bikinis cause accidents – lets ban them

Idiots with drivers licenses cause accidents; let’s ban them. Make an IQ test mandatory as part of the graduated license program. :)

I find it odd though that the guy at front got the only ticket; usually the person who does the rear-ending gets the ticket.

So true hit the bridge going to fast

Wow. Has the MV code changed? Just this morning I had guy roll up within 10 feet of my bumper and I actually slowed down and stopped at the side of the road rather than take a chance of getting creamed by this idiot – so, do I get a ticket if he hit me, or someone hit him, because I tried to protect myself? Just what is the rule? What made this situation different? It is a narrow bridge, lots of people slow up before it, especially if there’s an oncoming semi. Any chance we could get more details?

Have to agree with comments 1 & 2, you never know what the driver ahead of you is going to do, so you drive accordingly. In other words, maintain a safe distance.
Remember the old Icbc jingle from the ’70s?
Can’t remember the ’70s? Born later?
A catchy phrase designed to help you remember how to calculate a safe following distance, at any speed
onechuggaluggalugga2shingalingalingading”
a silly way to express “1001, 1002” as the vehicle ahead of you passes a signpost, crack in the road, or any other landmark you choose, you count off. If you pass the landmark before you’re finished the chant, you are following too close.
metalman.

The rear-enders will be held responsible for damages insurance-wise.

Maybe he slowed down to blow a doughnut? I’m sure the charge wasn’t for slowing down as much as how he slowed down and why.

My guess is that the RCMP think that the driver charged slowed down abruptly without good reason, which could be construed as reckless driving.

Maybe so billposer, and let’s assume that’s true, he did it just to be a jerk, so I guess the outcome would be different if he did it because of a deer running on the road? Anyhow, I decided to email my question to the RCMP to see how/if they respond.

Posted by: metalman on June 23 2014 11:12 AM
Have to agree with comments 1 & 2, you never know what the driver ahead of you is going to do, so you drive accordingly. In other words, maintain a safe distance.
Remember the old Icbc jingle from the ’70s?
Can’t remember the ’70s? Born later?

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I don’t remember the 70’s for reasons other then my birth year but, I do know the 2 second rule and practice it quite frequently. Always cracks me up though when I see the number of people who try to squeeze in to the gap in front of me.

I am aware of an accident recently where someone slowed abruptly to check out a grizzly bear, causing a rear ender.
The police blamed the person slowing down, the insurance blamed the rear ender.
It is hard for me to understand why people follow 2 seconds behind anyone given the amount of space on our roads.
I prefer 2 minutes, and if I am in a “gaggle” of 5 or more cars following an RV or truck I will pull over, take a pee, or stretch.
No reason for the gaggles, but people seem to prefer them.

I am aware of an accident recently where someone slowed abruptly to check out a grizzly bear, causing a rear ender.
The police blamed the person slowing down, the insurance blamed the rear ender.
It is hard for me to understand why people follow 2 seconds behind anyone given the amount of space on our roads.
I prefer 2 minutes, and if I am in a “gaggle” of 5 or more cars following an RV or truck I will pull over, take a pee, or stretch.
No reason for the gaggles, but people seem to prefer them.

Posted by: cupricity on June 23 2014 12:05 PM

It is hard for me to understand why people follow 2 seconds behind anyone given the amount of space on our roads.

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Many years ago when I took driver’s ed we talked about pockets; how most drivers tend to drive in groups close to others leaving ‘pockets’ of no traffic between those groups. I always try to find a pocket and stick to driving by myself.

When I’m driving into town I really don’t have the luxury of 2 minutes between cars.

I like the 2 minutes, good policy, for the highway. But if you try even the 2 second rule during the Hart 500, by slowing down to re-establish a safe distance every time someone fills the gap, you will likely end up back where you started.
On Friday I had to drive at 90 km/h in the 60 zone going up the hill, just to keep up with the pack, and was still being passed.
I’ll bet that Icbc finds the rear enders at fault, regardless of how the RCMP deal with them.
metalman.

And here’s what they said.

Sir,

Every situation is different and would need to be accessed on it’s own merits. Having said that, it sounds to me like you did the right thing. Unless you pulled over at an unsafe location or in an unsafe manner, I would doubt you would ever get a ticket. We target aggressive drivers, so I would say the vehicle or vehicles behind you would be more likely to get a ticket.

In the situation yesterday on the Salmon Valley bridge, the driver slowed to a crawl on the bridge, giving the other drivers no option. However, a case could be made to providing “following to closely” tickets as well.

Hope that helps,
Cpl. Craig Douglass

It’s called following to close for your Speed. I really don,t care why he or she slowed down, you are to close and could not stop in time .

Posted by: Outwest on June 23 2014 2:06 PM
It’s called following to close for your Speed. I really don,t care why he or she slowed down, you are to close and could not stop in time .

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Who says anyone was following to close? If some idiot damn near stops on the bridge deck heading south there’s a good chance he’s getting plowed in to. No one turns that corner expecting to see someone stopped on the bridge otherwise we’d have “Caution Idiots on Bridge Deck” signs everywhere.

This accident sounds like it was completely preventable.

Posted by: ski50 on June 23 2014 12:54 PM
Re your reply from RCMP
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Their reply sounds like the old cilche of “your dammed if you do or you dammed if you don’t

Actually axman – Metalman on the first news report gives a pretty good breakdown of the accident, and it it was all rear-enders. The only way I can see how this makes any sense, is the lead driver was being a dick holding up traffic where no one could pass and then slammed on his brakes at the bridge, – so the cop – based on the witness statements, probably decided to give him the ticket. Ironically, the two hours I pedaled that highway yesterday – never saw one cop. Maybe the accident would have been prevented if a patrol car had seen the parade of cars and issued a ticket to the driver obstructing the flow of traffic – but he would have to have been there – and not where ever he was.

If you are going to drive slow or stop on the highway.

Driving slow. 20 KMH below posted highway speed or slower.

Put your emergency flashers on!!!

From; MVA

Slow driving
145 (1) A person must not drive a motor vehicle at so slow a speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic, except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law.

(2) If the driver of a motor vehicle is driving at so slow a speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic, a peace officer may require the driver to increase his or her speed, or to remove the motor vehicle from the roadway to the nearest suitable place and to refrain from causing or allowing the motor vehicle to move from that place until directed to do so by a peace officer.

You come around a Corner lets say in the Fraser Canyon and a big Rock is on the Road and the Car behind rear ends you , it’s all the same, I guess you could blame the Rock.

Posted by: Outwest on June 23 2014 3:01 PM
You come around a Corner lets say in the Fraser Canyon and a big Rock is on the Road and the Car behind rear ends you , it’s all the same, I guess you could blame the Rock.

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The rock is an inanimate object; it did not block the roadway deliberately.

If his slowing down caused that many accidents, they were following way too close…
what did the driver do slam on his brakes and have no brake lights ?

still following to close if you can’t stop in time.

Those that say they slam on the brakes when tailgated might want to pay attention to the outcome of this :)

Posted by: axman on June 23 2014 3:04 PM
“Fraser Canyon and a big Rock is on the Road”
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You don’t have to go that far for a rock on the highway, Last Monday morning I had to make a 430am run to airport, heading south on the Hart had green light at Austin in the intersection at the last second I spotted a rock about 3/4 size of a soccer ball in left lane, what saved my ass was I have a 4×4 ford pu high enough to go over it, had I had a small car I would have had to take some type of evasive action, no cell with me to call anyone, I sure some one did call as it was gone when I returned from the airport 1 hour later, there was a fair amount of traffic . had I stopped to remove the danger it becomes clear now I would have been in the wrong for stopping if I would have been hit.

It was the cars fault! It slowed down causing this crash. Humans had nothing to do with it.

Ride my a$$ too close and I will hammer the brakes avoiding a deer or moose!

145 (1) A person must not drive a motor vehicle at so slow a speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic, except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law.

(2) If the driver of a motor vehicle is driving at so slow a speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic, a peace officer may require the driver to increase his or her speed, or to remove the motor vehicle from the roadway to the nearest suitable place and to refrain from causing or allowing the motor vehicle to move from that place until directed to do so by a peace officer.

162 (1) A driver of a vehicle must not cause or permit the vehicle to follow another vehicle more closely than is reasonable and prudent, having due regard for the speed of the vehicles and the amount and nature of traffic on and the condition of the highway.

Would you do that if someone was following too close on a sidewalk or do you just hide in your car?

From an officer in reply to tailgating on drivesmartbc:

It happened on highway 97 south of Penticton in an 80 km/h zone many years ago. The driver in front slams the brakes, the driver following too closely collides with the vehicle in front. Everyone moves off the road that the lead driver gets out of his vehicle and points out the bumper sticker on his car: “I brake for tailgaters!”

I completed and distributed the MV6020 (or MV104 as it was then known) collision report forms and added a drive without reasonable consideration for others ticket for the lead driver and a follow too closely ticket for the tailgater.

I have no doubt that ICBC did not find the following driver totally at fault. I’m sure the result would still have been the same without the bumper sticker.

Had someone been hurt or killed, there would likely have been criminal charges of dangerous driving or criminal negligence against the braking driver.

Jamming on the brakes to deter tailgaters is even more stupid than tailgating. If you don’t like being tailgated, slow down and move over. Let the idiot by. It’s a small inconvenience to remain safe.

Thx for that slinky. That’s my policy. The irony is the process of slowing down and pulling over – especially on hwys with narrow shoulders – generally costs the tailgater more time than if he’d just hung back and passed when safe to do so. Tailgaters are bullies – pure and simple. If the car in front of you is doing the speed limit or better, take a deep breath and wait for an opportunity to pass. For what it’s worth, average commute for out of towners is about 25 km. It takes 15.00 minutes at 100 km, it takes 18.75 minutes at 80 km. But, because 10 km is in the city, you can really only do your 100 k on about 15 k of the trip, meaning the best time you can save is about 2.5 minutes, and for that you act like a ***hole

“Tailgaters are bullies – pure and simple”

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And what do you call those drivers who drive slow when the road is curved then speed up when there is a straight stretch or a passing lane? Or those drivers who refuse to “keep right except to pass”?

How slow must I go passing a pulled over police car or construction crew without receiving a ticket while slowing the cars behind me? Any minimum speed for that?

For you left lane hogs, try that in Washington state you will be fined. No ands ifs or buts!

Out west, bcracer you guys are funny.

During the early/mid 70’s oil embargo the highway speed limit was reduced to 55mph in the states. Of course this limit was ignored. Some college kids thought it would be fun to drive at the new reduced speed limit side by side by side by side on the I-5. (4 lanes each way at that time where they did this) There was thousands of vehicles backed up for miles behind them all doing the 55mph. To the best of my knowledge the kids never got pulled over and fined even though there was plenty of police cars and helicopters following them monitoring the situation. (and lots of news copters too) Was fun to watch on the news but maybe this was where “road rage” started. lol

“Tailgaters are bullies – pure and simple”

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And what do you call those drivers who drive slow when the road is curved then speed up when there is a straight stretch or a passing lane? Or those drivers who refuse to “keep right except to pass”?

Same thing I call the tailgaters. I drive 10. % over the limit. I do keep right except tp pass. I use cruise so my speed is constant. What the tailgater doesn’t seem to get is if a quad dirt bike deer moose or child suddenly enters the road I have to slam on my brakes and I end up in a neck brace because 88 in an 80 isn’t fast enough for him and he smashes me into the obstacle. So. Now I slow down and stop to let him pass and eat up the precious seconds he’s trying to save

Posted by: Harbinger on June 23 2014 6:03 PM
How slow must I go passing a pulled over police car or construction crew without receiving a ticket while slowing the cars behind me? Any minimum speed for that?

Construction sites usually have signs and or flag people to control your speed. As fo police of emergency vehicles:

When a driver is approaching or passing a stopped emergency vehicle with flashing lights on a roadway, the BC Motor Vehicle Act Regulations requires drivers traveling in both directions to:

Drive at no more than 70 km/h where speed limit is 80 km/h or more

Or

Drive at no more than 40 km/h where speed limit is less than 80 km/h

been driving a lot of years and if I didn’t slow down or sometimes even stop I would have a handful of accidents by now. so maybe I should of run the dumb….er over even killed his kids, give your head a shake slow down and pay attention, you have to adapt to the ever changing road conditions that you encounter on the hwy. granted yes you can get rolling pretty good down that hill but that is what brakes are for and the two second rule definitely applies here. REMEMBER expect the unexpected

“Tailgaters are bullies – pure and simple”

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And what do you call those drivers who drive slow when the road is curved then speed up when there is a straight stretch or a passing lane? Or those drivers who refuse to “keep right except to pass”?

Same thing I call the tailgaters. I drive 10. % over the limit. I do keep right except tp pass. I use cruise so my speed is constant. What the tailgater doesn’t seem to get is if a quad dirt bike deer moose or child suddenly enters the road I have to slam on my brakes and I end up in a neck brace because 88 in an 80 isn’t fast enough for him and he smashes me into the obstacle. So. Now I slow down and stop to let him pass and eat up the precious seconds he’s trying to save

Salmon valley bridge may be considered narrow today,,,35 plus years ago it was the widest part of the road heading north,, loader operators,loggers in general drove 75 MILES PER HOUR in winter,,,faster in summer,,,few accidents,,,

need to add most people knew how to drive back then