 803, and that being 2005.
Dollar wise, in the ’90s, the 90 million mark was breached six times, while in the 2000 era 5 times. (taking into consideration the inflation factor of the latter era, was the reason for the those 5 years reaching as high as they did.

On checking statistics from other communities the same tale is told.

Hmm, the terrible .90s, were not so bad after all!

The people found in the house a_britishcolumbian were Brittany Giese and Garrett McComb.They were also targets in a earlier shooting,where a nineteen year old was hit while they were driving.They were not shot during that attack.

But: “Anyone notice that the newly paved 22nd Ave is already started to show signs of failing? You can see where the old cracks across the road were because the new pavement is beginning to depress into them already. For some reason they didn’t scrape the whole street down when they repaved, they only scraped a small portion of it and the parking areas of all things.”

This is because the road wasn’t originally deisgned for the weight of heavy trucks that regularly travel on it. We don’t seem to enforce weight limits on roads, and as a result, many roads get beat up. A pretty common problem around PG.

weight limits are enforced, all the loads that leave CF and VanKam are legal, the problem lies with companies petitioning government for more axles thus allowing more weight then the roads were designed for. Big business wins taxpayers pay, they are now allowed to run 9″6 logging bunks on the highway because of this mentality, roads were designed width wise and weight wise for 8 foot five axle loads, simple but not cost effective for companies.

Eagleone, your post about Japan is disturbing. I appreciate you sharing it though. Hopefully the Japanese have the best and brightest minds working on this.

The imagination of eagleone never seems to amaze me. As soon as I think he has reached the limits of fantasy, he jumps to a totally new level. ;-)

As far as PG drivers go, they also continue to amaze in that they do not seem to learn over the decades.

As has already been stated:

There are too many who

1. do not understand the meaning of the yield sign which takes the entering driver to be the sole person responsible.

2. do not understand the meaning of the merge sign … and that refers to the people of the travelled lane into which the entering traffic will be merging … it takes two drivers to work together to make it function as it should

3. do not understand the procedures of entering and exiting of a traffic circle/ roundabout/ rotary (depending on which part of the world one comes from)

4. do not understand the concept of right of way and that the vehicle to the right does not always have the right of way – such as at a yield sign; on a roundabout; AND even on a merge.

Even at a 4 way intersection with a four way stop, it is common for the vehicle which arrived first to have the right of way after stopping, no matter whether situated on the right or the left of other cars at the intersection.

BTW, I think that the City/Highways engineers do not help with respect to the yield distances the roads are designed for. The access from Ferry onto HWY97 south bound, coming up from the ramp has about a 50m length of broken line to allow for the yield to take place into a 70k/h (I think) posted speed while the yield from HWY 97 southbound onto HWY 16 west bound has double the length available with the merge going into a 60k/h travelled section. The visibility on the latter is considerably better than on the former.

There are several others in the city like that. Totally unsafe in my opinion.

A couple weeks ago there was a bit about the city enforcing the bylaw which doesn’t allow residents to put up “Children at Play” signs on the blvd. Rediculous or not, the law says only the city has the authority to post signs regulating or otherwise pertaining to motor vehicle traffic. They decided to enforce the bylaw. I comment on this not because I’m in favour or against but rather to ask why this bylaw is not enforced equally in all areas. McTavish near the Aberdeen Golf course has had 30 kmh signs posted in both directions for years now. The signs are obviously not city issue and were more than likely posted by local residents. While I agree 30km/h is a better limit through a residential area, I think the city bylaw people should do a better job enforcing the bylaws (or not) in an equall and consistant manner.

In the United States, across the Pacific, there was no sense of alarm.

“With the amount of dilution that would occur, any kind of release in Japan would be non-detectable here,” said David Yogi, spokesman for the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

http://www.sott.net/article/264771-Japan-finally-admits-truth-Right-now-we-have-an-emergency-at-Fukushima

The slowing dwon signs in neighbourhoods are only illegal if the highways standard caution signs are used or depicted anywhere on a sign.

That is a common regulation throughout Canada and the USA.

However, other types of “signs” are not illegal at least not here or in some other places such a Washington State.

These things pop up all along local roads id there are community activities which may cause people to cross roads or be near roads, such as local festivals, beach days, etc.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3gRSbZwT-IA/T_EmHX0XldI/AAAAAAAAAIw/zWs8qTUlPNU/s1600/children+at+play1.jpg

Eagleone relax. here are some facts for you that you seem to be lacking

“Radioactive contamination of the sea sounds dreadful, but because oceans naturally contain large amounts of radioactive materials, the net increase in oceanic radioactivity is minuscule.”

Think of all the radiation dumped into the oceans from past nuclear testing and we are still here. You better stay out of airliners and stay away from Jasper.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-10/fukushima-radiation-proves-less-deadly-than-feared.html

Driving down 20th Ave. near the A&W yesterday, saw a pedestrian on the crosswalk. Two of the cars had stopped but a silver 4WDR pickup with a checker plate storage bin in the back license FH9XXX (yes we took the license plate down) went right through the crosswalk… The driver was going way too fast for the traffic conditions and had to stop for the light on Spruce St. away.

My life flashed before my eyes, never mind the pedestrian having a sleepless night. Lets face it, if he had been hit everyone seeing the accident would never be the same.

Driver…if you are reading this post slow down. Truck owner if you are reading this post…your driver needs a bit of a wake up call.

Eagleone and Socredible forget about banks you folks should read this, soon to be coming from a government near you.

http://joannenova.com.au/2013/08/in-the-next-37-years-labor-will-spend-60000-per-australian-to-change-the-weather/

I’m sure the American’s Environmental Protection Agency is totally non-biased ;)

Small “pet peeve” of mine for this week: can anything be done about the hideous flat black mobile billboard that a certain cycle shop parks in front of Spruceland all day everyday? (Assumedly for free advertising). Talk about ugliness making the city look bad. With all of the regulations and bylaws surrounding signs do we really have to leave this eyesore there?

Gus:”The slowing dwon signs in neighbourhoods are only illegal if the highways standard caution signs are used or depicted anywhere on a sign.
That is a common regulation throughout Canada and the USA.
However, other types of “signs” are not illegal at least not here or in some other places such a Washington State.”
Reading further Gus, it seems it is in fact an offense to erect a (by definition) “Traffic Control Device” without a permit.
Section 4.01(k) of the Prince George Highways Bylaw #8065
Maybe a permit was issued for the McTavish signs but it’s highly unlikey.

Why would you trust anything an American would say about the environment?

How can all this radiation disappear when it has a half life of a minimum of 5000 years.

400 tons of radioactive water being made in Japan a day to cool the leaking reactors.. Yeah. It just goes away..

My concern this week is our Senior Citizens behind the wheel. They weave in and out of lanes without signaling or even looking. Other day on fifth, I followed an old lady going so slow I thought she was looking for someone. Actually stopped on the road.. Then started driving slowly again and missed her left turn.. what does she do?? Right in front of me she decided to do a huey.
I’m sure these are not the majority but only the ones that get noticed.

Well Eagleone … 400 tons of water being used to cool the reactor chambers … hmmmmm ….. if this was in the City PG they would use that cooling water (which would now be hot from the heat transfer) and pipe it thru exchangers/scrubbers to the City hall and various other important buildings (like your new PAC on Victoria Street)… then use that same 400 tons which is now robbed of its’ heat and recirc it to perform the cooling function again… no need to waste that first 400 tons of water… recycle people !!!!!!

What an idea… and we are not even going to send them a bill for consulting !!!

:-0

V.

I’m not supposed to trust the EPA or government, but I am supposed to listen to anonymously posted comments on blog sites? Hmmm…

JB – the important thing is to only trust the anonymous blog posts when they have links to comments and articles on other anonymous blog and opinion sites. ;)

Yes, and always remember Fox News and Sun Media TV are your friends. :)

Okay Stillsmokin.. I have been a senior for 59 years already and am still driving like I was on my first date !!!

But I take your point. Age is really no barrier or enhancer to stupidity.

Trust the government ?? Yeah, these are the same people who tell us there is no such thing as visitors from other planets..(Roswell)… the same people who tell us we are not being electronically monitored.. (Snowden) ..

Nothing to see here folks… move along. (sorry, somebody else on here keeps using that and I love it !!!)

Keep your nose into the wind, my friends.

:-) V.

Read the definition for “traffic control device”

“I have been a senior for 59 years”

Holy cow RRrabbitt, you’re 119 years old ?

“traffic control device” means a sign, signal, line, meter, marking, space, barrier or device, not inconsistent with this Part, placed or erected by authority of the minister responsible for the administration of the Transportation Act, the council of a municipality or the governing body of a treaty first nation or a person authorized by any of them to exercise that authority;

Then find the BC handbook … the signs are diamond shaped with yellow background or white square …..

The signs put up in PG were copies of those signs …. on a larger background …. that makes them illegal.

cimnple ….

MF … Dec7, 1893 … there I just pulled out my wallet to check my DL …

WTF ?? … now there is some guy behind me in a big black goat truck … honking like crazy … and I waved out the window for him and the others to go around… sure looks like there is lots of spare room in this merge lane for everybody… sometimes people just cannot be happy …

I don’t know about your road signs up there… sounds like there is wayyy too many of them… we just have ONE sign here… it is just your basic arrow… tells you which way to go.

:-) V.

Dilution is not the answer to pollution. Whale and dolphin meat (a mainstay in Japan) has been found to have as much as 20 times the maximum allowable limit for mercury.

The same will happen to the radioactive pollution. It will be concentrated the higher one goes up in the food chain and with so much of the world’s population depending on food from the oceans it is extremely irresponsible to dismiss the 400 tons of highly radioactive water being discharged daily as nothing to worry about.

This is a finite planet. We should stop acting as if it was a disposable commodity.

much appreciated jakeadoo.
the names rang a bell, the story not so much, i wasn’t in town much that year.
i’ve only started searching, but it doesn’t seem as if these deaths have ever been connected to a killer. sad.

LOL….RRRrabbitt, somebody had to ask about you’re being a senior for 59 years.

The goat trucks get a regular bashing on 250. If you can buy a goat (sheep) truck without any money or credit, how can we expect them to be driven by a responsible person ?

Do the citizens of PG have any respect for the deceased?? Just take a short drive by the city cemetery and you’d swear they don’t water the grass in there…it’s terrible, no respect.

BTW~~the cure for the traffic circle would be a speed bump at the end of the bridge.

The majority of the problems come from the bridge traffic racing to get into the circle before the traffic coming from the pulp mills can merge in.

Dear Jim,

There is a speed bump at the end of the bridge; the transition from the bridge to the North side is rough and usually moving quite slow due to the congested nature of the traffic there at peak hours.

I guess you missed it the first time though so I’ll say it again slower, Jim. You don’t MERGE in a traffic circle, you YIELD to people who are already in the circle. You either have to wait until people heading East on North Nechako cause the people coming onto the bridge to YIELD, or wait until the people coming off the bridge are all through the circle. That’s how it works. Don’t like it, take it up with the guy who designed it.

Posted by: gus on August 9 2013 12:51 PM
“Even at a 4 way intersection with a four way stop, it is common for the vehicle which arrived first to have the right of way after stopping, no matter whether situated on the right or the left of other cars at the intersection.”

ICBC had a televised road test years ago and this was one of the questions which most people get wrong. When you approach a 4 way stop and another car is also approaching it is not the first car that stops its wheels that has the right of way but the vehicle on the right. The Act states that vehicles that approach an intersection at approximately the same time where there are no yield signs the vehicle on the right has the right of way (section 173). If there is a lineup for the intersection of course it is alternating but this was a case where two cars approached and the one on the left that actually physically came to a stop first did not have the right of way because of the wording within the Act.

Immortalized many years ago;)

“It was a four way stop dilemma
We all arrived the same time
I yielded to the man to the right of me
And he yielded it right back to mine

Well, the yield went around and around and around
Till Pamela finally tried
Just then the man in the light blue sedan
Hit Pamela’s passenger side “

The Accident by John Prine

Put a big speed bump at the end of the bridge, end of problem.

It’s not a real traffic circle anyway, there is an exit lane off the bridge directly onto the pulpmill road.

I still think it’s a disgrace that the grass on PG golf courses looks better than the grass in the PG Cemetery. Good thing none of my family is in there….it would be embarrassing to say the least. no respect

Did I hear on the news that the unemployment rate is up in BC?? So much for vote Christy for jobs jobs jobs…….gas prices have gone up since the election though, maybe she just got them mixed up?? ;-)

With a long hot stretch of hot weather that we have had it would be a waste of water to try and keep the grass green in a cemetery. It takes an inch of water a week to keep it lush in this heat.

The grass will go dormant and turn green when the cooler and wetter weather returns. Would damage the course if it went dormant and they allowed golfing.

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Teach people to drive correctly and follow the rules of the road-end of lots of problems;)

Christy whoooooo????

Try and bury yer kin on a golf course then. Elvis got buried in his front yard. Different strokes fer different folks.

Thank you to all those people involved with the community gardens one can see around town. They sure spruce up an empty lot and grow some wonderful food. Would love to see more empty lots filled with gardens :)

Now there is a great topic. Community garden. The one on Victoria and 7th looks like we live in a Mexican barrio!

No one in PG has any understanding how to do something neatly.

Here is the community garden at Davie and Burrard in Vancouver. Nice and respectful looking rather than a dump. And that on Davie Street of all places!!

http://haliaeetus.blogspot.com/2009/07/davie-village-community-garden.html

When I cross the Cameron St. overpass heading North I have a quick look at the traffic at the circle and if there is a lineup coming from the pulp mills I sometimes drive extra slow around the corner and across the bridge to give the mill workers a chance to go.

slinky wrote: “When you approach a 4 way stop and another car is also approaching it is not the first car that stops its wheels that has the right of way but the vehicle on the right.”

Why not? You do not cite a part of the act which deals with that.

Instead you cite section 173 which states:
“(1) Except as provided in section 175, if 2 vehicles approach or enter an intersection from different highways at approximately the same time and there are no yield signs, the driver of a vehicle must yield the right of way to the vehicle that is on the right of the vehicle that he or she is driving.”

That has nothing to do with intersections that have stop signs, specifically a 4 way intersection with a stop sign at each entrance to the intersection.