Wonder what it is about no, that he doesn’t understand?

He keeps complaining that he never got a written proposal for arbitration. This vote will get him his written proposal and everyone will see that the only precondition is teachers will not give up their rights as written in the charter. No one will ever sign away their charter of rights as a bargaining objective. How about at hartguys business he offers his workers a benefit but they may never sue him for gender harassment. As you can see that would be idiotic just as the teachers would be if they bargained away their constitutional rights.

All he has to do is pay for running the vote.

I suggest, 250news limits comments to 1 or 2 from the same source. Seems this site is set up for the real red necks, which causes others to ignore the comments. Common 250 News get with the program. Have a thumbs or down added to those who make comments. 250 news you can do better. I am waiting for a comment from you

Of course, TF supporters are going to agree with going to arbitration! BECAUSE, the TF’s condition of going there is based on certain issues not be part of the discussion. Thereby, an arbitrator is going to have his hands tied from the beginning.
This would hardly be considered as an arbitration process – it will simply be a shakedown. Let EVERYTHING ‘on the table’ be subject to discussion and consideration (negotiation no longer being available in an arbitration process) and I can support arbitration. But I would rather see the end of the dispute being the product of a negotiated process.

Fessbender the teachers are not going to fall for your plan….
go back to work so you can drag things out to the point they go back out and you get to blame the teachers for all the problems…
you sir in my opinion are not all that smart…
you are a liberal and
you will do as your leader dictates,
or you will join the ranks of the unemployed as did at least three others who chose not to follow orders they knew were dumb, that says reams in itself.

Why are the BCTF supporters generally so intolerant of those who disagree with their views?

One way to remove Fessenbender from the process is for the teachers and parents to gather signatures for a recall election in his Surrey-Fleetwood seat. He got only 45% of the vote and he can lose his job over the strike. Teachers in constituencies with close competition can approach their MLAs and threaten them with recall if they do not put pressure on BC Liberals.

Our great leader Christy Clark, the same one who disappeared during the Mount Polley disaster and has been invisible for most of the strike is doing what I expected.

Legislature opens Oct. 8th
Christy goes on an India trade mission Oct. 9th to 18th
For a legislature that sits 36 days a year, this is negligent of a premier

Recall anyone?

So I guess that leaves Iker and company a month to get back to the bargaining table and work out a deal or you might have to wave another three or four paychecks(x2) goodbye Smooth.

Those pesky trade missions sure bailed out our foresty industry during the American housing collapse that is only now showing signs of life. Government and industry executives made numerous trips to China in order to get a foot in the door of that huge market and all I say is thank goodness they had the foresight to diversify the customer base. If I remember my lessons right India also has a faily large population so it sure can’t harm to have a little face time with the leadership there.

As for a recall the most recent poll numbers indicate the support for the teachers is dropping as fast as the balance in their bank accounts. But I’m sure if it were to come to pass the tf would be willing to spend a ton of money on wall to wall prime time TV advertising to support the cause, Oh wait they wasted all their money doing that in the run up to the last election,to little effect, money that some teachers would like to have right about now in a bit of strike pay.

(BTW Likley residents had a lot of positive things to say about Christy after her meetings there)

Johnny boy. That is your approach. Just because not all agree with you are intolerant. Nice one

Posted on Monday, September 8, 2014 @ 5:48 PM by nuffsnuff1

Of course, TF supporters are going to agree with going to arbitration! BECAUSE, the TF’s condition of going there is based on certain issues not be part of the discussion. Thereby, an arbitrator is going to have his hands tied from the beginning.
This would hardly be considered as an arbitration process – it will simply be a shakedown. Let EVERYTHING ‘on the table’ be subject to discussion and consideration (negotiation no longer being available in an arbitration process) and I can support arbitration. But I would rather see the end of the dispute being the product of a negotiated process.
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The TF has not put class size and composition in as a precondition. The only precondition is that the arbitrator will not give away their Charter of Rights wins. Those pesky little documents that our nation basis peoples rights on. These are our rights as citizens, and are not negotiable.

Smooth: “Recall anyone?”

Because the BCTF once again can’t get along with the government? Tell us something we haven’t seen and heard over the past 30 years. You’re going to have to do much better than that, Smooth.

1. Quick wins
2. Mount Polley disappearance
3. Lost her initial riding
4. Debt has risen by $16.5 billion since Christy Clark became premier – faster than under any premier in B.C. history.
5. Supreme court ruling showing bad faith bargaining.

She is a star!

The NDP lost, Smooth. Time to get over it.

6. $475,000 credit card bill including $600 in itunes downloads

Go ahead. List what she has done well. She is certainly good at politicking and winning elections, but running a Province it isn’t looking so good.

Whaaaat ? Christie threw one heck of a Bollywood awards show just before the last election.

JB seriously, you need to stop being such a cuddly lap dog for the Liberals. We know, we get it. The NDP lost. So? Big whoop. It doesn’t change the fact that since (and before) the election, the Liberals have been complete pieces of cronyism garbage. But I do have sympathy for you.

(side note… I didn’t vote NDP either. I need to be able to sleep at night)

I think with the colder weather coming soon the teachers may be more willing to get back into there nice warm classrooms ( at least for the winter) , Maybe needing unlimited massages and a signing bonus for not working all summer or even picketing while on strike might become second nature and really start thinking of students not getting there valued education while taxpayers still foot the bill on there taxes notifications while we get nothing for it.

“She is certainly good at politicking and winning elections” In my opinion her campaign fervor was fueled by fear of a BC Rail inquiry.

It’s not unlimited massages, like every other benifit there is a limit.. As for the signing bonus..the government offered it first.. We foot the bill for,the huge raise Clark gave her aids ..didn’t hear you complaining about that.. Same with machinist getting a nice raise, guess that’s okay.. Why the hate for teachers when other public unions got a better deal than the teachers are asking for.. It’s all about the cost to the government for screwing up in 2002..

“The only precondition is that the arbitrator will not give away their Charter of Rights wins. Those pesky little documents that our nation basis peoples rights on. These are our rights as citizens, and are not negotiable.”

Some folks don’t get it Smooth and never will. They think how dare those greedy teachers have the same rights as every other Canadian.

Quesnel! You better go back to school.

I thought the two sides signed an agreement not to negotiate in the media?

It now seems that is the “only” means in which they are negotiating.

It makes for great entertainment but absolutely the opposite of good faith bargaining which is what most of us expect from both sides.

It is not exactly the role modeling you would expect from those charged with educating our youth. Stop the pot shots through the media, get back to the bargaining table and find a solution.

We’ll see how long these teachers last.
They looked pretty cold this morning! lol.
Let’s just prey for some snow next week.
Freeze them you say?
Nah. Their veins are already cold.

Don’t think they as nearly cold hearted as you lildiger

Yup that’s me;

He’s a cold-hearted snake
Look into his eyes
Oh oh oh
He’s been tellin’ lies
He’s a lover boy at play
He don’t play by the rules
Oh oh oh
Girl don’t play the fool–no

Boy, it sure doesn’t take much to get the resident lefties frothing at the mouth.

Pylot: “We know, we get it. The NDP lost. So? Big whoop. It doesn’t change the fact that since (and before) the election, the Liberals have been complete pieces of cronyism garbage.”

The NDP’ers and other lefties said the same thing the last two Provincial Elections, Pylot. Got anything new to report?

And despite all of that, the Liberals keep getting in. It must suck to be an NDP or Green Party supporter, eh?

Can someone on the government side look at this and see where my logic breaks down or I made a false statement?

1. Government has said #1 priority is class size and composition. (CS-C)
2. Government will not arbitrate because they said it must be negotiated.
3. If 1 and 2 are true and they really want to negotiate CS-C then they should drop the appeal and negotiate.

The whole point of the court case was they didn’t want to negotiate CS-C, now they want to. So drop the appeal, save 10’s of million on court cases and do as you say and negotiate.

Smooth, for the last friggin time. If the arbitraror entrenches the BCTF’s position, Taxpayers and parents will live by the BCTF. 27 kids in Mackenzie. Contract says 25 ,another teacher hired. Blah blah..30 years of this crap.

Come on Smooth! You’re a teacher! You consider yourself intelligent! Read dow7501’s last comment and figure it out, for crying out loud!!

My last post wasn’t calling for arbitration. I will say it more clearly.

1.Court case is about government not willing to previously negotiate CS-C
2. Government now wants to negotiate CS-C

There is now no reason for a court case. Drop the appeal.

Where is the flaw in that logic?

I don’t want to derail the question in my last post but to answer dow7501’s last question.

Ratio’s are no longer on the table from the BCTF’s side. They haven’t been on the table for a few months now. You guys need to keep up with things. They are now working on the LIF style proposal that the government has asked for. The Mackenzie example would no longer be a concern under that model.

Please go ahead and answer my last post now.

Here is the archive, sure looks like the BCPSEA has moved on a lot of issues, why is Iker lying to the media?

http://www.bcpsea.bc.ca/bc-teachers/teacher-collective-bargaining.aspx

My goodness lildigger,
I would never have imagined that William McGonagall who have competition for his tile.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_McGonagall

I think that you might have him beat.

Slinky,

The government keeps calling for negotiation, but has not submitted a proposal since June 16th. Sure looks like they wanted school to start on time.