“Dental decay rampant in Calgary children, pediatric dentist says

Dentist says cavities in kids on the rise 3 years after Calgary stopped adding fluoride to drinking water”

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/dental-decay-rampant-in-calgary-children-pediatric-dentist-says-1.2864413

Just sayin’

This is the kind of action I like to see. Once a fair decision is made, action it.

I believe this team may be better at the fair decision process too, time will tell that story.

Cheers and good good luck to this new team.

@JohnnyBelt

That is sad news for the children in Calgary. Perhaps it is time to step up education on the importance and techniques of oral hygiene.

If fluoridation was the answer we all could have stopped brushing in PG years ago.

The Northern Health region fares the lowest (in BC) in the number of children who were caries-free (60.6 per cent/B.C. average 67.3 per cent), the highest number who had treated caries (19.9 per cent/B.C. average 18.1 per cent), and the highest number who had visible tooth decay (19.5 per cent/B.C. average 14.6 per cent)

All this while fluoride was in the tap water in PG for 50 years.

Just sayin’.

Its a shame the tin foil crowd convinced enough people to vote with them.

Actually it’s the tin foil crowd that lost the vote, if you think fluoridated water is actually doing that much good.

The fluoride issue was basically a **non issue** however because of electronic media, etc; it managed to get some legs. Those in favour of getting rid of fluoride managed to get it on a referendum.

Once on the referendum people just had to make an (x) without much time and effort put into the problem, and **Walla** no more fluoride.

Seems we were supposed to have a referendum on reducing the Councilors to six from eight. What happened to that referendum. Also people have been wanting a referendum on the Performing Arts Centre, however no progress made on that one as yet.

Being a **non issue** there was no financial or political risk to putting fluoride on a referendum.

In any event its passed, and we will now discontinue using fluoride in water. Unless someone makes a pretty convincing argument that we should go back to it.

Can’t wait till I no longer have to hear about this. It’s done and done lets move on.

Yeah, let’s throw away decades of study and what the medical and dental experts have to say. If council really was smart and wanted to show true leadership, that’s who they would be consulting.

Removing fluoride will prove to be penny wise and pound foolish, as demonstrated by what they’re seeing in Calgary. The people of lower SES will bear the brunt of this decision.

Just sayin’

Whatever side you were on it was a fair decision made by the community.

Propaganda was bidirectional in the debate. The truth???

Im happy the community spoke and made a decision. Im even happier that our new team is actioning the communities decision in a timely maner.

OK, the anti-science crowd winds again. While we’re getting rid of a demonstrably beneficial approach to health care, why don’t we get rid of vaccinations and bring back blood-letting and dousing for witches?

Glad to see we are finally stopping the practice of forced public medication against consent here in PG. Now after decades we can start to grow again as a community of healthy minded people.

Now if we can get them to ease up on the Javex they dump in the water we may have something tasty without the fluoride after bite…

Here is some “science” for you guys..

The current accepted Threshold Limit Value 8 Hour time weighted average (TLV) for fluorosilicic acid is 2.5mg per meter or 2.5mg per 1000 liters. This means that you would have to drink 1000 liters of water in an 8 hour time period to conceivably have a negative health effect. Keep in mind that TLV is based on a person in relatively good health and a person who hasn’t had chronic exposure to a substance. It is quite possible for someone to exceed the daily TLV if they are doing the following combined activities daily.
-Drinking more than 1 litre of water per day over an 8 hour period (daily minimum recommended water intake to maintain body function is 3 liters and this is well exceeded if someone I sick or is active.)
-Brushing twice per day.
-Using other oral care products.

So this begs the question. If the potential negative health consequences are minimal based on TLV then you would have to assume the positive effects are negligible as well. In other words why put fluoride or any other “chemical” other than flocculants for treatment in the water in the first place when you have other options out there and can freely choose to take those options? Its just rational from a health perspective and financial perspective.

Fluorosilicic acid is a corrosive toxic substance that is regulated under many dangerous goods and health and safety regulations and has known health effects. (did you notice the yellow WHMIS labels on the vats in the picture?). A city or government is also breaching its duty of care to citizens by knowingly adding chemicals in water (with proven and known adverse health effects) when there are people at a higher risk to a health effect based on that chemical. It’s also breaching its duty of care by not giving the citizens the option to pure water as nature had intended it. If you want fluoride in your water put it in yourself..!

I was originally for fluoride in water but I started digging into the “science” of this coming more from an occupational health and safety angle. I also grew up on well water for 10 years and have had no problems with my teeth because of proper dental care.

At the end of the day I will take the research from occupational hygienists and organizations who do research on adverse health effects and who aren’t closely linked industry sponsors unlike the dental colleges.

“So this begs the question. If the potential negative health consequences are minimal based on TLV then you would have to assume the positive effects are negligible as well”

No you actually can’t just assume that…..This is what all you “experts” that voted no are doing. Misinformation, linking unrelated things and huge leaps in logic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp_l5ntikaU

this horse is dead. quit beating on it ! The clear majority has spoken. Time to move on.

This decision ranks right up there with backtracking from HST to PST & GST. Mayor & council have little choice but to implement the wishes of the people. Gotta love direct democracy.
CL

Funny, in the link JB provided from the CBC, was yet another link that takes a person to the Harvard School of Public Health, where it states….

“Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) and China Medical University in Shenyang for the first time combined 27 studies and found strong indications that fluoride may adversely affect cognitive development in children.”

Just sayin’

Pylot: “Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) and China Medical University in Shenyang for the first time combined 27 studies and found strong indications that fluoride may adversely affect cognitive development in children.”

Nice try. Those studies are used a lot, and have been debunked because they didn’t take into consideration fluoridation at approved levels. Those studies looked at effects when the amount was way over the recommended. This is something most anti-flouridationists can’t wrap their brains around.

Love how Pylot Project cites a Harvard survey showing problems in children as a result of fluoride exposure. What Pylot somehow omitted was the fact that those exposures were at levels 20x higher than what we put in our water. Three guesses why Pylot chose to omit that fact.

Try taking 20 Tylenol instead of 1, and you could also discuss how Tylenol impairs development.

Exactly, xha44a. It’s just that type of misinformation that fooled a lot of PG residents.

@JohnnyBelt – I saw the pamphlets I know the kind of drivel and misinformation the conspiracy nuts were pushing. It was pathetic and they managed to mislead so many people to, to vote against it.

Pylot Project: The Northern Health region is a lot bigger than just Prince George.
Also, what are the other factors contributing to the dental health of the children in Calgary?

“Yeah, let’s throw away decades of study and what the medical and dental experts have to say. If council really was smart and wanted to show true leadership, that’s who they would be consulting.

Removing fluoride will prove to be penny wise and pound foolish, as demonstrated by what they’re seeing in Calgary. The people of lower SES will bear the brunt of this decision.

Just sayin'” .. weren’t you one of the first ones on here telling people who voted NDP in the last election that they lost and should just get over it? Guess what? You lost, get over it and move on.

“dousing for witches” .. what has that got to do with the medical profession? Mixing your comparisons I think, but anything to sensationalize I suppose.

“council have little choice but to implement the wishes of the people” .. oh? Since when? You do know this was a non-binding referendum, right? Politicians HAVING to implement the wishes of the people, good one, in what century?

“@JohnnyBelt – I saw the pamphlets I know the kind of drivel and misinformation the conspiracy nuts were pushing. It was pathetic and they managed to mislead so many people to, to vote against it.” .. look, JB has a new BFF, how cute.

old schooler. Getting rid of the HST was the smartest thing that voters in this Province have done in a long time. What a foolish tax.

We are still waiting with bated breath for all the terrible consequences we were supposed to be facing if this tax was rejected.

Remember??? Ontario would have an edge over BC and would get all the manufacturing and jobs,. High unemployment, business’s going broke, etc; etc;

What the referendum on the HST proved conclusively is how a Government is more than willing to pay millions of dollars for propaganda, to ensure that it gets its way. It didn’t work.

In this case. Citizens spending their OWN money, as opposed to Government money were able to show up these charlatans for what they actually are.

Best way to describe them would be **snake oil salesmen**

Huh: “weren’t you one of the first ones on here telling people who voted NDP in the last election that they lost and should just get over it? Guess what? You lost, get over it and move on.”

Huh: “look, JB has a new BFF, how cute.”

Are you jealous or something? Stalk someone else.

Ya I agree dead horse. Yet the bs just keeps flowing.

jb put some socially acceptable chemical in your body and have a good night. Its what Im doing.

cheers

This is getting too easy. I feel like a cat play with a half-dead mouse.

Dental caries in all western countries have been going down at virtual identical rates for the paste 50 years, whether the water was purposely dosed with fluoride or not.

This data is from World Health Organization Collaborating Centre for Education, Training, and Research in Oral Health, Malmö University, Sweden.

So drink up. Get your fill of toxic waste while you can. Not that it’s going to make much difference.

Just in case theres any confusion Im telling jb to have a drink, not water(that $#its poision ;-)

Good thing Northern Health offers free fluoride varnish to children under 6 eh JohnnyB? And they don’t have to swallow it! If tooth decay goes up in children blame the parents. It has been proven that proper dental care like proper brushing and flossing will do wonders. For kids 6 to 12 years old you can get dental sealants applied to the tooth! Talk to your dentist. Once again they won’t have to swallow it. People with poor habits will get cavities with or without fluoridating the water. As a matter of FACT from Northern Health own website BC dental survey of kindergarten kids province wide shows that caries free kids have increased by 6.2% since 2006-7 and those with visble decay has dropped 2.7%. How can that be when less than 3.7% of BC has artificially fluoridated water?

I get a kick out of how many right wing conservatives are in favour of flouride in the water, especially when one of their main arguments is the benefit it will provide to people of lower income. Don’t they realize that is a socialist stance?

Tanks can now be used to storing political bs.

I love the comment about taking away the chlorine too. What exactly do you expect the water to be treated with. It sounds to me like if it were up to you there’d be no water treatment. ……remember a town called Walkerton?

Well said Northman. Hydrofluorosilicic acid in the water will be no more (I hope!). PG citizens can join the other 97% of BC residents who have rejected this fallacy. There is no GD way in the world that a giant molecule like HFC acid can be metabolized in the body, and I am amazed that some “scientists” or public health doctors don’t understand that. If HFS acid cannot be metabolized (and trust me, it CAN’T) then how in the hell can drinking it affect the teeth?

jmo: “I get a kick out of how many right wing conservatives are in favour of flouride in the water, especially when one of their main arguments is the benefit it will provide to people of lower income. Don’t they realize that is a socialist stance?”

You obviously don’t get the concept of paying a little now vs. paying a lot more later.

I personally get a kick out of how many say that they’re sick of the subject, yet still click on the articles and comment on them.

Paying more later JohnyB when the trend is less and less dental caries even without fluoride? Will Northern Health step up to the plate once this fluoridation stops and promote cavity prevention in the schools? Will they post links or mail out flyers telling people what their free program for kids is about and what options people have at the dentist? I guess time will tell.

@NoWay: You obviously didn’t check out my link on what’s happening in Calgary.