How about that, a whole story on business owners and employers, yet barely a word about the laid-off workers, and now unemployed loggers.

Figures!

Some of the contractors will be transferred to West Fraser who took over the forest tenure.

We have had numerous whole stories about the laid off and otherwise affected workers. We’ve read about programs to assist laid off workers. We’ve read about severance packages. We’ve read about Unions efforts to assist laid off workers.

So now we have a story about business owners and employers. The story seems to one of hope and optimism and even so, , even mentioning a sold out job fair of almost 50 employers.

In spite of the efforts to “move along with a positive attitude” some People#1 feel the need to come up with a negative view of the world.

I wonder if some People#1 have ever had a job and I wonder if some People#1 have any idea that it is business owners and employers that provide jobs to employees??

I doubt People#1 realises there’s somewhat of a quantitative difference between losing a job and losing a business. One day he may get out into the real world, and find out what he won’t learn in school.

The mood of the consumer will ALWAYS dictate the prosperity, or lack of prosperity, of business and commerce.

200 laid-off workers and many more in the log harvesting area will impact business, but those lay-offs will first affect the workers where they live, in house mortgages that they can no longer afford, in vehicle payments they can no longer make.

I want to hear those stories about “people” because it is their lack of income that will slow business down, and eventually when they move away to find work, reduce the population of Quesnel thereby reducing the number of customers for these businesses.

Business, will always be secondary, end of story!!! Where is business without customers??? Might want to brush up on demand and supply economics.

Peeps, you go on and on and on about “people”! You’re like a broken record!

This story is about a community and the business people within it, people that are working together, putting forth their time and energy in a positive way for the benefit of themselves, their businesses and the community that they live and work in. Only you could turn it into something negative.

Did it ever occur to you that ultimately all “Business” is owned by People, sometimes one person, sometimes several and sometimes many many many people as shareholders! Of course not, after all you hate “Business”!!

“Might want to brush up on demand and supply economics”? This from someone who lives in a bubble and who’s only link to the outside world is his two or three computers.

If you ever finish being the university student that you have suggested that you are, and if you ever move out of your mother’s basement where you have stated that you live, I feel very very sorry for the poor business owner that hires you and I feel even more sorry for the coworkers that get stuck working with you. However, I’m sure that their pain will be short-lived as I envision you being shown the door rather quickly

“Corporations are not people. People have hearts, they have kids, they get jobs, they get sick, they cry, they dance. They live, they love and they die. And that matters. That matters because we don’t run this country for corporations, we run it for people.” ~ Elizabeth Warren

…..and yet another cut and paste quote from Peeps!

Corporations are not people? Well, I personally know many Business owners. The vast majority of these business owners are wonderful people, husbands and wives, parents, people that have worked very hard and have been successful. They own their businesses, 100% of the “Corporations” shares!

They create employment. They take care of their employees. They contribute to their communities. They contribute to charities. They help their neighbours and their friends. They pay taxes. At the end of the day, they also hope to make a profit.

Peeps, I know an awful lot of these types of people, my parents included!

I suggest that you take your attitude and go share it with the Corporations that you deal with on a daily basis. Perhaps with the person who owns the barber shop where you get your hair cut, perhaps with your Doctor or Dentist who is probably incorporated, perhaps with the owner of your favorite coffee shop or restaurant, maybe with the owner of the shop where you have your vehicle serviced.

Oh wait a minute, you live in a bubble, right? So, you never ever have to deal with the People who own the corporations that provide services to you each and every day!!

If you have any “original” thoughts in your head, please share them with us.

People#1 had better get used to tolerating corporations because with the eduction or lack of.. He or she has is only good for taking orders at a drive through…double double please!!

http://www.greenparty.org.uk/news/capitalism-should-exist-for-the-good-of-the-people-not-the-other-way-around.html

A ‘corporation’ is simply a legal entity created to perform some function. One that is governed by its Memorandum and Articles of Association.

Though there are now allowed single person incorporations, the original concept involved the association of two or more *people*, generally in a manner that limited *personal* liability to the amount of their original investment.

There is no inherent ‘evil’ in this, People#1.

Without that kind of corporate structure many of the things *people* have come to depend on in our modern world would be extremely difficult, perhaps even impossible in some instances, to produce and deliver to them.

Corporations, like banking and insurance, allow for the greater pooling and sharing of financial risk. Beyond which could, or would, ever be possible or practical in an unincorporated business structure due to a varying array of factors. The death of a proprietor or partner being only one of them.

The simple fact is, there are real *people* involved in the ownership and management of every corporation. And ‘limited liability’ is often far from being the absolute protection against further personal loss for either group, and particularly nowadays the latter, you and Elizabeth Warren seem to think it is.

You’ll find that out if you ever get to own or manage a corporation. If it’s a closely held small, or even medium sized incorporated business, just try to get a bank loan in your business’s name without also having to give a ‘personal’ guarantee to your friendly banker.

If it’s a large business, with multiple shareholders, corporate ‘limited liability’ does not afford ‘personal protection’ to the *person* or *people* that manage that business when it comes to their dealings with a whole host of government agencies. From Revenue Canada, through WorksafeBC, right down to the Ministry of the Environment. All can, and do, look beyond the corporate name to the *people* involved in running afoul of any of their edicts.

Peeps, I asked for an ORIGINAL thought FROM you, not yet another cut and pasted post or copied link!

socredible, thanks for your excellent post high lighting the “Facts” and “Truths” for Peeps! He’s probably busy googling more articles from the Huffington Post or the Tyee in order to respond!!

Corporations exist for one driving primary reason alone socredible; to maximize the investment returns of it’s principle owners and investors, in other words they are all about making money.

Might want to watch “The Corporation” and brush up a bit on your understanding of them.

This is an 7 minute introduction / overview of the 3 hour documentary that has won over 25 awards. While it only currently has over a million views, that number will only increase. You really should watch the full 3 hour documentary, I found it so educational and eye opening.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pin8fbdGV9Y#t=11

People#1, your link to the UK Green Party simply shows how little the Greens know about business.

Their public spirited supporters, like many of them here, and also those who put their faith and good intentions for the betterment of mankind in the NDP, are really being duped by those at the top.

In the case of the UK Greens, the scion and heir of the founder of one of the worst corporate polluters in England for decades, Imperial Chemical Industries, is high up in the Green hierarchy.

And you can rest assured it’s not because he has any ‘pangs of conscience’ over the way his forebears gained their wealth!

More like, “I’ve got mine, Jack, I’m okay. And I’m going to make sure I stay that way.” For what good does it do such people to be ‘rich’ if it doesn’t entail having power over the ‘poor’? Who have to stay that way. It’s not just about the ‘money’! That’s only a ‘means’ to a greater ‘end’ with them. But I digress.

‘Capitalism’ is simply a way of fixing prices relative to costs. If we had a return to the more strident policies of the NDP, where they once actually thought that ‘socialism’ (government ownership of the means of production) was the answer to everything, or at least preventing in their minds what they saw as ‘corporate greed’, we would merely have monopoly State capitalism instead of the (still, somewhat) de-centralised private variety we have now.

And the overall problem with it would remain unsolved. For in each instance, while capitalism itself is quite capable of establishing ‘prices’ relative to costs more efficiently than any other system yet known to man, regardless of who ‘owns’ the means of production, its singular failure is in the fact it currently has no means of distributing incomes from any other source than employment. Incomes that are increasingly collectively insufficient to BUY all that production at the costs of its making, let alone return anything like an adequate profit to the maker.

I’ve watched “The Corporation”, People#1. I suffered through the whole program, unfortunately, and was greatly unimpressed by it.

As for making a ‘profit’, does anyone ever consciously do anything that is not, in some way, profitable to him? Think about it.

Corporations exist PRIMARILY to produce, provide, or deliver some good or service to the general public, or to some other entity that does.

You won’t find a one, anywhere, that states in its Memorandum and Articles of Association that it has been formed for any other purpose.

‘Profit’ flows from its ability to successfully perform the function it was incorporated to do. IF it’s actually able to do that.

Socredible states; “we would merely have monopoly State capitalism instead of the (still, somewhat) de-centralised (sic) private variety we have now.”

Decentralized??? Socredible you do know that a dominate core of 147 firms own and arte linked to 40% of the 37 million companies listed world wide?! You do know that a total of 737 corporations own, are linked, to 80% the 37 million companies listed world wide?!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bruceupbin/2011/10/22/the-147-companies-that-control-everything/

Oh my goodness, I used Forbes Magazine as a source and not the Huff or the Tyee, will wonders never cease?

Not so socredible, you definition of a corporation, and more importantly “it’s” purpose is not consistent with expert sources.

Investopedia explains ‘Corporation’

A corporation is created (incorporated) by a group of shareholders who have ownership of the corporation, represented by their holding of common stock. Shareholders elect a board of directors (generally receiving one vote per share) who appoint and oversee management of the corporation.”

Although a corporation does not necessarily have to be for profit, “the vast MAJORITY of corporations are setup with the goal of providing a RETURN for its shareholders.” When you purchase stock you are becoming part owner in a corporation.”

So what would that “RETURN” be? Yup money!!!

Keep hammering peeps with logic guys/gals. His/her attempts at rebuttal are baffling and entertaining.

Well, I took Peeps advise last night and I watched “The Corporation”. I must say that I was shocked. Now just like Peeps, I hate corporations! After all, Michael Moore, the multi-millionaire Michael Moore says that I should!!

So I would like to do my part to support only those corporations that are both ethical and moral in their operations. But there are so many corporations that play a part in supporting my current quality of life and standard of living and I’m not sure which, if are ethical and moral!

Peeps, I need you help! I know that you hate corporations, so please tell me which ones are ok to do business with. I know that you live in a bubble in your mother’s basement, but please, please tell me:

What corporation provides you with your internet service?

What brand of computer(s) do you use?

What corporations provide your electricity and home heating?

What brand of dish soap, hand soap and shampoo do you use?

I know that your mom probably does your laundry so you might not know, but what brand of soap and fabric softener do you use? What is the brand of both the washer and dryer?

Who makes your kitchen appliances, your tv, stereo, and your vacuum cleaner?

I now hate BIG OIL, so what brand of gas should I buy for my vehicles and speaking of vehicles, what should I buy?

I could go on and on and I would like to, but nature calls so I must go. By the way, what brand of toilet paper do you use? I want to make sure that I am buying mine from a moral and ethical company, just like you do!!

I can’t believe how much of what I have, use and buy is produced by corporations, undoubtedly nasty nasty corporations. Help me Peeps, help me!

People#1, you will note that I said “…(still, somewhat) de-centralised” in my explanation of ‘capitalism’. This is an argument for keeping it ‘de-centralised’, not further concentrating it into any kind of monopoly, and especially not one owned by the State.

Which would then have absolute economic power over you, and you would have no recourse whatsoever in opposing it. If you doubt what I’m telling you, just ask yourself how ‘Unions’ have fared in the countries where this has happened.

Your problem is that you see larger ‘dollar figure’ corporate profits as the epitome of greed as corporate concentration continues apace. In reality, corporate profits taken as a per- centage of sales are often FALLING more than they are rising. And corporate concentration wasn’t a matter of satiating greater corporate greed, but as an attempt at survival. Generally one that only buys time. For awhile.

You need to put the economic textbooks aside for awhile, Peeps. Not that the information in them has no value whatsoever, for it does, but it’s not the information upon which the real world actually operates. That information is in the purview of the Accountant, not the Economist. In fact the principal ‘economic’ value of most Economists is to provide convenient data on demand to back up some interest group’s pre-conceived political bias.

People#1:-“”….the vast MAJORITY of corporations are setup with the goal of providing a RETURN for its shareholders.” When you purchase stock you are becoming part owner in a corporation.”

“So what would that “RETURN” be? Yup money!!!”

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What good is ‘money’ if there’s nothing to buy with it, Peeps? Is a bag of gold in the desert wealth? Can it slake your thirst? Fill your empty guts? Shelter you from the sun that’s baking what’s left of your addled brains out?

There are three basic reasons why we ‘do’ anything economic, Peeps. But of the three only ONE can be the PRIMARY reason. The other two have to be secondary to it.

They are:-

1.to provide goods and services, actual things we all need and desire;

2. to provide employment; and,

3. to produce a financial return, a ‘profit’.

Which one do YOU want to be the PRIMARY reason we ‘do’ anything, Peeps?