What this says is, Domano and 16 has the highest number of poor drivers travelling through it.

That’s right. It seems that the more open an intersection, the better the visibility in all directions, somehow make some drivers take more chances than at other intersections. I don’t know what more could be done at Hwy 16 and Domano, except put up gates, like at railway crossings!

Stop handing out driver’s licenses like they’re candy on Halloween. Toughen up the driving test and require frequent retesting based on age and/or number of incidents. It would be a freaking cash cow and the roads would be a lot safer!

what they need to do is make the lights at that intersection so that the left lane turns when traffic moves. The accidents are happening when cars try to move through the intersection after the left turn light stops, but traffic is still moving in both directions. It’s a pretty simple fix, and I’m surprised they haven’t thought of it

What they should do is adopt a flashing light system like back east. The green light will flash when it is about to change to yellow to warn drivers of the impending change.

I drive through this intersection several times a day. The problem isn’t with the lights, they work just fine. The problem is with people speeding, tailgating, and distracted driving. No warning flashing light will stop bozos from stepping on it in a rush to make it before it turns, nor will it make them put their phone down. Hold people responsible, stop trying to lay blame elsewhere.

Also, the speed limit is 60. Just last night, coming up Peden Hill in the right lane, I was going a little over, maybe 70, and numerous people passed me, had to be going at LEAST 80. It was like I was standing still. 2 vehicles ran the yellow at a ridiculous speed and one ran the red, whereas I had plenty of time to stop safely, thus not running the risk of killing someone.

Can’t figure out why they never built an overpass there over the years. Would solve everything.

I wonder if a traffic circle would help. There seems to be enough space for one. Drivers would need to be educated though.

They should put in speed bumps on Tyner and some on 16 West. Also, lower that MERGE sign coming onto the hywy.

Totally agree with margaritaville. Slow down! Speed limits appear to be totally optional in this town, and the area around Domano and a Tyner is one of the worst for that. Where is everyone hurrying off to? Need to get to Walmart a few minutes sooner? Just blows my mind that there are so many people in such a rush in a town where it already takes very little time to get anywhere.

Chloe I agree. Many places in Europe and even in the Yukon use the flashing light system on the traffic light to warn of a light change. Should be used on all traffic lights here. I looked into it and accidents were greatly reduced at these intersections.

Roundabouts work great, stopping t-bone crashes.

I travel through this intersection every day at least twice. It’s just a very busy intersection, with many variables. Going towards City Centre, you have two merge lanes, where a lot of people don’t know how to merge. On the uphill side near Tim Horton’s you have a merge lane and off ramp lane towards Canadian Tire within close proximity, almost too close. On the merge lane near Tim Horton’s, people try to cut across two lanes to make the left turn up Tyner Blvd. There are too many big trucks going either up or down through that intersection. It’s time to make another crossing over the Fraser River further west up the hill (around partridge heights) and join with the new Boundary Road. That section of road from Domano intersection to the Highway 97/16 junction has out grown it’s capacity, it’s time to take some of that traffic away, with a new route.

Why not finish Ospika Blvd to join Hwy 16 and Marleau rd ? not a fix all but would help alleviate some of the traffic entering the intersection from Tyner.The right of way is in place etc. Just finish it.

That intersection has been an engineering joke since it was first built. In any other city it would be an overpass crossing 16 to Domano. Instead there is such a dip in Tyner Blvd that you can’t even see Domano traffic crossing the highway ! So many transport trucks have to stop and go from that intersection that it has to be rebuilt every few years ! Would this be acceptable in Kamloops, Kelowna, Nanaimo, Chilliwack, etc.? An overpass should have been part of their respective business plan before Home Depot, Walmart and Canadian Tire among others were allowed to develop that intersection. And there should be another one at 16 and 97.

We had this discussion several years ego here and it seems to me moving HW16 out of PG downtown will eliminate more than 50% of all accidents in the city. Should we spend money for redirecting HW16, or money for widening roads into 4 lanes?

10 years ego there was a UNBC report on the dangers of moving dangerous goods through downtown PG area, the prof who compiled it left UNBC. Redirecting may not look good for downtown business at first, but it may help moving some of the undesired elements and activities from downtown and helping the business in the long term.

“10 years ego there was a UNBC report on the dangers of moving dangerous goods through downtown PG area…”

I would have thought that would be the best route. If something happens, no one will be affected. :)

So roughly three accidents a week out that corridor and people complain about speeding on the Hart?? I think ICBC and BCMSP should demand that every traffic officer in town stays on that section until people figure it out. It would probably save money to park an officer 24/7 at each intersection.
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All of these intersections see a high volume of traffic, so it’s not unusual to see a high number of accidents there.

The #1 cause of accidents is and will continue to be driver error.

Boon is right, should have been an overpass installed in that area.
Prince George as the most retarded driver I have ever seen.

Merge , merge, just learn how to MERGE folks, it is not to hard, even for amateurs…

Would be nice if the clowns that paved the hill would level the surface with the man hole covers. If you’re on a motorcycle and don’t see the man holes you’re ass over tea kettle. Bad enough in a vehicle and hit them wrong, axle killers.

Seriously never see a place so littered in man holes as Prince George.

That would mean using common sense Professional. Something that is very lacking in the depts responsible for planning, at all levels of govt.

Agree completely on the overpass solution. Problem solved.

And also agree with Boon’s suggestion for 16/97.

Actually interceptor – we’d make money, but welcome to the Canadian economic program of – don’t do what’s right, do what’s good for you. ICBC i.e. us, pay insurance claims. 41 accidents – got to be at least two vehicles damaged in each, so 82 damaged vehicles, some personal injury claims, easily you can get to a million dollar payout – by ICBC.

Police is paid for by the City of Prince George. 2 extra traffic units would cost about $250,000 a year – we already have a building to put them in, just need a car, and a cop. They could be relentless on the trouble intersections, and probably give us a 4 fold return, but ICBC would gain – not the City of PG.

So, people get hurt, and vehicles get damaged, not because we can’t prevent it, because the pocket that saves the money, isn’t the pocket that saves the people and property.

And as an aside, a tremendous amount of police resources go to the drug trade and the mentally ill wandering downtown – hence little traffic enforcement. I wonder who really causes the most pain and suffering in this town, the drug dealers and homeless, or the instigators of car accidents.

No kidding Professional. It amazes me when I see a brand new road with new infastructure all put in and the manholes are right down the tire travel path of the lane and several centimetres above grade. I can see the challenge with exisiting structure but new on new construction? Come on engineers, think a little.

How about an overpass for Hwy 16 / 97 as well? While we’re spending tens of millions of dollars protecting drivers from themselves, might as well keep the money flowing.

JB how much money do you think they all ready put into the Domano Blvd/Highway 16 W?
I say do it right the first time!I am sure YRB just loves snow removal in that area.
Common sense my friend.

Or, people could just learn to drive.

IMHO, it’s not an issue of learning to drive, it’s an issue of traffic management. Both Domano/Hwy 16 and Hwy 16/97 are high enough volumes that I think it makes sense to simply keep the traffic moving.

Now that said, until people learn how to merge in PG, a system with overpasses and proper merge lanes could cause more issues than what they have now, LOL.

Obey the Rule of the Road, Red means Stop and 60kmh means 60km not 80km ! Nothing wrong with that Intersection, we just have Drivers driving in a Fog!

Overpasses are a nice to have… not a need to have.

I’d bet that if you eliminated people running the lights (and the ones who rear end those that don’t) it would drop off the list. Intersection cameras? Or maybe some ICBC sponsored enforcement that would pay its way in savings?

MM, they haven’t removed their tin hats yet.
I was quite surprised also when they redid
the intersection that Ospika wasn’t finished to 16. With the amount of drivers using the turnoff in to Walmart et al, I’m sure it would have alleviated a lot of traffic entering a very busy intersection.
I’m interested in seeing a breakdown of the incidents, what’s the main problem that stupid drivers are screwing up on.

I’d like to ask Ben if he’s ever questioned the city or Highway regarding completion of Ospika to 16, what’s holding it up, or is it even on the drawing board. I believe a lot of drivers would use it instead of being stuck on Peden hill in the winter, or simply to get home out west after a day of shopping.

The majority of crashes at Domano are rear enders in the merge lane.

“Overpasses are a nice to have… not a need to have”

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So is pavement when dirt would do. So are traffic lights when four way stops would do. So are passing lanes when dashed yellow paint would do. So are double lanes when single lanes would do.

Nice strawman, NMG.

And there there is that lady, coming down Tyner heading to Domano, busy texting and just lifting her head when the lights changed to green. I should have blown my horn – but thought of that too late. Busy, busy, busy – no time to check out the surroundings – I class this as being an accident going somewhere to happen.
I agree with Grizzly that the completion of the Ospika to 16 section is long overdue.

You’re never going to fix the stupid drivers, might as well make the roads as idiot proof as possible. Overpasses are the solution. They are very expensive to construct, but look at the long range savings: fewer accidents, less wear and tear on the asphalt from millions of stop and go cycles per year at traffic lights.
Prince George is the worst city for traffic lights on highway and so called bypass intersections that I have ever driven in.

And; glad to hear I am not alone in cursing the fools who fail to raise the manhole covers to the new grade when re-paving a street or highway. There oughta be a law…
metalman.

I don’t recall any overpasses in Nanaimo and Kelowna…. I agree to finish that Osoika connector before spending the cash to pave a stupid walking path…

15th and 97 and 15th and central east are 20 feet apart, people need to learn how to yield turning right off 97 for turning traffic. A lot of turning traffic is heading to the hotel row on Central East and people not yielding cause accidents and a lot of close calls with people turning left to 15th and then right onto Central East. You can be ticketed for turning right on a red light without coming to a full stop, even if you have a right turn ‘lane’ you still have to stop and yield to oncoming traffic.