Must pay for the new cop shop some how

So…..do they deduct the $109 from a jay walkers welfare cheque ?

don’t assume that every jay walker is on welfare… I see lots of people doing it… it has become pretty non-chalant to just venture out into traffic and I last time I checked I only had two eyes but are expected to watch for j-walkers, cyclists, dogs/cats and the odd pot-hole.

So if you refuse to pay for the j walking. are your shoes confiscated?

What about public intocication combined with public urination? whatsa fine for that? seriously. J walking. yup. thats whats got downtown down. Is there anyone who would actually willingly go downtown PG anytime, if they can go elsewhere?
And, why dont they FINE those dummies who loiter at the crossings, but have NO INTENTION OF CROSSING? oh, wait. fine the folks who fail to stop. right. got it. %$$#@%!!

What about public intocication combined with public urination? whatsa fine for that? seriously. J walking. yup. thats whats got downtown down. Is there anyone who would actually willingly go downtown PG anytime, if they can go elsewhere?
And, why dont they FINE those dummies who loiter at the crossings, but have NO INTENTION OF CROSSING? oh, wait. fine the folks who fail to stop. right. got it. %$$#@%!!

I would never assume every jay walker is on welfare raven10. My question is how do they collect the fines ? Is it like a PG parking ticket ? Discard in the G-file ?

take a breath blarg, youre going to hurt something lol. I dont see where they are saying that J walking has the downtown “down”. I see it as the RCMP are present to work on public drunkeness and if a few other people have to pay a fine for breaking the law while they are there, more power to them.

Have to love PG, highest tax and user fees but hey world class cop shop for 40 mill, welcome to PG…. no cabaret, no entertainment and your welcoming mat states we will tax you, ticket you, apply user fees to everything including your cat and dog if it rains ha more tax for the run off the list does on and on.

I dont REALLY care what they do with the toilet that is downtown PG.I avoid it mostly. WAY to MISS a POINT, interceptor.
and, oher than the DUST and smell of money, Im breathing just efen fine ‘lmfao’

Will gladly pay the 167.00 fine for not stopping. I stopped once for a lady by the Y and that action almost cost her her life. Buddy in the other lane didn’t have a clue as to why I stopped. It was so close he was inches from taking her out. Never stopping again.

I am not in any way, shape or form supporting or advocating for jay walking, but what bothers me about these tickets is that if you choose not to pay the ticket, ICBC will refuse to insure your vehicle or renew your Driver’s Licence. It seems like ICBC is constantly being used more and more to collect money for the government, instead of being an Insurance company.

If a person has neither a licenced motor vehicle or a Driver’s Licence, how is an unpaid fine collected?

ICBC is now being used to collect unpaid transit fines in Vancouver. Why is an Insurance Company being used to collect Transit’s fines? Seems more and more like Government, both Provincially and Municipally are using ICBC to do their dirty work!

NoWay…that exact same thing happened to me 2 days ago at Ospika and Davis. Car went by me and the pedestrian at about 80 kmph.

I guess they’ve cleaned up up the real crime and can now move on to easy revenue collecting. Good to see.

I get a charge out of pedestrians that cross multilane roads and never check what’s coming while crossing. Dead right.

I wonder what is going to happen when the 2015 games are here where are all the people who hang out down in those areas go :)

Not sure where the Police get the authority to issue a ticket for jay walking.

Section 180 of the Motor Vehicle Act states that a person crossing a highway in an area other than a crosswalk must yield to oncoming traffic.

Perhaps they are issuing tickets to people who do not yield.

The only City in BC that I am aware of who has the authority to issue jay walking tickets outside the rules of the MVA is the City of Vancouver because they have their own Charter. Other Cities like Prince George cannot issue bylaws that contravene the MVA.

So, in my opinion if you yield to oncoming traffic you are not breaking the law.

maybe start ticketing the people on 15th ave and central area. countless people run out into traffic on both sides of central cause theyre too lazy to walk a block to a crosswalk.

Palopu, your on to something. So if you Jay walk across Victoria Street in front of the cop shop. when it is safe to do so. your shouldn’t be getting fined

He spoke. That’s my interpretation of Section 180 of the MVA.

As most people are aware, we have been jay walking in Prince George for almost 100 years and it is only recently that they have been issuing tickets.

Hart Guy does have a very good point. Neither ICBC nor office of Motor Vehicle should be allowed to have that kind of authority outside of their own act.

ICBC nor MVA should not be administrating the duty of the Provincial Court system. Basically, it is misuse of authority by the Provincial Government, to deny the people to a fair and just process.

Sorry Ben, but just have to add one more thought to the last blog. Does this enfringe on my Charter of Rights as a Canadian, when I am being denied my drivers liscence because of a unrelated issue.

Calgary used to officers at all the major intersections downtown ticketing people who ran across during a do not walk signal during their enforcement blitzes.

Palopu read section 133 and 124, if there is a marked crosswalk or intersection in the vicinity you must use the crosswalk or intersection. 124 allows municipalities to create their own bylaws regarding crosswalks

Posted by: He spoke on April 4 2014 12:45 PM
Sorry Ben, but just have to add one more thought to the last blog. Does this enfringe on my Charter of Rights as a Canadian, when I am being denied my drivers liscence because of a unrelated issue.

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Driving is not a right.

Sometimes during the day some avenues downtown are so bereft of traffic you could shoot a cannon down them and hit nothing. Especially on weekends. Well, maybe a jaywalker. I rest my case.

Heyyy No offense.. What about the cops over on Brunswick who’s vehicle is parked on other side of street??? They always J walk to get to their vehicles.

Used to be that PG had no jay walking bylaws. I confirmed this with a cop friend years ago. I suspect this is still the case. Curious as to what the ticket says the infraction is for. Anyone seen a ticket yet?

When I was in high school on the island, the cops used to sit at the corner store and bust kids for walking against the light.

I remember reading years ago that J-Walking was not illegal in PG, this is all I could find on the City’s Bylaws;
Crossing at Traffic Signal
Where a pedestrian is instructed or permitted by a traffic control signal to enter or to
proceed across a roadway, he shall do so,
a) at an intersection, only in a marked or unmarked crosswalk; and
b) at a place other than an intersection, in the vicinity of which there is a marked
crosswalk, only in the crosswalk.
50. Crossing at Other Than a Crosswalk
When a pedestrian is crossing a highway at a point not in a crosswalk, he shall yield
the right of way to a vehicle.
Pretty vague & open to interpretation. I bet the RCMP are betting a person will pay the fine rather than going through the hassle of fighting this out in court.

What is a J-Walker? Is that someone who walks 2/3 of the way across the street, then turns back in a J formation?

;-)

This site sure knows how to post stories that ruffle feathers.

the good news is, just one more reason for police to tazer or shoot you to death if they feel like it. just ask Ian Bush, Greg Matters, or Robert Dzieanski.

What about nailing the people that don’t stop at stop signs. Just about got T-boned a Lehman and Cook Street yesterday. Everybody seems to be in a big hurry it seems.

Ah, yes Spring is in the air!! Must raise more funds, for that new edifice! Oh, by the by–when do the contractors leave, and they take residence? Parking is going to go downhill fast, in that neighborhood.

He spoke states:

“Sorry Ben, but just have to add one more thought to the last blog. Does this enfringe on my Charter of Rights as a Canadian, when I am being denied my drivers liscence because of a unrelated issue.”

This is exactly my point!

You will now be prevented from renewing vehicle insurance or your Driver’s Licence if you have outstanding fines issued by BC Transit. So, you fly to Vancouver for a weekend, hop on Skytrain without paying for a ticket, then get ticketed for this violation and you are now forced to pay your fine or else you won’t be able to renew your auto insurance or your Driver’s Licence! I’n not at all suggesting that you shouldn’t be punished for failing to pay for a ride on Skytrain, but what has this got to do with buying car insurance or obtaining a Driver’s Licence? You aren’t required to either have a Driver’s Licence or have auto insurance in order to ride Skytrain or transit, so how can they deny you the renewal of either for failing to pay a transit fine?

The same applies to jaywalking! If the Police want to issue a ticket for jay walking, then they can do the dirty work of collecting the fine, instead of just passing the responsibility along to ICBC.

If someone doesn’t drive and doesn’t own a vehicle and never intends to, how will ICBC force them to pay a jay walking ticket? Will they contact BC Hydro or BC Gas to have their service shut off? Or will they prevent you from buying a coffee at Tim’s? What’s next??

axman, Driving is not a right,

If you are denied the right to drive lawfully because of not buying a ticket to board the skytrain is enfringement of my rights.

Axman, I think you failed to follow the jist of the argument. The jist is, that the government is unlawfully using authority.

BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! — BLAM! the sound of some trigger happy cop busting caps in your a$$ for jaywalking DOWN town PG.

Myself and four friends were stopped by RCMP for j-walking after school. this was during the 50’s, snow plow had gone down the street and the snowbank was too high, we could not climb over it to get to the sidewalk. He took our names and addresses, showed up at homes the next evening with summons and we had to go to court.After a long lecture from Judge Carling re; walking on the street, we were fined 10 dollars.We girls were 12 years old.Found out later that there was no such law.

We all knew this was coming, They have 314 days to clean up the streets before the winter games just like they cleaned up the streets for the van olympics. Fine the people downtown who wont pay there tickets anyways. But i agree with noway, Im not stopping for jaywalkers downtown, Not in an area where our car doors need to be locked just to get through.

I really don’t understand this Jaywalking business, I mean, if I want to cross a road and it’s clear to do so then why not??

Like others have said, it’s just a cash cow and an easy target for the RCMP – go put resources into solving real crimes.

Are you kidding me, this April 4th, not April Fools. What most cities in Canada need are cops that are cops. You know the ones, well maybe we don’t anymore. The ones that go out and catch REAL criminals , controlling REAL crime. J-walkers,?,?, what a bloody joke, let’s bring on the winter games. You cops should be ashamed of The Uniform!

Stop for pedestrians? The RCMP should check out the intersection of Austin Road and Highway 97. Drivers have no desire to stop for pedestrians. It is a very dangerous intersection with no enforcement.
As for J-walkers….will the RCMP also be ticketing dog owners who have their dogs off leash. It is a very serious problem on PG trails and some residential areas.

Everyone, calm down. Remember the bike helmet law? How strongly is that enforced? Exactly.

Origin of the term[edit]

An anti-jaywalking poster created in 1937 as part of the United States WPA’s Federal Art Project.
According to recent research, the earliest use of the word jaywalker in print was in the Chicago Tribune in 1909. (The earliest citation in the Oxford English Dictionary is from 1917.) The term’s dissemination was due in part to a deliberate effort by promoters of automobiles, such as local auto clubs and dealers, to redefine streets as places where pedestrians do not belong.[2][3]

The word jaywalk is a compound word derived from the word jay, an inexperienced person, and walk.[4] No historical evidence supports an alternative folk etymology by which the word is traced to the letter “J” (characterizing the route a jaywalker might follow).

In towns in the American Midwest in the early 20th century, “jay” was a synonym for “rube,” a pejorative term for a rural resident, assumed by many urbanites to be stupid, slightly unintelligent, or perhaps simply naïve. Such a person did not know to keep out of the way of other pedestrians and speeding automobiles.[5] It may also have been coined from the existing American word Jayhawker, being a term for American guerilla fighters in Kansas in the 19th century.

Originally, the legal rule was that “all persons have an equal right in the highway, and that in exercising the right each shall take due care not to injure other users of the way.”[6] In time, however, streets became the province of motorized traffic, both practically and legally. Automobile interests in the USA took up the cause of labeling and scorning jaywalkers in the 1910s and early 1920s; a counter-campaign to name (and disapprove of) “jay drivers” failed.[7]

Hart: “So, you fly to Vancouver for a weekend, hop on Skytrain without paying for a ticket, then get ticketed for this violation and you are now forced to pay your fine or else you won’t be able to renew your auto insurance or your Driver’s Licence!”

Speaking of that, I saw a story on the news last night that there are about $6 Million worth of outstanding fines due to people not paying for the Skytrain.

JohnnyBelt, just to be perfectly clear, when I fly to Vancouver and hop on Skytrain, I DO pay for my ticket, haha!

My problem is with Skytrain using ICBC to collect Skytrain tickets!! Seems like everybody’s answer to collecting outstanding revenue is to let ICBC do it! Isn’t ICBC supposed to be an insurance company??

Posted by: He spoke on April 4 2014 3:41 PM
axman, Driving is not a right,

If you are denied the right to drive lawfully because of not buying a ticket to board the skytrain is enfringement of my rights.

Axman, I think you failed to follow the jist of the argument. The jist is, that the government is unlawfully using authority.

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Driving is not a right; the government can attach any stipulation to your license they wish.

Hart: “Isn’t ICBC supposed to be an insurance company??”

Partially. It also operates as another arm of the government, as I’m sure you know.

And for what it’s worth, I wasn’t suggesting you don’t pay for your Skytrain tickets. :-)

Don’t spend a nickel on travel costs, walk over to the drop in Centre behind the Days Inn and you can spend all day writing tickets and on the way back stop at Timmies.

Do I have to stop for a jaywalker on the bypass or can I barrel over him/her? I know people stopped for a dog crossing the road. They got rear ended and charged for obstruction. Please fill me in.

At yvr buy your sky train tickets at the 7/11, cheaper.

I actually went down town today and it was tough to navigate the potholes and the absolute mess of human beings that were wandering to and fro.

You go get ’em RCMP, they have no means to pay the fine, but good lord I who pay my many taxes and am a good upstanding citizen would have to pay up NOW!

Somethings wrong with this and something needs a change.

My utopia may be a bit draconian but the time is here.

Comment Posted by: Hart Guy on April 4 2014 6:44 PM
JohnnyBelt, just to be perfectly clear, when I fly to Vancouver and hop on Skytrain, I DO pay for my ticket, haha!

My problem is with Skytrain using ICBC to collect Skytrain tickets!! Seems like everybody’s answer to collecting outstanding revenue is to let ICBC do it! Isn’t ICBC supposed to be an insurance company??
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Either ICBC does it or armed collectors knocking on your door will. The govt WILL get their money no matter what it takes.

If you jump on sky train without a ticket you are stealing! plain and simple. Good for ICBC. You are a fool if you think you should be able to steal from transit or anyone period. Also, if a jaywalker crosses illegally such as those lowlifes down near finish line and Wendy’s I’m going to run them down! Most don’t even look at the oncoming cars like the drivers are doing something wrong. Most are deadbeats expecting entitlement anyways so they feel entitled to walking across and to heel with car drivers. Well! They will lose, that argument! Anyone who goes downtown prince George is either looking for a welfare cheque or Social services of some type! This town destroys the possibility of social nightlife and promotes police and corrections. Crime capital of Canada. What are the three most beautiful buildings in Prince George! 2 Police Stations and the jail!

western2, you missed the whole point, maybe join us later buddy:-(

The pan handlers, the layabouts that camp in the foyers of the bank to intimidate and scare bank customers and shake down PG citizens for change. Vancouvers undesireables were relocated to PG, theres methadone dispensaries, free lunches, enablers galore. If you dont mind your car being damaged/broken into, now you get some trigger happy cop chasing you down, maybe only write you a jay walking ticket, when you were really crossing the street to hopefully avoid some nasty unwashed downtown derelict. Honest, officer, I was only fleeing for my safety. That crack head was staring me down with his derelict comrades, and I only wanted to get to safety. that’s what.

Posted by: seamut on April 4 2014 8:26 PM
At yvr buy your sky train tickets at the 7/11, cheaper.

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That “new” line from the airport to downtown is a heck of a lot cheaper then a cab and I think it’s even quicker. Well worth the 9 buck in to town and the 4 bucks back.

“Heyyy No offense.. What about the cops over on Brunswick who’s vehicle is parked on other side of street??? They always J walk to get to their vehicles.”
Stillsmokin there would likely be cameras at all the police stations that would pick up on this so I imagine the offenders could be ticketed when presented with the video evidence and maybe they could pay the fine as a payroll deduction?

Taxinapothole, you really need to read ICBCs mandate. They are required by government to provide services such as registration and fine collection on behalf of the Provincial Government on top of providing insurance.

…and Hart Guy

A jaywalking article has as many comments as a Friday free for all…?