The reality is she is just hoping for a deal that can be spun into a victory for the lazy and shiftless.

Bit of a jack ass comment, but your entitled as mindless the comment is.

“You are” is you’re sparky. I hope you don’t teach English. FAIL.

If the whisper that the improvements to wages and benefits in the deal are “in the zone” then the tf are the big losers. Way back in May the employers said there there is new money to address class size and composition but that the wage issue must be settled first.

So the teachers gave up a good portion of their checks in May as a result of study sessions and wage rollbacks all of June and most of September for nothing. No matter how early in a career that is money that will never be made up- ever.

Iker could and should pay the price for this massive failure in labour negotiations and be sent packing back to Burns Lake where hopefully he is not out of his league teaching that 1 + 1 = 2

Actually I would say that’s a completely true statement. At the end of the day the government has the hammer and the best the BCTF can do is grasp something to appear to have a victory. Without knowing details we can guess two things fairly certain: the wages will be within the “zone” proposed and class composition WON’T be handed over to the BCTF. So what could they really win?

Vince Ready acted as a mediator in this dispute not an arbitrator- he did not have the power to impose a settlement. If things reached an impass his only option was to walk away.

In the past week or so, Charles posted a couple of very informative links. I hope that with this tentative settlement, the information contained in the articles isn’t forgotten.

http://www.macleans.ca/economy/business/the-new-upper-class/

http://business.financialpost.com/2014/08/28/high-times-for-the-public-sector/

It’s high time for the average taxpayer to start contacting their representatives of Government, at all levels, to question them about the information contained in the articles. It’s time to stand up to the constantly increasing and unsustainable costs of our Public Sector!

Unless of course if you don’t mind never ending tax increases!!

Still bleating on about “binding arbitration”? It was a PR stunt, that was a last gasp attempt to save face. To say anything else is just the nonsense that keeps perpetuating the BCTF’s inability to elect a leadership that isn’t out of its depth at the bargaining table.
The cynical attempt by teachers and others outside of the real world, to link anything that distracts from the pay and benefits package, is becoming tiresome and fools nobody. It may look great in the war room where the Kool-Aid is flowing and everyone who isn’t a BCTF member is a simpleton to be fleeced. But in the real world, we realize it is a union’s mandate to enrich its membership and increase it, so just end the bait and switch schemes, they don’t fly.

Well said JH!! Unfortunately and even more so sadly, some just don’t get it!

Fair by who’s assessment Tina?
Fair to the taxpayers? Kids?
Or just fair for teachers?
Iker coughed up the court case I hear.

Hard to believe that some people still don’t know the difference between arbitration, mediation and legislation! Perhaps that should be explained in school, together with the difference between a debt and a deficit!

OMG.

It seems the BC Liberal goons here are not smart enough to comprehend what happened and how BC government crushed under pressure and agreed to reach a deal in mediation.

Fassbender fell for BCTF threat of going to arbitration and he was scared that the arbitrator will award a lot to BCTF. If BC government had agreed to go to arbitration, A highly possible outcome of that arbitration would have been similar to what Ready awarded in the UNBC arbitration case (ie modest salary increase by around 2% and negotiation on other matters).

Fassbender blinked.

6- year deal. 7-8% per cent pay increase (as per other public sector unions) and a signing bonus to deal with class size grievance. Money talks.

Well preliminary results are that it was “in the zone” on wages, so my first call is correct. If my second one is too (that Iker coughs up the court case) then rest assured it was not Fassbender who blinked.

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Do you see anything hypocritical in calling out some people for disrespecting other posters while calling those who disagree with your point of view bullies, liberal attack dogs, goons or paid bloggers? I sure do.

As for binding arbitration it is something that both sides have to agree to. You say “if the government had agreed” the key word there being ‘if’ as in IF the dog had not stopped for a crap he would have caught the rabbit. There is absolutely no way that the goverment would have went in that direction.

Iker agreed to something that could have been in the bag at beginning of June and the teachers would have much healthier bank balances today. Not only did they lose wages but have 8 million in borrowed money to pay back and reimberse the government for things like medical and dental benefits that were paid while employees walked the picket line.

Well played Mr. Fassbender, well played!

Prof there is arbitration built into contract language when the contract is in force. That is different than going to arbitration in the case of contract negotiation where there is no contract in force. If you read the last contract between the BCPSEA and the BCTF you will note that any dispute has an arbitrator clause.

The BCPSEA and government was willing ALWAYS to mediate, this is not a victory for either side, it was always in the cards as the BCTF cannot negotiate their way out of a paper bag and require a mediator or legislation to get them moving towards a settlement.

If they go for a 5 year contract it will be over in less than 4. That is why the government wants a 6 or 7 year contract to put the next wave of disagreements past the next election.

I am glad if Vince was able to slap some sense into Iker.

prof, I understand that it’s a 6 year deal, 7.25%. If this is in fact the case, then it’s hardly a case of Fassbender blinking and thankfully not the 2% per year modest salary increase that you suggest!

I read a PhD thesis on arbitration 15 years ego, written by a friend of mine who is an international arbitrator on inter-nation-al disputes. I tried to raise the relationship between UNBC case and BCTF case here since I haven’t seen regular updates in PG news sites like here on the ongoing negotiations between UNBC and its faculty association UNBC FA.

It is my understanding that the previous UNBC negotiating team formed by the Iwama/Dale administration is trying to remove clauses in the previous agreements which protected the faculty members with disabilities in UNBC.

This is not the development that many people expect from the new UNBC president whose research area is disabled people and who has been awarded for his research (e.g. on dawn syndrome). Dr Weeks asked for input from the public and he said that he is listening. I will tell him publicly that many in UNBC expect that the new UNBC president and provost remove Dr William McGill from the UNBC negotiation team and replace him with a person who has basic understanding about the accommodation of disabilities and who is fair.

This is Dr Weeks’ first test in UNBC
in his first weeks in UNBC.

Somebody here doesn’t have the first basic idea of how negotiations work. Step 1 isn’t choose who you will be facing at the negotiation table. I mean that might be the resent d’etre of most union negotiators, but as we have just witnessed recently, that is just an excuse to obfuscate. The art of the negotiation is “Getting to Yes”, rather than pandering to the lunatic fringe.

Jimmy Hughes it is Raison d’être and not resent d’etre! You can use the English translation: ‘reason for existence’. You remind me of Justine Beiber referring to Sistine Chapel as Sixteenth Chapel ….!

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When you refer to disabilities would that include a nameless prof who six months after the university decided not to renew his contract “found” that was mentally disabled and tried to force the university to allow him to resume his quest for a tenured position. Then after not being satisfied with the outcome of the arbitration tried to take it to the human rights tribunal a few times before being shown the door there too.

Now that there is a six year term with the tf Fassbender should become Minister of advanced education so he can bring some sanity to the practice of tenure.

dawn syndrome, justine == > I am reminded of the relationship of glass houses, their owners and stones.

The issues between UNBC and UNBC FA are many. The BCHRT, BC Labour Relations board, BC office of ombudsman and even UNBC former VP Poff have fully documented some of the UNBC abuse cases in an embarrassingly public way.

UNBC FA, following advice from its lawyer Mr Black decided to apply for trade union status this year and now UNBC is putting aside the previous agreements when UNBC was not a trade union and these cover protection for disabled and protection of tenure and security of employment and ….

ISIS: “Now that there is a six year term with the tf Fassbender should become Minister of advanced education so he can bring some sanity to the practice of tenure.”

He is a damaged good now.

lildigger:
“The reality is she is just hoping for a deal that can be spun into a victory for the lazy and shiftless.”

That is quite possibly the stupidest comment posted throughout this dispute.

Pls. accept teachers so it will be safe to walk on the side walks again!!!On our morning walk this morning by Kelly road school 4 picketers walking abreast forced us & other walkers to move off the side walk & on to the street. And they want public support NOT. Good thing we don’t have kids in that school as some teachers would have gotten some instant edumacation.

==> If and when the trade union becomes certifed I would suggest that you take a serious look at the plumbing trade, just a gut feeling but I think certain aspects of that trade would be right up your street.

BCHRT is a good idea gone way off the rails. Some of the cases that are accepted to go before the tribunal are a complete waste of time and money. But I suppose it does keep the tribunal members from having to look for real work.

Except I didn’t say it. Nice try though. Lol. ^^^^^^^

@”prof” this coming from the guy who thinks Vince Ready was the arbitrator in this negotiation. So my auto correct didn’t like French, what can you do? Who is this Justine Beiber you are referring to? Was that a typo? Too funny! Right back at ya sparky. Just can’t help thinking you are smarter than everyone else, while you are proving you are not. Priceless!

These useless provincial parliaments with MPs who attend it one month a year and they are paid full year have turned into complete waste of time and money. Just how much money in BC is going to digital enforcers, goons, attack dogs and …. ?

We can have one assembly for Quebec and another for first nation territories and merge the other provincial parliaments/governments (like in England part of UK).

Just as Scotland is voting whether to separate you deem to herald the UK’s dysfunctional “democracy”? That is primarily the reason why the Scots want out. Now you are just lobbing fluff balls.

You do realize if Scotland separates, the Torys have a majority of the seats in Parliament? You are aware that they, along with UKIP, will rubbish the socialist experiment as well as having to answer to Brussels. Then you can herald the English form of democracy.

Globe and Mail ==>

“It appears that the contentious E80 clause is now off the table as well.”

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F assbender blinked.

==> prof

If you really believe that the liberal mla’s only work when the house is in session and are indeed a prof of some sort then must be a savant with a very narrow band of knowledge.

F assbender? Kinda childish for someone with an education above a grade school level. In any case you were wrong-Iker caved.

Isis you are narrow minded that you use isis the name of a terrorist group who rapes women and behead innocent children for your screen name. Change it to gus2

You’re right lidigger.
Please accept my apologies.

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Surely a professor would know that isis is the Egyptian goddess of magic and life.

That being said it is pretty lame when you focus on the name on the top of the post rather than the content within. I guess that is what happens when the tank is empty.

Reading body language in Clark and Iker’s press conferences it was clear that Cristy was pumped and Iker deflated and defeated not just tired.

That was wild! Censored while still working on my comments.

Will you look at all the whining coming from the anti teacher side today. LMAO!

isis:
“Clark and Iker’s press conferences it was clear that Cristy was pumped and Iker deflated and defeated not just tired.”

Of course Iker was tired. He actually put some effort into working for a deal.
She sent out the odd tweet.

http://blogs.theprovince.com/2014/09/15/alex-tsakumis-clark-has-offered-no-leadership-in-bctf-dispute/

Clark really only surfaced after the Chinese gov’t let her know that they were unhappy with the strike.

From Michael Smythe, The Province:
“If the Chinese consulate hadn’t officially complained about the strike disrupting the education of their international students, it might have dragged on even longer.

Premier Christy Clark said the Chinese pressure played no role in the sudden urgency to get a deal.

Sure it didn’t.”