Have a good weekend everyone, and please be careful on the roads.
metalman.

Just got off the roads and it is a slick one tonight, take it easy everyone on the roads in the morning and have a great weekend

Crap … Over time does not pay cause I cannot be the first post….lol…Enjoy the weekend, shovel any unnecessary snow from areas that may cause you problems…It is supposed to get cold.

Any One shopping On Black Friday?…would love to hear what everyone scored weather online or local…I just bought a $500.00 coat on line,,,Black friday discount $76.00…I have been watching this coat for a while and shipping is free to Canada. After duty $81.50. The Lord has arrived when I can shop at home, in my Jammies with a cup of tea, and mega deals. I dont have to go to the mall, parking, lunch….dinner.. crowds, screaming kids…totally love shopping from home.

99% of my shopping will be done online. Why fight the angry crowds when after a few clicks, I am done shopping and I have a ton more time to spend with my family.

Moose, and you do not have the crazy hastle.

The Provincial government really needs to do something about foot and bicycle access to the Hart.

As if having no shoulder on the road isn’t bad enough already. This time of year when its dark almost all the time, with a black road, no street lighting all the way up the Hart, no sidewalk for foot traffic other than a snow bank… we have kids walking two abreast on the road (supposed to be the main highway) in the dark as its the only place they can walk.

I just can not believe more kids or people haven’t been hit yet walking up the Hart. If the highway that services over 20,000 people isn’t going to have a road shoulder, or sidewalk to provide foot access to the city, then at least the highway should have street lighting all the way from the Nechako to North Kelly.

It is after all the busiest highway in Northern BC with many many people that walk right on the roadway out of necessity….

Time will tell.

I find it interesting the latest revelation by Snowden about Canadian spying.

Anyone else find it odd that a private contractor with no vetting and only on the job for 3-months was able to get more access to Canada’s spy agency CSEC, than even our elected parliamentarians and even cabinet members who are in the dark. What does this say about democracy in Canada? Where is the democratically sovereign oversight that ensures constitutional rule of law?

If one wants a spy agency that has capacity to blackmail for economic and political advantage for private interests, rather than national interests; then look no further than Canada’s CSEC agency IMHO.

Eaggleone I thin the only democracy we have anymore is the ability to vote in whomever we are prepared to let do as they like once they get there and work on their own agendas….

as far as I am concerned harper is bought and paid for by the US government…

I had an interesting chat with a tow truck driver yesterday: I was waiting for the boss to come back so I could pay my bill. Turns out he had to go and impound and RCMP car, again. Apparently they like to park in private parking spots, this time at the Civic Plaza, and think they are above following the rules (no surprise). Then to add more insult, they refuse to pay the impound fines.

Pretty hard to respect our law enforcement when this is how they operate even on the lowest level.

Just once I would like to see an RCMP vehicle use the turn signal indicator.

Eagleone. If you want street lights, etc; you need to go to North Willowcale Road, or Boundry Road, or the new sub divisions. Boundry has all the bells and whistles. All that is missing is houses, industry, and people.

Seems we pay taxes to provide services to newcomers, and industry while we get nothing,. Hmmmmm.

PS. Forgot about River Road. Lots of lights and bike lanes there, even though seeing someone walking on the road is a rare site indeed.

Looks like something is going down in Quinson area again. Five RCMP vehicles in front of a house..

“Eaggleone I think the only democracy we have anymore is the ability to vote in whomever we are prepared to let do as they like once they get there and work on their own agendas..”
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“anymore”? Has there EVER been something different?

bcracer:-“as far as I am concerned harper is bought and paid for by the US government…”
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If that’s true why don’t you follow the money a little further? And see who holds the purse strings governing the US government. Pretty hard to imagine it’s the US taxpayer when the order of business is BORROW, spend, and then tax.

“Turns out he had to go and impound and RCMP car, again.”
I call BS

Happy Friday everyone, drive safe

Hey Willyj, watch the charges if it is shipped UPS – they hose you real good. USPS is still a deal and all you pay is taxes and sometimes 5 bucks duty fees when you pick it up at Canada Post. Even if you pay the duties and taxes up front UPS will usually charge them again plus a huge 20 to 80 bucks in ‘brokerage’ fees and another 5 bucks for ‘COD’ fees if the brokerage is not paid for by the sender. I ordered a tractor rebuild kit from Alberta that was shipped to my home and even though I paid over a hundred dollars in shipping, duty and taxes to the Alberta company UPS held my stuff ransom and threatened to send it back unless I gave them an extra 120

Enough pedestrians have been hit and killed on the Hart Highway already.

There are citizens priorities, and then the Cities priorities, and never the twain shall meet.

Citzens priorities are all about services for taxes paid.

Cities priorities are about Capital Projects, Contracts, Spending, and Self Preservation.

Police costs per day in Prince George approx. $60,000.00

Fire Protection costs per day, $37,400.00

Total for both approx. $100,000.00 per day, or put another way. $4166.00 per hour.

Ups is easy to beat at their own game folks. Go down to the shipping company and get a copy of the waybill. Tell them you are going to clear it yourself. Make a trip up to the airport to the CBS ( border services) and pay the duties and taxes your self. If I had paid the ups extortion fees they want this year on packages I bought the cost would have been well over 500 dollars. Instead by doing it this way the cost was in the 100 dollar range. That is over 400 dollars to ups extortion for no reason. One package they wanted over 30 dollars extortion fees and my trip to the CBS office resulted in no charges to me for taxes or duties. It cost a few minutes of my time and few bucks gas money. Don’t pay ups extortion fees they can be beat at their own game.

The Hart was amalgamated into the City when Dave Barret was premier. That was about 40 years ago! The Hart is still waiting for basics like proper sidewalks.

The City amalgamated all those outlying areas plus South Fort George.

As a result, those within the pre-amalgamation City boundaries are not getting the services, such as road repair, snow removal, etc. that they should be getting. :-)

Regarding Snowden leaks: the so called conspiracy nuts have been calling out big brother for years. I remember hearing concerns about conspiracies and overbearing clandestine surveillance long before 9/11.

I am not saying this validate all conspiracy theories or the true nut jobs, more so that there are intelligent people who are genuinely concerned about preserving personal freedoms and national sovereignty. All of a sudden, the excuse of” if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to be afraid of” has lost all merit. The unbelievable part is that the “security” agencies employ 10s of thousand, obviously not all are analysts; but how can it be that only one person has stepped up to show the world how their own governments are guilty of treason? The fear tactics in these agencies must be profound.

Please do not shop today. We are not the United States of America and do not need more consumerism tied into holiday (or ever). Let’s stop this shopping madness.

As for those who shop online, don’t forget about your local retailers. It shouldn’t be all about saving a few bucks here and there.

Eagleone, good post about the Hart Highway. My family and I would walk/bike up and down that hill a lot more if there were proper bikes lanes and sidewalks. Without many street lights and especially when the streets are wet, I am very afraid of hitting someone walking or biking without proper high-visibility gear.

So Pg you saying it is Davies fault?

“As for those who shop online, don’t forget about your local retailers. It shouldn’t be all about saving a few bucks here and there.”

I totally agree. Think about this before you click “purchase”. Does Amazon support your community? Does NewEgg sponsor a local peewee hockey team?

Small businesses are a part of your local community fabric. Do not disregard them simply to save a few loonies.

I’m not claiming to be saintly as I do purchase online from time to time, but it’s usually for books I simply cannot find in a local store.

More unsafe and poorly maintained roads are Marleau and the frontage road from Marleau to Bon Voyage.

They are narrow, very poor surface, unlighted no sidewalks or walking path. These two roads have very heavy traffic being the main access to multiple subdivisions and a school. Part of these roads are also a major access for traffic heading west out of the Whallies area to highway 16.

What is interesting some of these subdivisions themselves have wide roads and sidewalks.

There is a lot of pedestrian and bicycle traffic on these roads along with many near misses. The city spends a lot of money building yuppie walks like the paved walkway up Tyner but no money where it counts.

Speaking of Tyner how about the building of subdivisions along there with no left turn lanes on another very busy road, WTF. I think a developer should be required to provide safe access.

City Hall, Civil works, knock knock anyone home.

Oh oh I see the chief science columnist is up to his C02 misinformation again inferring man caused C02 is bad but with no empirical evidence..

So here are some facts that he never brings up, naturally occurring C02 accounts for 96.775% of total atmospheric CO2. Mans contribution is 3.225% of total atmospheric CO2.

He seems to imply that mans paltry contribution will destroy the world. Despite hundreds of billions wasted on climatic research there is no empirical proof that mans C02 contribution has any effect on climate at all. Heck scientists have no idea on the effect of natural C02.

One thing for sure there has been a rise in C02 though how to measure is open to debate but the rise has caused an overall greening of the world by about 30% measured by satellite.

I ask again what is the worlds proper mean temperature and what is the correct level of C02 considering he world did quite fine when it was many times higher.

Yep climate change research keeps the money flowing, Gores 300 million is proof. To bad that money wasted and not used on real world issues.

I want to say something about the snow clearing in PG.

I live on Freeman Street. We have an alley in behind our house as everyone on the street does. I’ve lived in this location for 9 winters now.

Every year, the alley would get cleared 2-3 times per year, …..until last year. Every time the main street was done they plowed the alley too.

First of all this is a RIDICULOUS waste of taxpayers money. There was no problem with the alley in years past and if you think of all the alleys downtown, in the Miller addition etc., no wonder the snow clearing budget is getting blown.

The bigger problem is the clearing width. Cars and trucks that use the alley for parking in carports, driveways or garages in the rear of their house (and I do myself by the way, as I don’t have a driveway on Freeman street). If the alley is normally 15 feet wide, you can turn out of your parking area and pack down whatever snow has accumulated and drive on. When the plow comes though the alley, it angles it’s blade to one side and drives from one end of the alley down the full length to the other end and creates a ice boulder snow bank about 3-5 feet wide on one side of the alley. The alley becomes so narrow I can’t usually pull out of my parking spot without a multi point turn. Last year near the END of the winter, they finally came in with some dump trucks and loaders and cleaned up this mess they created (again a taxpayer waste, because they shouldn’t have created the mess in the first place.

Early on in the winter we phoned the City to make a complaint about this. They put us through to the voicemail of the foreman of the crew that was responsible for our area of town, telling us that he would get back to us. We voiced our complaint on the message, but we did not even get a call back and the snow clearing just continued as before.

To make a further point about this waste of money, the alley was plowed earlier THIS WEEK!

I’m sorry, but I must have missed the blizzard?

Nice to see there might be a new airline servicing Prince George. Hope their business plan holds water.

http://www.theprovince.com/travel/cost+airline+called+Jetlines+begin+next+year+Vancouver/9223890/story.html

“If you want to be a Millionaire, start with a billion dollars and launch a new airline. ” – Richard Branson

Mayor and council… please give us an early Christmas present and actually start listening to the citizens of PG.

You keep raising the level of snow till the plows hit the roads. Is there some sort of safety factor to worry about.. Do you care that you are putting PG residents in harms way when you cut on safety ?

If you decide to charge me for rain water coming off my roof into the storm sewers please show me how much is actaully making it to the sewers.. my weeping tile works fine.. If you decide to charge me for it I will start charging you for piling snow on my yard.. which is loaded with sand which I must remove. I will also charge you every time I have to clear the sewer drain that plugs up often. You will not like the bill I can guarentee you that..

Big D ..yes they think they are above and beyond the laws….of this land …Nelson is smart Kicked em out they did …I would do the same in a heart beat if given the chance..and they would have stayed in that building they are in for next 20yrs…

P Val said
You keep raising the level of snow till the plows hit the roads. YET

This morning two city graders and a loader spent most of the morning scraping the pavement in the Birchwood subdivision!

Better to pay the city operators to play cards rather than waste a bunch of fuel and wear and tear on the equipment.

The best maintained roads will always be the ones that members of Council live on.

If the city would quit allowing new subdivisions and more streets while the population stays stagnate we might be able to maintain a proper snow clearing budget.

“Our” garbage containers are city property. Yet I have to store them on my property. Maybe we should ask for a rental fee from city hall.

“I ask again what is the worlds proper mean temperature and what is the correct level of C02 considering he world did quite fine when it was many times higher.”

What a stupid question. The earth is something like 4.6 billion years old unless one believes in a literal interpretation of the bible.

Anatomically modern humans have been around for about 200,000 years.

That is only about 0.0043% of the time. Any reasonable person would know that earth, as a planet, has survived and can continue to survive under much less stringent conditions than humans can.

With minor changes, wed know that humans migrated to different parts of the planet. in addition, during those times, the number of humans on earth was miniscule to the number we have now. I we had similar climate changes as those which humans have survived in the past, they would impact a much larger number of earth’s inhabitants with considerable consequences to our socio-economic well being.

Time to get skeptical about climate skepticism, eh seamutt.

Seamut: “So Pg you saying it is Davies fault?”

No. It is just a historical reference.

But, if you want to blame something on somebody, it’s all up to you.

“we might be able to maintain a proper snow clearing budget”

The first hurdle we have to overcome is understanding what “proper snow clearing” in a Winter City is.

First steps first.

Create a standard based on need to satisfy every day transportation/movement requirements in the city for vehicles and pedestrians. THEN set up an operation which will satisfy that need within 24 to 48 hours not “whenever we get a round tuit”.

Then figure out how much that will cost for an average year taken over 10 years, let us say. Then set up a fund that gets replenished on an annual basis.

Now comes the interesting part. Since different parts of the city gets different amounts of snow, such as the Hart, we implement the neo-con user pay system and charge landowners based on he amount of snowfall in the different sectors of the City. I am sure Stolz will love that part!! ;-)

Gus the warmers keep talking temperature rise and c02 rise so rise in relation to what? What is so stupid about that considering how this scam is affecting world economies. So with your expert use of the internet maybe you can find what those figures are.

Wow, couldn’t you have waited until colder winter weather to bring up your denier banter seamut? Bringing up the subject you are trying to disprove during balmy, un-winter like weather kind of defeats your purpose. Plus 3 degrees yesterday, plus 2 degrees today. And when these mild temperatures show up in December, January and February as well, that’s not because of a warming climate?

It is actually not only CO2 levels in ppm … which I think are around 400 which is the highest since before the advent of modern humas around 200,000 yearsago, but it is also the sun activity which is higher these days than it was the last time the 400ppm CO2 existed.

Try this on for starters.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/CO2-has-been-higher-in-the-past.html

The most recent period when CO2 levels were as high as today was around 15 million years ago, during the Middle Miocene. CO2 levels were at about 400 ppm. What was the climate like at the time? Global temperatures were 5 to 10 degrees Fahrenheit higher than they are today. Sea level was approximately 75 to 120 feet higher. There was no permanent sea ice cap in the Arctic and very little ice on Antarctica and Greenland. The close coupling between CO2 and climate led the author to conclude that “geological observations that we now have for the last 20 million years lend strong support to the idea that carbon dioxide is an important agent for driving climate change throughout Earth’s history.”

So, there is, in my mind, no denying that. The question of how much humans are influencing the change in CO2 levels is an open one fro me at the moment.

The question of whether we are in a warming cycle as measured in 100 or so year averages is also an open one to me.

The question of whether global warming or cooling influences climate, ocean levels, ice caps, etc, is not too open at all. I think the science on that is quite clear.

So, I do not care whether it is cause in part or primarily by us. The question for me is how will the climate likely change and how will it affect our socio-economic state in the various locations on this earth.

Of course we can always just go on our merry way and think que sera sera …. ;-)

The weatherman keeps promising colder weather for the past week.

I am sure one of these days he will get it right.

Percy Saltzman had it easy. There was no global warming when he was Canada’s weatherman.

Full street lighting would be nice up the Hart Highway. Over the years I have barely seen pedestrians, joggers. cyclists, skate boarders, one unicyclist, and more than one motorized wheelchair operator due to the dark clothes they were wearing. That is why I drive in the inside lane at night doing the speed limit on that highway. Yes I see the signs that encourage slower traffic to stay to the right but that is where these dark clad idiots usually travel so I ignore those signs. And I suspect those signs don’t apply if you are doing the speed limit? Yes or no?

Pylot: “I totally agree. Think about this before you click “purchase”. Does Amazon support your community? Does NewEgg sponsor a local peewee hockey team?”

Maybe not, but I cannot support retailers who feel that I ‘owe’ them business because they are local. When I can get something delivered to my door for half of what I pay locally, sorry local business.

I see by the news that the Canadian government has sold Gordo’s mansion in London for big bucks. I sure hope that this doesn’t mean that we are going to get him back.

I see gas jumped to 127.9 today.

I noticed that too, axman.

Gus, people you two have never answered my questions or refuted my posting. You guys just keep regurgitating the old.

Like I said show me the science where man’s contribution of less than 3% of c02 affects climate.

Oh there have been ice ages during hi c02 and interglaticials with low c02.

People we are having weather, I suggest you broaden your world globally, hint cooling trend. No warming for 17 years and the grant seekers are panicking and are starting to look for the next destroyer of mother earth.
Fear makes money.

Gus ever hear of the medieval and Roman warm periods? How about the LIA.

Seamutt or seamutt … the same olde same olde…..

We disagree …. the sun will appear on the south eastern horizon in the morning to give us daylight again.

There are more important matters to debate that have consequences in the near future rather than the future of my kids and grandkids.

And the last word goes to…..

“I see gas jumped to 127.9 today.”

Where?

Costco and Superstore are still at $1.129.

Oil has gone down in price.

Guess the other stations decided to give up.

Finally there might be lineups at Costco and superstore again as it should be … can’t have the whole city go that low

;-)