What a bunch of crap. I didn’t know summer school was life or limb. No teacher should be an essential service.

I agree, what a bunch of crap is right!

Back in the thirties some jerk across the ocean took away the RIGHTS of the people,,,
a lot of us older folks know what followed. The feds are doing the same crap.

Maybe that’s why someone said 40% was a pass! Only in BC.

Boo freakin hoo……I love how when the LRB goes against the union drones, its the feds fault conjuring up refrences to nazi Germany.
What a bunch of drama queens.

AND THE GOVERNMENT IS WASTING MONEY ON STUDENTS THAT GOT LESS THAT 40%
WOW THAT IS BAD

Teachers took a Vote to Strike till an agreement was reached-what is this about them taking a BREAK during the summer and Starting up again in Sept.?
What a Load of Bull.
If you are on Strike-You are on Strike.

All the school districts need is applicants for the teaching jobs. Operators are standing by……

So how is it an essential service when it is all volunteer to teach through the summer

erboy – technical point but LRB is actually under provincial jurisdiction – but I agree, not sure how summer school is an essential service.

Summer school is essential for those a credit or two short of graduating, or those that need the credits to graduate the following year, or cannot take the appropriate prerequisite course the next year because they need another course that is prerequisite to that one. You are now going to tell the kid he has to hold off on college or university for an extra year because his/her teacher went on strike? Not bad enough his/her graduating grade could suffer for the lack of instructional days prior to exams?

So the provincial government couldn’t give a crap about the students in the regular school year but say summer school is essential. Well I’d give Christy’s henchmen a D- on this one.

was there any doubt that an agency funded by the government would rule on the government’s side????..

I am truly surprised that the Liberals didn’t order the teachers back to work right from the get do.

but if the government shuffles their feet for another week or so they won’t have to pay the signing bonus they offered the teachers..

Theres one winner here, its the union leader.
he gets his dues no matter what. Are the teachers getting their moneys worth? Does he care? Is he even around? Just how much an hr. do the teachers get?

There is a problem in many of your comments and it comes from the fact you are debating on only part of the information. Opinion250 did a terrible job representing the ruling. If you read the real ruling there is more to it.

1. It is only essential for students that have failed a course in grade 10, 11, or 12.

2. It is only essential if the course is not available next year.

3. Classes must be taught by administrators. Teachers will only be used if there is no administrator qualified to teach the specific course.

Needless to say this is the most bizarre essential service order ever. Number 2 makes it a near certainty not a single student will meet the requirement of essential. Even if a school doesn’t offer a certain course every year in a row, they could always take it through distance education.

Posted by: onemansthoughts on June 28 2014 1:58 PM

Theres one winner here, its the union leader.
he gets his dues no matter what. Are the teachers getting their moneys worth? Does he care? Is he even around? Just how much an hr. do the teachers get?
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For the record it is union business and none of yours. However, in the interest of you smearing the name of leadership without any actual facts, I will correct you. The BCTF leadership has donated their wages to the teacher hardship fund as soon as teachers were losing money themselves.

You guys sure never let facts get in the way of an opinion do you?

There’s an oxymoron if I ever heard one.

**Teachers hardship fund**

Most teachers are married or have a significant other that works. So for most there is another income. Average income for the household would be in the area of $120,000.00 per year and up.

For the amount of time they have been on strike I doubt if they have gone through their pin money.

If you want to talk hardship, you might want to talk to a few seniors on limited income trying to make ends meet.

Don’t have much sympathy for high rolling teachers.

Every teacher makes 80k a year right Palopu?

“If you want to talk hardship, you might want to talk to a few seniors on limited income trying to make ends meet.”

I don’t feel sorry for those whom can’t/won’t save for retirement.

Just because teachers or anyone’s household income is high doesn’t mean they won’t fall on hard times.

Palopu,

Your thoughts, while not always ideologically similar to mine are usually better thought out or researched. I typically pay more attention to your arguments compared to someone else on your side of the argument like JohnnyBelt who merely spends most of his time ranting and parroting liberal talking points. This time you have left me less than impressed.

The teacher hardship fund is only for those that are going through hardship and there is an application process. There can be many reasons a person goes through hardship. It could be a single mother/father who can’t make rent after spending several years on a TOC list that has no buffer against a strike. There are many reasons and I can assure you very few teachers would qualify for it through the application process. However those that must access it are grateful it is there.

On a side note. Again, this is a piece of union business that I find odd so many non-union people think they should have a say in it.

In regards to seniors etc. having a hard time making ends meet. I couldn’t agree more. Unfortunately our government is not interested in them nor the children living in poverty.

Smooth, nothing reported that Iker is donating his pay to the teachers. Some teachers donated their earlier strike pay to a membership support fund but nothing about Iker giving his pay to the union in any news site, nor the BCTF site itself.

http://www.cknw.com/2014/06/17/some-hard-pressed-teachers-to-get-assistance-during-s/

And nothing on that here either, just some other unions are donating to a fund.

http://www.cknw.com/2014/06/20/bctf-president-says-some-teachers-on-call-living-below-the-poverty-line/

Today they are asking for:
8 percent over 5 years and 5,000 signing bonus
225 million annual workload fund
225 million retroactive grievances fund

With 41,000 teachers that works out to:
8 percent increase
5,000 signing
5,500 per teacher annual workload
5,500 per teacher retroactive wage

Which is close to 2 billion in increases over 5 years. 1.1 billion of it just on annual workload alone.

PS Smooth, read the ruling again. Your 3 points are not correct above

http://www.scribd.com/doc/231656632/BC-LRB-interim-order-issued-about-Summer-School

There is nothing about the course being available again the following year. The ruling states those in 10, 11 and 12 who failed a course and are required to take the summer course cannot take a failed course the following year.

“For the record it is union business and none of yours. However, in the interest of you smearing the name of leadership without any actual facts, I will correct you. The BCTF leadership has donated their wages to the teacher hardship fund as soon as teachers were losing money themselves.”

I am still killing myself laughing at this post.
A Union leader giving away his paycheck!

slinky,

The first sentence when I open your link says:

“Grade 10, 11, and 12 remedial courses have been deemed “essential” in the interim order. However, these courses are restricted to students who previously failed the course and who cannot take the failed course during the following school year.”

Everyone can take a course during the following school year, so “essentially” no student will fall under the LRB ruling as essential.

Am I misreading it or are you?

Posted by: slinky on June 28 2014 3:29 PM

Smooth, nothing reported that Iker is donating his pay to the teachers. Some teachers donated their earlier strike pay to a membership support fund but nothing about Iker giving his pay to the union in any news site, nor the BCTF site itself.
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Nothing has been reported about it because again, it is union business. He owes it to no one except the membership as to what he does with his wage. He is not trying to look like a hero.

Kamloops announced they are cancelling summer school. If the LRB ruled it essential, then can someone explain how Kamloops is not breaking the law? Seems only one side has to follow the LRB rules.

The Liberal Relations Board is a bizarre thing:

1. Exams are essential. But only if it can be marked by a computer. (Written portions were taken off exams)

2. Summer school is essential. But only if an impossible set of conditions are met.

3. Summer school is essential. But we will let districts not run them if they choose.

4. Grades are essential. But they hold no validity and we will bump 40% up to 50%

Perhaps your understanding of what remedial summer school programs are. “Remedial courses are for grades 10, 11 and 12 who have failed a course and have no choice but to repeat the course in the 2014 Summer School” also included are “distance learning courses for the summer in remedial programs” – so pretty much any student grade 10 through 12 that has to take a remedial course, or in laymans terms needs to catch up to their peers.

And you really think Iker would give up his paycheck and not lord it over the media?

The government will always be a bunch of ip kids just making deals over lunch time with no care in the world. And also corrupt.