Have a good weekend everybody. Hey, if you’re driving, maybe keep an eye open for people on motorcycles and bicycles eh?
The nice weather coming up will draw them out of the woodwork and onto the roads.
Thanks.
metalman.

I hope everyone has a safe and enjoyable weekend :)

Good morning. Yes, I saw the first motorcycle on the streets two or three days ago so there’s bound to more of them out soon.

Have a good safe weekend everyone.

I see several police vehicles with lights a’flashing downtown. Anybody know whats up?

Would be nice if some of the people who are considering running for Mayor would announce their intentions.

Hopefully we get some serious competition.

I hope its a J-walking flash mob with no id lol

Love living in the city but,

Getting tired of how much snow we still have on the ground and we are heading into the middle of April.

Don’t like the way the city wants to keep increasing taxes and services fee. They are strictly focusing on revenue and not on service.

love the city because,

The long timers are very resilient souls.

Summer time has a lot of fun activities with Lakes and campsites just around the corner.

the city economy is the steadiest of the region.

What was the conversation last week regarding Shoppers Wholesale Foods?

THANK YOU Prince George!
We moved from Vancouver Island to Prince George to be active over the winter months (cross country skiing, snowshoeing, ice fishing & sledding) and to enjoy the bright blue, sunny skies. We were tired of the gray skies and continuous winter rains from November to May. Over the past two years we have learned the following about Prince George:
•Otway is an amazing cross country skiing area where you can be night skiing after work!
•Hart Highlands Ski Hill (where every child can learn to ski and snowboard very young and be home in time for bed)
•The huge Greenway Trail System behind UNBC, and the many city trails around PG
•We love the little community outdoor skating rinks, where families can teach their children to skate.
•The big skating oval.
•Six indoor skating surfaces.
•You have one of the few surviving Drive-in Theatres in BC.
•Two beautiful community pools.
•Northern Sports Centre – Wow…what a place!
•YMCA Facility – Need I say more…
•Innumerable outdoor sports fields.
•Snow removal, clearing out the mouth of your driveway (unheard of on the Island, and the Maritimes).
•The easy garbage container pickup system here, it was a drag lugging garbage cans to the curb.
•UNBC & CNC – Your kids can go to College and University and still live at home.
•CN Centre – (rock concerts that you can drive home after in 15 minutes, instead of getting a hotel and taking a ferry)
•BIG Airport – Direct flights to Mexico!!! Woo hoo!
•Four Directions of Travel – Standing at the crossroads of 97 & 16 deciding which direction for our next road trip. North, South, East or West.
•There are tonnes of Lakes, Trails and Hiking to explore.
•Wildlife in town for the viewing – Moose, Moose, Moose & Bears, Coyotes – very cool!
•You are the Hub of the North – everyone else comes here to shop for groceries, cars, sports equipment and entertainment.
•Great passenger trains that will take you to the Coast or all the way across Canada.
•Amazing Live Theatre.
•Nechako and Fraser – Two Rivers that meet and provide lively summer entertainment.
•A STABLE economy…many diverse industries that allow for lots of employment and growth.
•Affordable housing, wow you can buy your first starter apartment here, most were only rented where we were from.

And best of all, you are a young community with lots of babies, families, students and a bright future in front of you.
PS…about the air quality…we climbed the 5th highest mountain peak on Vancouver Island on a clear, sunny summer day only to view the pulp mill plumes from Powell River, Campbell River, Port Alberni and Nanaimo. Keep up the good work PGAIR & PACHA, for bringing attention, accountability and improvement, so we can continue to enjoy all the great things that Prince George has to offer. Have a great day!

CuriousKat, you’re way ahead of the curve. Only took me 15 years to figure all the above out.

He spoke:- “Don’t like the way the city wants to keep increasing taxes and services fee. They are strictly focusing on revenue and not on service.”
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What do you expect when the ‘figures’ can’t properly REFLECT the ‘facts’?

Lets put it simply. If you had a store and your books said you have ten widgets in stock and you conduct a physical inventory and can only find three of them, what do you do?

It’ll probably cause you great concern where the other seven went, and you might make no little effort to find out, but the simple ‘fact’ is they’re gone.

Now do you continue to show ten widgets in stock on your books when you only have three, or do you adjust the ‘figures’ to reflect the actual physical reality?

Most store owners. I think, would adjust the figures. To do otherwise would be tantamount to having a fraudulent set of books, even if the only victim of that fraud was the store itself.

Now look at what happens in government. Not just the City, but all Cities, and Provinces, and the Federal government, too.

The first requirement of so-called ‘sound finance’ is that their budgets all be ‘balanced’. And to most people this seems like an entirely sensible proposition. So much so that their thinking about it generally stops right there.

They never, for instance, ask just what do these ‘figures’ that must be balanced in terms of revenues in versus expenditures out actually mean.

If they did they would recognise that they mean, and can only mean, one thing. That a balanced budget of a city, or a province, or a country, means that the particular jurisdiction is fully recovering in taxes in each fiscal period exactly the same amount as it spent in that same particular period; or, it you want to put it in physical terms, it is to FULLY ‘consume’ everything it ‘produces’ in one and the same time period, including ALL its ‘capital expenditure’, (money spent on all things which have a use for years into the future).

Now the next time any politician makes the statement that government is “…just like any other business, we can’t pay out more than we take in”, a perfectly sensible statement on the surface, why don’t we ask him or her that if this is so, then WHY don’t ‘governments’ do their books “…just like any other business?”

For if “any other business” tried to fully recover ALL their costs including all their ongoing ‘capital expenditures’ in exactly the SAME fiscal period they were incurred in, their prices would have to be so high no one could ever afford to buy their products.

They have books that REFLECT this salient FACT. Books that ‘capitalise’ and EXPENSE those expenditures over the expected physical lifespan of the assets they’ve acquired. And also show that there is a ‘capital appreciation’ to their overall assets from their USE, that takes the form of ‘profit’, if they’ve spent wisely on something that is of use, and generates that profit.

Governments, of course, don’t operate with the intention of ‘profitability’, (though we’d have to wonder sometimes about whether this is still so from some of the actions of this BC Liberal one, who seem to see ‘governemnt’ as something other than the ‘people’ it’s supposed to collectively represent and serve). But still in the final analysis every ‘business’ profit is NOT a surplus of revenue over expenditure, but an increase in ASSETS over LIABILITIES. And a properly organised set of books for government, set up along the lines of “every other business”, would show that far from the country sinking further and further into a financial poverty in the midst of an ever expanding physical plenty, our overall ASSETS are continuing to increase, and increase faster, than our overall LIABILITIES are ~ only we currently have no way of showing this not so little FACT.

The ‘fraud’ is one that’s being perpetuated, on us, as we pay ever more and get ever the less for it. And there’s no other way of correcting it, except to adjust the accounting that’s flawed.

Only comment I would change on my above post is we now have been here 6 years and love every minute of it.

Those who post from Abbotsford, Chilliwack who say it is wonderful compared to PG, Enjoy! The manure smell from the farms and Vancouver’s pollution that gets blown back in your area against the mountains from the west coast wind, make it toxic! Love those traffic accident’s on Highway 1 that always add 2 hours to your travel across the city!

Did I say, I love PG? PG rocks!!!

CuriousKat: Also if you live far enough up the Hart you and your family don’t need to breath the nasty Bowl air!

The best local example of public sector accounting not reflecting reality is probably Foothills BLVD.

The road was built by the Province and booked as a city asset. At the time a great gift. First class infrastructure.

But now that balance sheet asset has become an epic cash flow liability. Its dilapitated. The surface is an embarassment. The city spends a lot of money to keep it looking this good. And would anyone suggest this is good?

All these assets politicians build to buy votes turn to liabilities in a decade or two. When the politicians and policy makers are long gone.

Its a lot like being given a high end car you cant sell. First couple years are great but the first major service is devestating. All of a sudden your $100k car is a problem.

The unleashed dog problem in PG continues to worsen especially on the Heritage Trail from Exploration Place to the Cameron Street Bridge as well as at the Ferguson Lake Nature Reserve, which has now become an unleashed dog park. Along with this problem comes the numerous piles of dog manure that dog owners do not pick up.
For three years I have been reporting this problem to the City of PG and nothing has ever been done.

Curiuoskat hope IPG peaple read your post and use it.

CuriousKat, thank you for recognizing this great virtue of the city and region. I was born, raised, educated and own my own business in town. It is a great little place to make a living and life does not get too serious.

We have our challenges, but we find solutions. We are big/little town. We may be the biggest city in the region, but its not so big, that you can live in total anonymity, so we all have to be careful of what we say and do.

We still stop and help out a stranger who is in distress. We still support our kids fund raisers, our friends kids fundraisers.

It has been a good five decades for me, hopefully my tombstone one day will be in Prince George as well.

Born in BC, Really, your going to look at a gift horse and complain. I bet, I know who you vote for, NDP, always complaining on how a handout is not enough.

There was a pothole on our road the other day. It was pretty deep so someone put a pylon in it. First day, someone hit the pylon and shattered it all over the road. If you cant avoid a knee high fluorescent orange pylon what chance do you have of avoiding a pothole? I guarentee that person complains about the roads… perhaps people should learn how to drive a little and the roads will be more manageble for them?

I think the people who wants to run for city council should start showing their faces.

Gus for council!

CuriousKat, the area around prince George for outdoor activities is amazing. But the city? Not so much, unless you like watching blowing garbage in the spring and most of the summer and the smell of pulpmill with your cheerios in the morning. Is there still and pulpmill in Powell River? Thought they closed that years ago.

Agreed interceptor. The potholes can be bad, but there’s this thing called a steering wheel which you can use to avoid them. And no, you don’t have to swerve all over the road to avoid them, you just need to have the ability to look further than 5 feet in front of your bumper when you drive.

Honest Joe, every spring when the snow starts melting, all the crap starts appearing, and I’m not just talking about doggiee do-do. If it’s organic, don’t panic. By June things get back to normal, and people who realize that the things they leave behind aren’t going to be covered by a snowfall will be more diligent about picking up their pets leftovers.
What really burns me up are all the delinguents who think it is perfectly OK to throw out their candy wrappers and bags of MacDonalds/Tim Hortons/Starbucks garbage. Now that is a nuisance!

I meant delinquents.

The pulpmill smell is no where close to what it was, growing up. Since the 1990’s the mills have plowed in a lot of money into improving this, and thank you very much. Not only have they reduced the particulates into the air, they also reduced it into the rivers.

What wouldn’t surprise me is that one of the mills may shutdown in the next decade as our timber supply wanes.

We can complain about the potholes, but most of it does get filled by mid/late spring. its one of the curses of the city infractructure. Just slowdown a bit and you can do your vehicle a favor.

From what I’ve seen so far, the pothole problem is no where near as bad this year as in the past. I think we do have to give some credit to the city crews for the great work they did last year.

“The pulpmill smell is no where close to what it was” .. You’re right, now you can smell it way out in Salmon Valley. I don’t think I ever smelled it that far out of town before last year, at least on a semi regular basis as it is now. Ask anyone who lives out there (I don’t) if they smell it more often than they used to. It seems to move in pockets, you will smell it really bad in one area and 1/4 mile down the road you don’t smell it at all. But the pulp mill aside, you can’t deny that during prolonged windless days, either winter or summer, the bowl gets to the point that it affects even the healthiest peoples sinuses. I know, I work down there outside and I get headaches when the haze hangs in the air, you can’t say that doesn’t have an adverse affect on someones health if they have prolonged exposure to it, years, not months.

If you want to complain about something how about cigarette butts? When I see someone flick a butt out their window at a stop light I feel like getting out of my vehicle, picking it up and flicking it right back into that vehicle it was ejected from.

I keep forgetting to spell check the spell check.

Does Curious Cat work for IPG or the Tourist Bureau??

In any event I agree with a lot that is said, however some of the comments need clarification.

1. The Northern Sport Centre while nice, costs in excess of $300 per year to use.

2. The Drive in Theatre is OK if you want to stay up until 2 am to watch a movie.

3. Snow removed from driveways is not a perk. We pay to have this snow removed.

4. We may have a big airport with a direct flight to Mexico. 6 Months of the year, but that’s it Mexico, and no direct flights anywhere else except Vancouver and Calgary. Big does not mean better.

5. Cache Creek has four directions to travel, so has Kamloops, so what??

6. Our train service is three days per week, and going East you have a 12 hour lay over in Jasper. Not exactly stellar service.

Have a nice day.

“1. The Northern Sport Centre while nice, costs in excess of $300 per year to use.”

When I checked (about 30 seconds ago!) an adult is $604.20 per annum. It’s a nice place – if you like crowds! – but it’s not that nice.

The YMCA is $50 / month or $600 per year for a single person. Nothing’s cheap.

WHEN not if the “big one” happens in Vancouver and Victoria, all dem folks are gonna come here. Not in the Okanagan, not the Kootenays, but here. Miworth, Pineview are gonna boom and other outlying areas. Our cheap land is just waiting to be discovered. A million bucks in Vancouver for a house? Up here one can buy 6 or 8 of ’em. High-rise condos in the Bowl? Come on IPG. Run with that scenario, dream, plan, scheme, desire, and agenda. What’ve ya got to lose? And like D W. at city hall said, “Bring more people to Prince George and we will have lower taxes”.

Well I got to feeling all warm and fuzzy whilst reading curiouskats post on lovin’ PG then came a great dash of cold water from Palopu. Just curious here, what is the fourth direction of travel possible from Cache Creek? Straight up?
Have a good day.
metalman.

I think Palopu needs a hug.

Will they come up to Prince George if the lower mainland gets a shaker. I believe families will get the pooped scared out of them and they will move out of the valley.

How many, may be 2% of the population will look at PG…. that’s still 80,000 people.

Were in da money

Umm just north of Cache Creek metalman you can head to Lillooet, Pemberton and Whistler. You could also say 5 ways out of Cache Creek because just south of Cache creek you can go through Ashcroft to Merritt.

unfortunately, its still not Cache Creek. Its near Cache creek.

I guess there are a lot of people that love this gritty little mill town. and than there are others who should not be living here against their will. I wonder if these people will ever be happy where ever they move too.

Socredible wrote: “our overall ASSETS are continuing to increase, and increase faster, than our overall LIABILITIES are ~ only we currently have no way of showing this not so little FACT.”

It has been reported in exactly that way since the 2009 annual report for the City of Prince George.

The 2013 annual report is not out yet, so the total cost of the RCMP asset and liability acquisition has not been shown yet, but here are the figures.

year: asset: long term debt: debt/asset % : net financial debt.

2012$604,931,000$98,147,00016.22%$78,969,000
2011$576,107,000$109,022,00018.92%$85,762,000
2010$549,264,000$109,022,00019.85% $85,762,000
2009$538,619,000$116,102,00021.56% $92,853,000

So, our position has been improving on the capital and debt side.

HOWEVER, we have gained assets and are having problems with finding money to operate and maintain those assets. That seems to me at least to be the problem we are facing.

In a growing city there are development cost charges which can be banked to take care of some of that plus here are more taxes from more users coming in rather than from increasing taxes to individuals, businesses and industries.

Here is the DCC summary from the last 4 years: DCC account $ : DCC levied in the year : return on investment of the DCC accounts.

2012$4,089,000$734,000$90,000
2011$5,820,000$318,000$114,000
2010$5,474,000$496,000$166,000
2009$7,864,000$366,000$388,000

Here are transfers to general revenues, presumably to expend them on maintenance and building of services covered by DCCs – roads, drainage, parkland, sewer, water.

why does the City not have such simple information in an annual state of the city report in easily understood language.

Other cities who understand transparency of government have found ways of doing that and there are some good examples of such web sites on the net.

Which Councillor ever addresses that notion? So far I have not heard any do so in public. Don’t wait till election day, start the conversation (to coin a Green phrase) now in public.

oops … forgot those DCC transfers

2012$2,516,000
2011$86,000
2010$2,803,000
2009$1,730,000

gus,

was just going to ask the forum where you had gone, has seemed silent for a while, and then you posted :)

So I wonder what building the New RCMP building do to this overall indebtness.
Did it add 25 million, 40 million or what.

Can we afford the PAC, I think we need to rethink this.

Posted by: He spoke on April 11 2014 1:46 PM

Can we afford the PAC, I think we need to rethink this.

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Affordability is not an issue. I’m under the impression that the people who want this are far more influential then you and I and they will get their PAC and you will get the shaft.

I go to the NSC both for fitness and my son attends soccer there. It’s no more money than the YMCA and if you want to see crowds, go to the “Y”. There you sign up for a piece of equipment to use and someone is breathing down your neck to get off when your time is up.
The NSC is an important piece of the sports puzzle here in the area. It’s busy and brings in folks from out of town for tournaments etc. If it costs the city 300G for it, I would go complain to the city why we have to pay huge taxes yet only get limited use of a facility that the city should have on its own. Quesnel is way smaller than PG yet they have a much nicer indoor field that the residents can use just about any time they want too.

“A million bucks in Vancouver for a house? Up here one can buy 6 or 8 of ’em. High-rise condos in the Bowl? Come on IPG. Run with that scenario, dream, plan, scheme, desire, and agenda”

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A major problem with PG’s real estate environment is the lack of condos, town homes an similar types of buildings.

Sure most people can afford a home in PG if they want to buy a 30+ year old house and there is nothing wrong with that. If they want to buy a new single family home, prices in PG are actually comparable to other places, including major centres. New homes in PG are no more affordable than anywhere else. They are actually more expensive that many places.

The kicker though, is that people in other cities can buy a new condo or town home for the same price as what they pay for that 30 year old house in PG. In PG that option isn’t available because nobody builds them and the city doesn’t really plan for that type of development. For the most part, you are in a single family home, it’s just the age that differs.

The city really could use some developers with a fresh outlook and some experience with catering to all types of buyers.

I see that wonderful group known as the Crescents Community Association is once again on their high horse about development in their garden of Eden.

This time they are picking on the seniors.

nimby nimby nimby

If a candidate running in the upcoming civic election walked up to you and plain out said to you that he/she will build some needed infrastructure, fix all the roads, build a PAC and balance the rest of the needs of the city and raise our taxes accordingly to pay for it all, would you vote for him/her based on their honesty in telling you ahead of time that stuff that needs to get done is going to hurt a little?

And yeah, I know I could have used a couple of periods in that last comment ;)

Welcome back Gus!

Posted by: PGguy1234 on April 11 2014 3:02 PM
I go to the NSC both for fitness and my son attends soccer there. It’s no more money than the YMCA and if you want to see crowds, go to the “Y”.

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I find them both comparable but the Y’s more central location makes it my preference.

I see the Cartel is at it again!
I wonder what justification PetroCan has for bumping gas prices to $142.9 along with a few others this morning?
Did we see a big jump in oil prices? Did demand suddenly spike? Did someone nuke the middle east? Or is the usual “Lets squeeze em till the they squeel…then sqeeze em some more routine? I think its nothing more than a greedy cynical weekend cash grab that the cartel is always pulling on us. Personally I will NEVER EVER purchase fuel or anything else from a Petro Can! I would encourage the rest of you to pick your own target, and refuse to ever do business with them again! Perhaps when they can’t give their stuff away they will awaken to the fact that we are not sheeple willing to play their game any longer!

Gus, have you considered running for mayor? We would encourage you to. We really need someone with some SENSE in that position.

I find it really interesting that so many people on this particular blog are always bad mouthing everything and anything to do with our city, yet when someone posts a positive remark based on his or her own personal experience in PG they are chided, ridiculed, and made fun of!
I think it’s time that the people of PG followed our Mayor’s advice, if you don’t like it here, if Prince George is such an aweful S**t hole to live in, why are you still here? Why not move somewhere else perhaps somewhere better suited to your needs and tastes…and when you go…don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya! Cheers…have a great weekend!

Page 6 National Post, April 11 reads: “Downtown Eastside MLA Jenny Kwan buys $1.9M house in Kitsilano. Nothing new here folks. I harken back to the Dave Barret days when an NDP MLA by the name of Rosemary Brown bought a very posh house on a upscale street in Burnaby. Buckingham Street,(if I recall). Back then she was labelled a “Cadillac socialist”. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Except maybe the optics. Colour me cynical when it comes to holier than thou people especially dippers. Carry on.

I find it really interesting that so many people on this particular blog are always bad mouthing everything and anything to do with our city, yet when someone posts a positive remark based on his or her own personal experience in PG they are chided, ridiculed, and made fun of!
I think it’s time that the people of PG followed our Mayor’s advice, if you don’t like it here, if Prince George is such an aweful S**t hole to live in, why are you still here? Why not move somewhere else perhaps somewhere better suited to your needs and tastes…and when you go…don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya! Cheers…have a great weekend!

And how do you like the rise in gas prices today at many of the outlets in good old PG? Get ready for the long weekend.

Re: gas prices; is the honeymoon with Costco over?

I find it really interesting that so many people on this particular blog are always bad mouthing everything and anything to do with our city, yet when someone posts a positive remark based on his or her own personal experience in PG they are chided, ridiculed, and made fun of!
I think it’s time that the people of PG followed our Mayor’s advice, if you don’t like it here, if Prince George is such an aweful S**t hole to live in, why are you still here? Why not move somewhere else perhaps somewhere better suited to your needs and tastes…and when you go…don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya! Cheers…have a great weekend!

I like gus and his posts as much as anyone, but he was gone for a week and people were acting like it was the end of the world! We’re all lost children without gus’s wisdom to guide us.

Oh yeah, welcome back gus!

Costco gas price has not changed but the Hart Hwy is taking a run at trying to get everyone else to follow their pricing.

GUS GUS GUS GUS GUS GUS GUS GUS

Yes,I agree the pulpmill smell is better, but, now we have a terrible smell from the new raw sewage plant that we have, which is not that far from the Superstore!

I agree with the doggie problem in this city. People, please pick up the doggie doo!!!

John Horgans Wikipedia page doesn’t list any of his credentials . He wants to lead the NDP and doesn’t list or have any credentials . What’s wrong with that picture ? How would anyone judge if he is up for the job or not ?

Always notice gas prices go up on friday and go down late sunday, I guess for out-of-towners. Sad really, hey?

Posted by: Ataloss on April 11 2014 5:05 PM
John Horgans Wikipedia page doesn’t list any of his credentials . He wants to lead the NDP and doesn’t list or have any credentials . What’s wrong with that picture ? How would anyone judge if he is up for the job or not ?

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Wikipedia is not his page so he has little say in what is posted there. According to his website he has a BA from Trent and and MA from somewhere in Australia and he’s been nothing but a public servant his entire career.

Other details are sketchy. :)

Honest Joe be glad you don not live in Fort St James… roving bands of stray dogs on every street corner. Its hilarious driving through that town, they are chasing trucks, each other, and everywhere. I bet there is not a dog collar in 50km of that place.

I find the worst thing about Furguson Lake is the large black leaches everywhere in the spring. During the day not many dogs around, but late evening is when it gets bad IMO.

So not even a month ago Foreign Affairs Minister; John Baird announces $220 million dollars in financial support from Canada to the Ukraine. This month, this same government is closing the Health Council of Canada, and abandoning the essential federal role it has in Canadian Health Care, all to save just $6 million dollars.

Wow! Give your heads a shake Harper Conservative government, where are your priorities at?

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2013/04/17/by_closing_the_national_health_council_stephen_harper_is_abandoning_national_medicare.html

On another note: Retired 02’s comment on the Jim Flaherty’s fatal heart attack article is right; Flaherty was a good guy but he belonged, and worked for, the wrong government. RIP Jim.

So did Peeps get tired of being called Peeps and now wants to be known as “BeingHuman”? Maybe we can shorten that to ‘Beeps’.

JB, Peeps seems to have disappeared about a week ago, very shortly after his extremely rude and rather disgusting comments towards you on the “Elks Float” post on April 5th.

I suspect that he might have realized that his comments had in fact set a new low on this site and in his shame, he just disappeared, only to arise like a phoenix under a new name “BeingHuman”.

That’s just my opinion, but I could be wrong!

Those complaining about gas prices take a look at the taxes. How’s that carbon bs tax working out. Seen any results.

See the citizens science dude is still using stone age science to keep the gravy train rolling.

BeingHuman, interesting that you would post a link to an opinion piece written by Michael McBane, the National Coordinator of the Canadian Health Coalition in Ottawa. This Coalition according to their website is:

“a public advocacy organization dedicated to the preservation and improvement of Medicare.

Our membership is comprised of national organizations representing nurses, health care workers, seniors, churches, anti-poverty groups, women and trade unions, as well as affiliated coalitions in 9 provinces and one territory.”

Hmmm, for the most part, this seems like a very left wing organization. Hard to believe that a left wing organization would have anything good to say about a right wing government, eh??

With regards to this matter, it’s interesting to note that the Canadian Press reports:

“The Health Council of Canada will no longer receive money from the federal government to keep tabs on an expiring health-care deal between Ottawa and the provinces.”

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2013/04/16/tory_government_will_end_funding_of_body_that_oversees_canadas_health_accord.html

I don’t know enough about the Health Council of Canada and as such I probably don’t have much more to offer other then perhaps it’s reasonable to suspend support for an expiring health-care deal?

That’s just my right-wing opinion, but what the heck, I could be wrong!

CuriousKat – right on! I moved 7 years ago from the coast. I will never go back. I have seen more rain there in a day than PG gets in a year. Nice to see positive stuff instead of all negative. I have seen almost as many potholes in Surrey. So they are not immune.

bentely. You don’t see anywhere near the dog s..t in Surrey that you do in Prince George, or the garbage and paper strewn all over town. Lets not get carried away and admit that we have a problem here with dogs, and the apparent inability of owners to pick up the crap.

In fact we actually have people who allow their dogs to run and crap in school yards. Hmmmmm.

No gas pricing collusion in this town, all stations up to 142.9 pl, gotta love it. Higher prices than Vanouver. Thieves!

Sorry, Vancouver

Hey you who think that Abottsford is a stink give your head a shake. Where did that info come from? Oh and we also have poor air quality! Your head is up your know where.

Try and go to BC Air Quality website and then tell is that the air quality is Poor. Hard to believe that people can give us faults info and want us to Believe it.
Cheers

I could be wrong!I could be wrong!I could be wrong!I could be wrong!I could be wrong!I could be wrong!I could be wrong!I could be wrong!I could be wrong!I could be wrong!I could be wrong!
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Dude you sound like a broken record!

Those are European black slugs at Ferguson Lake and they eat the dog s***. If you are kind enough to leave it in a pile for them there can be as many as a dozen on it.

Dragonmaster, if 2 posts, oops 3 now, makes me sound like a broken record, then perhaps I am a broken record.

That’s just your opinion, but you could be wrong ;-)

Hey retired my eyes have watered in your area and when heading into latte land I can taste the air. Grew up down there, never wanted to go back. Don’t need a reservation for the bush up here.