NORTHERN HEALTH WILL BE TAKING AN ACTIVE ROLE IN THE DEBATE…..translated. hold onto your hats. Big Government will be Championing this issue on YOUR DIME (tax dollars) CKPG TV, the CITIZEN FREE PRESS and the usual suspects will denegrate ANY and ALL objectors to FLUORIDATION, they WILL be RUDE/OBNOXIOUS, there will be NO “healthy debate” their breathless supporters will DENY any/all claims of health problems resulting from FLUORIDATION. their TROLLS called me a LIAR and said I am “fear mongering” when I say I have compromised thyroid function. They wouldnt have the GUTS to say such in person. I have the synthroid perscription to PROVE my claim problems started shortly after Kinsley re-booted the fluoridation adding mechanism.

The PILE on should be FAST and FURIOUS! they stoop to ANY low, namecalling, what ever, they are BULLIES. They champion anti BULLYING CAMPAIGNS in our schools, because they HATE the COMPETITION! the PHD’s will all beat usover the heads furiously with their status/power/positions business as usual. see it for WHAT IT TRULY IS! BULLYING! here we go.

My whole FAMILY opposes fluoridation. we want clean SAFE water from our taps. We desrve NO LESS. the pro-fluo camp has NO RIGHT to deny us CHOICE on this matter.
They care NOT for the vulnerable and disadvantaged. they care ONLY to DEFEND their PET CHEMICAL EXPERIMENT.

If I had that choice, it would be a NO vote for me!!!

Seems to me the only one ranting and name calling is you blarg.

Blarg is certainly entitled to his point of view as are others who are opposed to fluoridation, and should make their opinions shown at the referendum.

The other side of the coin is that those in favour of fluoridation are also entitled to their point of view,.

So what’s the solution?? We know if the vote goes in favor of fluoridating the water, people like Blarg will not be satisfied, and the debate will continue.

Maybe the Blarg’s will get lucky on this one and win the referendum. If they do, then the issue will die, because as I stated in another post, there is not a big interest level one way or the other in Prince George, on this issue. At best it could be described as a Yawner.

Winning referendums requires much more than posting on this site, or writing letters to local papers. It requires effort. So Blarg should start organizing now if he wants to win.

My mom has compromised thyroid function and a synthroid prescription and she has never used city water in her entire life…

I firmly believe that there is NO benefits to fluoridation at all. I believe the water should be natural and nothing added to it, because that is NOT natural then, is it.

You see, fluoride is a chemical. Why should be be putting any chemical in our bodies? We do not swallow toothpaste, so why with fluoride so why swallow water with it in. Makes really no sense.

Interceptor:
Has your mom ever been to a restaurant in town, the pool, worked in town? People think that they are immune from fluoride if they don’t use the city water, but fluoride is everywhere – processed foods and drinks, tea and white wine from California have very high levels. If you use more than a little dab of fluoridated toothpaste each time you brush, you are getting a high dose of pharmaceutical grade fluoride. This is not 1960 – access to fluoride is easy, getting away from it is more difficult especially when it is added to the water system.
It is disgusting that Northern Health will be spending dollars to promote this archaic practice instead of putting those dollars to good use – providing ACCESS to DENTAL CARE for the most vulnerable. Our children deserve appropriate dental care, not the cheap, toxic waste added to the water all in the name of “health care”

Hm, let’s see… listen to people like blarg or listen to the vast majority of research, scientists, and health professionals.

I think fear mongering is coming from the pro side as well. If we stop fluoridating the water there will be a cavity epidemic! Prove it Northern Health!

Remember we are a society whom used to thingk drinking and driving was okay. Remember the up roar when the idea of banning smoking in public was brought up. Bars will go broke and restaurants will shut down. Could you imagine flying to Vancouver now with people smoking on the plane?

There must be a clean water group in town that will counter Northern Healths propaganda! If my tax money is going to be used to promote the pro side I will gladly donate to the Clean Water side!

From the CBC: “Calgary children showing more dental problems after fluoride pulled from drinking water.”

http://www.cbc.ca/player/Embedded-Only/News/Canada/Calgary/ID/2385671775/

“Northern Health will be taking an active role in the political debate…”

This whole thing is getting more bizarre by the hour! This is NOT a political debate, dear NH! This is a debate (a debate happens when BOTH parties are listening!) about the latest science and how everyone in Health has a duty to keep up with it! It is however more profound than that!

Let me enlighten NH and all those who want to keep forcing a chemical (disguised as a medicine) down people’s throats without their explicit informed consent!

I will dare mention the words that NH and its most fervent supporter (JB) avoid mentioning ever: Medical ethics, freedom of choice, civil rights and coercion!

This is Canada! We should be ashamed that we are ok with denying people a choice as far as taking a medication goes – artificial water fluoridation is, in my opinion, a tactic that is disrespectful, dictatorial and the kind of method that should have become history with the passing of the well known dictatorships of the last century.

Justify to me why I must be forced fed with this chemical from the phosphate fertilizer industry against my expressed decision not to be treated with it!

Hey JohnnyBelt… is that antidotal or scientific evidence about Calgary. How about the article in the national post which compared Quebec which has low fluoridation like BC and Ontario that has the highest in Canada and found very little difference in cavities!!!!!

Read it and weep!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/flouridation-may-not-do-much-for-cavities/article4315206/

The idea that the Mayor, Council, and Administration in Prince George is involved in some sort of conspiracy to poison its citizens by fluoridating the water system is ludicrous.

These people have enough trouble just getting to work and trying to get through the day let alone being involved in a conspiracy.

There are legitimate arguments for both sides of this issue, however the fact that those opposed cannot come up with any evidence that people are being harmed by fluoride doesn’t help their case.

I use myself and others who have lived in Prince George all our lives, drank the water are now seniors, and are still in good health as an example .

If this fluoride is so bad, then why are we still here. Why are we not DEAD.

Again, PG, I remind you (and the other anti-fluoride people) that your beef isn’t with me, it’s with the majority of research and scientific evidence that contradicts your point of view.

I agree that it should not be a political issue, but unfortunately, it’s turned into that for some. Arguments based on emotion that want to dismiss the science, and turn into who can post the most or use the most CAPS.

The anti-fluoride movement is about who can yell the loudest, and silencing those who disagree with them.

To Palopu: yes, we may be in good health, but with arthritis ….that comes from fluoride you know. Fluoride has a lot to do with your bones, and joints.

you got it prince George…. I don’t want to be medicated and I should have a choice. this is Canada

JB and I agree! Alert the press!
He’s absolutely right on this one: there are hysterical arguments based on the notion we should have the right to refuse to drink water that has been adulterated with beneficial chemicals (otherwise know as just not drinking the water) or that water should be “natural” or that the government is out to get us by using fluoridation.
If you think water should be chemical-free, you will have to drink distilled water. Have you ever gone on the city’s website to see the naturally occurring chemical content? Might give you pause?
As for government plots, well . . .
Do you eat fresh vegetables from the grocery stores that come in a plastic clamshell “pre-washed”? They’re washed with a dilution of formaldehyde.

Reverse osmosis will remove a majority of the fluoride in your water. A system costs about $200. This system has been available for a long time. If you are worried about your health $200 is a very cheap investment. May want to look into one if the city keeps on with fluoridation.

I am not saying I am for fluoridation but if I was in blargs situation I would have researched this a long time ago and solved the problem for myself. It’s a lot easier than taking on the city or northern health.

JB, I dare you to declare here that you are firmly convinced that mass medication with any substance is not a form of dictatorial coercion, that it is medically legal and that it is ethical and moral.

Forget about the worn out posting of web links.

It is medically illegal to administer any substance or procedure to a patient without that patient’s individual informed consent!

The City of PG started water fluoridation after a vote of council in 1955. No referendum was required. When a referendum became a requirement the city asked for an exemption and it was given one in Victoria. So far, during all those decades not one single individual water consumer in the City has been asked to give an informed and explicit consent to this medical procedure of delivering a drug via the tap water.

Of course, those who do not value individual rights do not find anything wrong with that.

Too bad!

P Val 200.00 sounds cheap for a whole home system. I think they cost a little more than that! That is what you need to install so you don’t don’t absorb this treatment through your skin when you bath/shower.

The sheer lack of discrimination ability in the general population is concerning. Some people will simply believe anything they’re told without question, especially if it comes served with a heaping helping of government conspiracy and collusion.

The belief that the municipal governments and organizations like the World Health Organization, the Canadian Dental Association, the American Dental Association, the American Medical Association are in league with chemical companies to poison 100’s of millions of people, including their own families is asinine nonsense.

Fluorite is among the most abundant minerals on Earth. It is everywhere and in everything. It occurs naturally in the soil, fresh water, and the oceans. It’s in your food. One of the principles of toxicity is dosage. Everything is toxic to humans in high enough concentrations, even “pure water.” There are places in the world, particularly South-East Asia, where the natural occurrence of fluoride in water sources is too high and needs to be reduced as a public health measure. That is not the case here. We need to add it as protection against dental caries.

You can go ahead and vote to have it removed from the water supply. This won’t hurt a lot of people who have liberal access to top notch dental care. It will be punitive to the poor and people that don’t have access to dental care and prevention though. Think about what it’s like to live your life with rotten teeth, with limited access to dental care. Educate yourself on the issue before you decide.

How about adding chlorine to the water, it is a chemical, we all consume it. Should it be stopped to PG ? I didn’t get to vote for it ?

Good question, P Val!

Chlorination of water is a method to treat water, to make it safe. There are other methods, like ozone and ultra violet, used in Vancouver, for instance.

Fluoridation is NOT a method to treat water, it is not necessary. It is a method to treat patients with the idea to prevent a disease.

Voting for Chlorine is not a requirement mandated by the province.

Treating patients is a medical procedure, which requires diagnosis, determining a dosis, consent by the patient and regular follow-up by a licensed physician. None of the above is adhered to with tap water medication.

PG: “JB, I dare you to declare here that you are firmly convinced that mass medication with any substance is not a form of dictatorial coercion, that it is medically legal and that it is ethical and moral.

Forget about the worn out posting of web links. “

Again, you seem to want to make this issue about me, which it is not. Also, your idea of ‘morals and ethics’ are not the final word.

You have already indicated you’re not interested in the science, so I don’t post those links for you. I post them for people who want to do their own research.

I’ve said it many times…Don’t take my word for it, look at what the major scientific organizations have to say, then make your own judgement.

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Sine: “You can go ahead and vote to have it removed from the water supply. This won’t hurt a lot of people who have liberal access to top notch dental care. It will be punitive to the poor and people that don’t have access to dental care and prevention though. Think about what it’s like to live your life with rotten teeth, with limited access to dental care. Educate yourself on the issue before you decide. “

Bang on. I can’t add anything to this, well said.

It’s kind of funny all this worry about fluoridation when we live in the air shed we do, with the disgusting things husky is allowed to send into our breathing air along with the pulp mills etc. we should be up in arms over that, fluoridation is small potatoes compared to something we are constantly breathing every minute of every day.

isnt that cute. Apparently, I am a threat to some people. LOOK, what I said. The PRO FLUO crowd cant handle the truth. They completey, consistently AVOID the subject of freedom of choice.FORCED MASS MEDICATION without the informed consent.
BIG GOVERNMENT (Northern Health) CKPG TV/RADIO Free Press, a pack of profs PHD’s and dentists are all howling like wolves in favor of FLUO. and the pro-fluos say, “oh, it’s no big deal” “trust the professionals and experts on this one”
-wont see the forest for the trees. In an honest debate, BOTH SIDES are fairly represented. There is NO honest, open debate here. And look how mad the pro-fluo get if any person attempts to post a veiw that is merely different than their own.
HOW DARE I!! -pathetic. If you cant SEE the inbalance in this debate in PG, it is because you dont want to.

But, why add more things to our body. If we can take away the fluoridation than we are that much better. Maybe has to be one thing at a time.

blarg = mattyc?

nope. blarg not Mattyc. Blarg=blarg! Blarg like caps button! Blarg like freedom. Academics HATE blarg, and cringe when blarg YELL WITH CAPS BUTTON! B L A R G ! -emphasis added.

Blarg doesn’t like his opinions questioned, blarg needs to realize we all have opinions, blarg needs to realize writing in capitals makes most stop reading his opinions as using capitals turns it into a rant. Blarg may have some good points but blargs delivery needs work

Keep calm and blarg on :)

“The idea that the Mayor, Council, and Administration in Prince George is involved in some sort of conspiracy to poison its citizens by fluoridating the water system is ludicrous.” .. boing, right out of left field. How does wanting a choice transpire into people thinking this is a conspiracy in any way, shape for form? Only in your narrow mind, poopoo.

If people want fluoride in their water they should purchase it and an injection system of their own to be installed in their own homes.

A study conducted by UBC after Kamloops and Comox voted fluoridation out demonstrated that cavities actually declined! I have spent years studying all the evidence for and against water fluoridation. It is for topical application only (applied to the surface of the teeth via tooth paste and dental application) and to drink it does nothing except lead to various chronic health problems.

Appealing to people’s inborn sense of ethics and morals may make a difference when it comes to making a decision whether to allow us in Prince George to be like the 97% of BC residents who are already free from forced water fluoridation.

The people in Terrace are just beginning to stand up and ask questions. Williams Lake and Kitimat opted out – and many others.

Soon we too will be rid of this coercive method!

Cheers!

dear HUH. check out your dictionary. Nobody says there is a conspiracy. Fluoridation is real. City mayor and council -1 support it. They call the shots, and they have disallowed dissent right up until the referendum. Even then, they will advocate in favor of fluoridation. these things constitute reality, not conjecture. limiting debate, stacking the debate, and insulting dissenters does not a democracy make.
question my opinions, DO! try and do it respectfully. when you fail to do that, the gloves are off. narrow mind? not a compliment. could it be said that the pro fluo team is also EXTREMELY NARROW MINDED? why, yes. i could up the ante by stating that pro-fluo are completely BRAIN-WASHED and are actively engaged in disinformation, a propaganda blitz, and purosely refuse to get the point about FORCED mass medication, and the persons right to consent being denied. not polite, but how else to say? “gee, I sure object to fluoridation, but im gonna eat the crap that the pro-fluo advocates hurl, just to maintain some level of decorum that THEY do not possess themselves” I dont think so. If anything I post irks you, FANTASTIC. you are rude gorillas, and you need your cages rattled.

-Ghandi said, “it is an act of violence to force your will upon another person” the pro-fluoride crowd has certainly been forcing their will upon other persons.
“without the informed consent, fluoridation IS FORCED MASS MEDICATION” says it all, really.

“It’s kind of funny all this worry about fluoridation when we live in the air shed we do, with the disgusting things husky is allowed to send into our breathing air along with the pulp mills etc. we should be up in arms over that, fluoridation is small potatoes compared to something we are constantly breathing every minute of every day”

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I would agree completely.

Hey @blarg can you site two pier reviewed papers on the subject or are you going to continue to fear monger, spouting facts with out any real back up is propaganda at it’s worst. We do not living during Spanish inquisition times where you stand up on your box with out giving facts.

Sorry typing on phone was not a good idea with such tiny letters and not proof reading lol

I’m not going to take seriously the views on scientific topics of someone who thinks that a chemical can “masquerade” as medicine. Medicines are chemicals.

hey knowl. Im not a scientist. Im not a liar. Im not trying to force you to do anything. And there is no point posting links to any studies so you can pick them apart. The only studies you value are the ones that support your brainwashed opinion. fear monger! HA! the pro fluo’s bleat about the poor and disadvantaged being the most vulnerable! aaahhh, b-booo hooo hoo! this is CLASSIC fear mongering, but you BRAINWASHED types think it is being mr. nice guy, because its always something else when you defend your conceived-in-the-arse positions. “medicines are chemicals” what a revelation. very nice, flat-earther!
air sged NMG person, just to reel you back a bit, THE TOPIC HERE IS FLUORIDATION!! jeeese louise. and you guys say fluoride ingestion doesnt make you stoopid.
just more distractionsand diversions. serve your masters, pro fluo zombies.
way to soil your collective intellectual diapers AGAIN.

So @blarg thanks for making my point for me, that you have no idea what you ate talking about.I said you were a scientist, I asked for facts to support your argument, so that you could possibly change my mind. I’m open minded about scientific facts, not someone on the pulpit raiding his voice and telling me I’m dumb for believing people who have studied the situation.

For anybody that wants to inform themselves rather that listen to loud voices. http://www.jpands.org/vol10no2/kauffman.pdf

nice try knowl. Do your own research. “raising his voice” this is text on a blog. How, precisely have I raised my voice? OH. YOU MEAN “CAPITAL LETTERS! can you HEAR MY BETTER NOW? what a tool.
I didnt say YOU were dumb. I said that the pro fluo camp asserts that fluoride ingestion doess NOT make you STOOPID. I even spelled STOOPID wrong on purpose! hyuk! gawrsh, knowledge! you identify yourself clearly as pro fluo and VERY CLOSED MINDED. (brain washed)oh. im YELLING AGAIN IN CAPS! I cant make a point for you. I make my own. make your own point. If your too lazy or inept to seek the truth for yourself, you cant credit me with your personal unwavering committment to ignorance.

B I G , S C A R Y, T E R R I F Y I N G CAPITAL LETTERS! DOUBLE SPACED, no less!
B E A F R A I D! be VERY afraid. hyuk!

blarg isnt very nice at all. because blarg doesnt think that being force fed fluoride and being bullied by big government on how to think and how to choose is nice. Northern Health and CPG are poised to spend vast amounts of money defending fluoridation. They use PUBLIC MONEY supplied by TAX-PAYERS not to tell us how to think, or what to drink. Tax payers have NO CHOICE but to pay taxes. This is yet more blatant abuse of authority, power, and resources to engage in FORCING THEIR WILL UPON OTHERS. an ACT OF VIOLENCE, says Ghandi. I agree. I FEEL COMPLETELY ATTACKED AND MARGINALIZED. Hundreds of THOUSANDS of TAX DOLLARS, on ONLY one side of this debate. Unbalanced. UNFAIR. UNDEMOCRATIC. that is the status quo.

If what you say is true @blarg (if that is indeed your real name) then I should be riddled with disease and problems that come with putting fluoride in drinking water. This experiment as you call it, for the past 60+ years should off made us all blithering idiots by now, but it seems you are the only one not doing the research and are brainwashed by your own incompetence. Again knowledge is power, do some reading it might help with your problem comprehending on this subject. All the best with your tooth decay hope you’re covered by some big covert business out to get you. Go back to the Bush and live out your life and insanity.

Hey knowledgeispower, I posted a paper above. Post some literature you’d like others to read.

Fluoride will not keep all the teeth in your mouth without proper use of a toobrush and dental floss.Get rid of the fluoride and the money the city saves they can buy us all a toothbrush and a years supply of dental floss.If you put fluoridation to a vote I don’t think it will pass.

Here is a very good review, if you read the conclusion I think it says it all.
http://www.bmj.com/content/321/7265/855ere is a very good review

Just Google – What are the risks of Fluoride.Interesting.

Or, you could read the whole paper and find out that most fluoridation studies are poorly constructed, benefits of fluoridation are exaggerated and dental fluorosis is quite prevalent. Thanks for the link.

Hey @gearwrench did you read the conclusion at all our did you just cherry pick it says there is no direct link to fluoride in water that causes it because of the studies as well, and that there is no reason to think that fluoride in water will harm you. It looked at 240 studies remember, some of the studies agreed with you some don’t, if that is what you get out of it then you are not looking at all the evidence.

Last week we warned posters to limit their comments or face being cut from
posting.

You were told , if you can’t comply, the result is obvious.

blarg -not my real name- Search. Fluoride Cancer link, for starters. try, fluoride thyroid. search dental fluorosis. There is a heap of sites and youtube vids. there is docu-clips from 1965 and earlier, of noteworthy qualified scientists who employ acceped testing methods. Some of these gems have been unavailable until the advent of the internet and youtube.
thing is, with fluoride, healthy persons CAN have no apparent adverse effects from Fluoride ingestion. Babies, Children, people with compromised health, are the most likely to experience issues. Im not including links. use your own search engine, google, whatever. If you got here then you can get there. Is that what it is REALLY all about, knowledge? so long as YOu havent experienced any adverse effect, but “go to hell, anyone who is” THAT is your reasoned response? Heres a interesting thought. How much better off wouldd we ALL be without a steady dose of fluoride? May we live to find out. PS Meisner, what is the limit? I havent been warned. But I have been kicked out of better places! No love here for the likes of me! boo-hoo.

blarg -not my real name- Search. Fluoride Cancer link, for starters. try, fluoride thyroid. search dental fluorosis. There is a heap of sites and youtube vids. there is docu-clips from 1965 and earlier, of noteworthy qualified scientists who employ acceped testing methods. Some of these gems have been unavailable until the advent of the internet and youtube.
thing is, with fluoride, healthy persons CAN have no apparent adverse effects from Fluoride ingestion. Babies, Children, people with compromised health, are the most likely to experience issues. Im not including links. use your own search engine, google, whatever. If you got here then you can get there. Is that what it is REALLY all about, knowledge? so long as YOu havent experienced any adverse effect, but “go to hell, anyone who is” THAT is your reasoned response? Heres a interesting thought. How much better off wouldd we ALL be without a steady dose of fluoride? May we live to find out. PS Meisner, what is the limit? I havent been warned. But I have been kicked out of better places! No love here for the likes of me! boo-hoo.

blarg -not my real name- Search. Fluoride Cancer link, for starters. try, fluoride thyroid. search dental fluorosis. There is a heap of sites and youtube vids. there is docu-clips from 1965 and earlier, of noteworthy qualified scientists who employ acceped testing methods. Some of these gems have been unavailable until the advent of the internet and youtube.
thing is, with fluoride, healthy persons CAN have no apparent adverse effects from Fluoride ingestion. Babies, Children, people with compromised health, are the most likely to experience issues. Im not including links. use your own search engine, google, whatever. If you got here then you can get there. Is that what it is REALLY all about, knowledge? so long as YOu havent experienced any adverse effect, but “go to hell, anyone who is” THAT is your reasoned response? Heres a interesting thought. How much better off would we ALL be without a steady dose of fluoride? May we live to find out. PS Meisner, what is the limit? I havent been warned. But I have been kicked out of better places! No love here for the likes of me! boo-hoo. bye.

Hardly cherry picking. Those were the other three main points highlighted in the paper (literally in the pdf version).