It sure would be nice to know the real story on this.

Lack of money is usually the answer…

“New Fence Installed ’round Delta Hotel Site”

What does “’round’ mean?

Another lasting legacy of the former mayor and council. Before the developer was gifted the road between the library and this hotel area from the city, there should have been assurances that the financing was solid and in place.
Why did the two new hotel developments come before council on their first meeting?
We’re the developers waiting for the regime change?
If so why?

The graffiti ‘artists’ and taggers will have a field day with this.

Not enough “pre-sales” on the condo portion of the development. Condos that started at $650,000 apiece.

It is a good thing that they fast tracked the project thru the city development process. Worked thru a tough winter. Hmmmm the weather is getting warm, better shut it down.

Well that’s a few million dollars that is not giving any returns.

I think that there is a lot more to this story than what the rumour mill is processing. I think its not that there was a change in the drawings, that should have been resolved in 3-4 months.

I would to.

The most logical story I heard from people involved was they poored the wrong mpa concrete for the original structure. Now it can only support a much shorter structure.

Whatever the story is it is bad for downtown and the city.

I have heard this gong show is tied up in court and the equipment that is there has been seized. The city Of PG should inform its residents of the facts. End all speculation.

I agree with the other posters. A developer has poured a full city block (literally) of concrete, made the area a wasteland, and nothing has happened at the work-site for a full year.

Rod Mcleod and the whole group at Royal Lepage, this is making you look like fools. A formal statement on what is happening at the site has to come out. If it doesn’t come out from Rod or Royal Lepage, hopefully it comes out in the form of a legal notice from the City.

lbear: “Not enough “pre-sales” on the condo portion of the development. Condos that started at $650,000 apiece.”

To be fair, I think they were asking about $300K for the lowest priced ones. Even at that price, it shouldn’t come as a shock to anyone that the PG market wouldn’t support it.

I agree with everyone else, let’s hear what’s really happening with this development without the spin.

There is a lot of finger pointing in regards to what happened at this site. Some one (no one wants to own the responsibility and liability)screwed up and several metric tons of the wrong grade concrete were poured. So between the on again, off again, site engineer and the ready mix firm the battle continues as to who is at fault. So here we have a concrete bunker that can’t support the proposed load that is the hotel proper. Backers (money folks) backed out once news of the screw up surfaced, so without money to “fix it” and move on, here we sit with a pit full of rock, muck and metal.

Forward thinking is a real treat in Prince George, there is lots of talk but very little action. Maybe this counsel and mayor will make that change in the new year (time will tell).

As long as the developers are following the terms of their development permit they are not obliged to offer updates to the online sidewalk superintendants. The city would only become involved if there were timelines involved that were not being met, taxes fell into arrears or security fencing was removed causing safety issues.

Delta was still on board at the last press release and if things had completely gone off the rails you would think they would want to distance themselves. That being said even at 300k that would be one of the last places I would buy a condo.

On a related note, remember how long it took to complete the Signature Sandman? I think there is still a vacant space for another restaurant.

The Sandman took so long to build because there wasn’t anyone to build it. All builders where in Vancouver building for the Olympics.

$300K for a condo in PG? Are they high? No seriously.

“Contrary to rumours he’s heard, McLeod said the foundation is in good condition. Documents show it passed a final inspection by the city and earned approval from a structural engineer.”

There was a story published on some other news outlet a little while back detailing the legal woes of the development. I’d look it up for you but I’m not gus. :)

@Pylot

Brand new Townhouses are going for about that with low-end finishes. Insert high end finishes, its no inconceivable for 300k condo. Although starting them at 200K would have received better results.

ckpg.com/shedding-new-light-on-the-stalled-delta-hotel-project Copy and paste to address bar

Looks like there are timeslines and benchmarks now in place along with some liens.

I truly hope this development gets back on track, our downtown desperately needs a catalyst like this to spur other development.

It would be great if the city would direct future new hotels (Ie/Pomoroy) to be built downtown instead of on highway 97 and 16

Right with you in the hope that this gets built.

Seems there is a lien against this property in the area of $4 Million. In addition the City has a covenant attached that allow them to buy back the property if the project does not go according to schedule.

Not sure what good this covenant would be to the City, surely we do not want to become the owners of an unfinished hotel.

In any event, the City is involved in this project at some level, and I would think that they have an obligation to the taxpayers of Prince George to let us know what’s going on.

It would be interesting to know what this property was sold for, and where the money from the sale presently is. In other words is it available for purchasing the property, or has it been spent somewhere else??

I heard a couple of rumours. Take it for what it is, rumours.

First Rumour . The entire footprint of the hotel is off by 180 Degrees. The back should be the front of the hotel and the front should be the back.

Second rumour. The cost to build the hotel worked out to over $300,000 per room. This means that the rooms would need to rent for $300 plus per night. Prince George cannot support rooms as pricy as that. So, no go.

I was given the same info of the building front facing the wrong way about a year ago. I also did hear about a few concrete tests not passing the CSA Standards, but I hate to say it but it is the norm, this is the reason there are tests for every truck load poured. The cost per room is a hard one to swallow given that it could be reduced by the fixtures chosen and the finish of other areas of the hotel.

Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2014 @ 12:26 PM by monkeyseemonkeydo
The Sandman took so long to build because there wasn’t anyone to build it. All builders where in Vancouver building for the Olympics.

Guess again.
The real reason it took so long for the Signature Sandman to be built is because Sandman Inns does not hire local general or subcontractors to build their new revenue properties (except where absolutely necessary or unavoidable) They have their own superintendent, who hires and oversees local tradesmen on an hourly basis. This is why many contractors in B.C. will not patronize Sandman establishments. It takes them longer to complete a project, but they save money in the end, or so they claim.
Local contractors had the manpower available to build this Inn.

It may be true that there was some shortage of unemployed trades persons due to the Olympics, but local business was ready and willing.

metalman.

Would love to see a “Watergate” style exposé done by the Citizen on this.