So I’m wondering, how will B.C. actually benefit from this, I know there will be some job creation for a little while and if they do use the people of B.C. And the natives will obviously get super rich but what benefits the average person of B.C.?

Besides the environmental disaster that will no doubt happen all the people of BC can expect are higher prices for gasoline and oil derived products.

rather have the pipeline than the other means. the product WILL get to the far east, no disputing that. i mean the train traffic is up now with the evil product(lol). i mean really, with more and longer trains run by CN, what could possibly go wrong?
rather a pipeline than two mile trains running through town every five minutes.
when hilarity ensues with a train wreck and assorted vile occurances, i wonder how many opposers of the pipeline will be looking back with 20 20 hindsight. would rather have the very small risk of pipeline rupture, than another quebec like disaster in a small b.c. town or city.

Well according to the Enbridge followers the pipeline will keep BC from going broke, save our social programs and keep fuel in our cars!

Well according to the Enbridge followers the pipeline will keep BC from going broke, save our social programs and keep fuel in our cars!

Oops double post!

Higher prices for ALL products, Resident. Not just oil and gas derived ones.

That’s the real detriment to British Columbians that everyone seems to be missing.

The rise in the price of consumables sold here will lead, as it always quite naturally does, to an across the board demand for increases in wages. To ‘catch up’, as the saying goes.

When wages rise so will the costs of all the products they form a part of. If they’re products destined for export, we’ll then be told we’re pricing ourselves out of those markets. And we’re going to lose them unless there is ‘more productivity’. Which translates not only as more product output for less labor (and labor cost) input, but still even MORE again product output. For the machine that replaces the human who did the same job before still have to be paid for. And while the unit cost of the product may have fallen through making still more of it, there’s now more of it that needs to be sold, for no matter how we are able to glut the market, the lower limit of price is still always cost.

The more labor content there is in any of those products, as in the kind of ‘value added’ manufacturing many seem to feel we should be undertaking here to a much greater extent, the greater the problem finding a market abroad that can afford our products will be when inflation forces up costs and prices.

“Our” governments would much rather we never discuss this problem. That we expend all our energies arguing about ’employment’ vs. ‘environment’. Because they already know how that argument is going to play out. While we’re so diverted, and begin the argument anew with Site C, or whatever else comes next, the inflation this and other accompanying mega projects will engender will stealthily (at first), and finally more openly, pick our pockets as the purchasing power of each dollar we earn continually declines in terms of what it will buy. It’s not a problem that couldn’t be solved, but it NEVER will be until we start to understand it and demand that it be addressed. Til then we’ll busy ourselves working our way into a financial poverty here in the land of physical plenty.

So sociable just what is your solution?

Resident we already have higher energy costs thanks to IPP contracts, false carbon tax, heavily subsidized so called green energy.

Wonder if this coalition will revert to terrorism? Wonder how many are already on a list? My self I will be stocking up on popcorn.

Sociable ever heard of George Soros?

@Buzzinga. NoWay has it right. These kinds of projects benefit the economy, which in turn fuels social programs, hospitals, education, and the standard of living many take for granted.

So JB, nice talking point about; “these kinds of projects benefiting the economy, which in turn fuels social programs, hospitals, education, and the standard of living many take for granted”.

The Kinder-Morgan pipeline has been operating in it’s current limited capacity for almost 50 years, could you show us how this pipeline has done what you claim projects like this would do?

Please provide examples of how the Kinder Morgan pipeline has benefited the communities of Kamloops, Abbotsford, Sumas, Burnaby, and many others, it runs under of near over the last 50 years!

Yeah, just as most of us thought; nada, zip, zilch, nothing, … nice try oil industry shrill.

Even if this project could benefit the economy, even make some of us wealthy, what are we willing to sacrifice in return? An oil spill on coastal waters will decimate food harvests for decades, effectively wiping out a central component of coastal First Nations culture. Canadian mining companies are renown for their barbaric treatment of indigenous cultures in other countries, and that’s horrific enough. The real potential for cultural genocide on our own soil–for profit–is revolting.

if you have a farm you want to get your products to market. b. c. has the products so why not get them to the markets, whether it be oil, gas, wood, wheat etc.
I don’t believe these protesters are speaking for the four and a half million people in the province.
the government needs revenue coming in
to run the place.people are not long shouting when taxes are increased for the social programmes that we all like.

So we can sacrifice a whole culture? That sounds OK by you, so long as you get what you need?

Yes, seamutt, I’ve heard of George Soros.

One possible solution to the problem would be for BC to levy an export tax on every litre of oil that goes through that pipeline. Only instead of the government taking that for general revenue, apply it towards a rebate on the price of all motor fuels and heating oil sold to BC consumers. This would go some ways towards offsetting the rise in prices we are certain to get from this project’s construction.

There are more comprehensive solutions, but they involve changes in the way governments currently do their books. They could most easily be applied at the Federal level, since no province is completely constitutionally sovereign in areas concerning ‘credit’, to which they would apply.

“Yeah, just as most of us thought; nada, zip, zilch, nothing, … nice try oil industry shrill.”

The truth is sometimes hard to hear. And name calling from you? Who would’ve expected! ;-)

People: “Please provide examples of how the Kinder Morgan pipeline has benefited the communities of Kamloops, Abbotsford, Sumas, Burnaby, and many others, it runs under of near over the last 50 years!”

Do they not have schools, roads, and hospitals? I had no idea!

Well don’t our taxes pay for that

People#1 says “Yeah, just as most of us thought; nada, zip, zilch, nothing, … nice try oil industry shrill.” Yes very mature but he/she has never been much on facts.

if these spendthrift liberals hadn’t got us into this financial mess maybe just maybe they would rethink these projects thru before giving a green light.if this project goes ahead I hope that they aren’t giving it away and have about 5 billion for cleanup disaster fund and besides we will make it all on lng projects and be debt free in 2015 according tomisty christy

BUILD THE PIPELINE.

buzzinga: “Well don’t our taxes pay for that “

How old are you exactly? So much to learn.

“Do they not have schools, roads, and hospitals? I had no idea!” Ya, like without oil exports through our province we wouldn’t have those. Someone else has so much to learn, as well.

I wonder how much the taxpayer paid for the B.S. JRP to recommend this project when 75% of B.C. does not want it. This project does not have any thing to do with us driving cars or using plastic as some people seem to believe. We will do just fine without selling all our resources to China.

The idea of the pipeline is to put some stuff in it at one end and to take the stuff out at the other end, in Kitimat and load it directly (after removing the condensate) on super tankers. Not a single drop will be for use by the people of British Columbia!

It will not affect the above mentioned items which we built with our taxes BEFORE this pipeline thing ever was thought of.

It will employ a couple of hundred workers after its construction is finished.

That’s all. The future of British Columbia is not in jeopardy if it does not materialize.

This is a general observation and is not designed to elicit abrasive and aggressive responses.

Have a wonderful week!

Muppets news flash JB! The schools and social programs will still be funded and BC won’t go broke if the pipeline isn’t built. Cars won’t run out of fuel and people will still have and find good jobs. BC doesn’t need this pipeline Alberta does.

1.3 billion over 30 years WTF is that?

Hey seamutt, what does seamut have to say about all of this?

Can we have a seamuttt ….. please.

seamut, seamutt, seamuttt …. what’s in a name, eh? ;-)