Scum of the earth.

Careful Give more, you wouldn’t want to hurt the poor little darlings feelings!

Stay off the drugs, kids. Or you might end up like these losers.

I miss the good old days, When you can throw a bounty on them, and the vigilante’s would catch them before the cops would, and then have the cops take the beaten bodies to the hospital… No questions asked.

So the guys who got busted on North Nechako is release on a promise to reappear. Really, why should they be given any credit that they will reappear. They should have a wrist bracelet on, so that he can be found, and every body knows he/she is going to be charged. No promises, treat criminals like criminals.

We need a reform, and we need the will from politicians to make that change.

A permanent mark on the forehead or cheek for each conviction of a violent crime would serve to identify the anti social members of our society. Doesn’t have to be a brand, how about a bright red tattoo? Some of these creeps probably love their tattoos so give ’em more to be proud of
‘AR’ for robber, ‘R’ for rapist ‘KF’ for kiddie fiddler.

I’d advocate the lopping of fingers but we might need to put these miscreants to work to pay for their crimes………(as if)
metalman.

How come that meerholz story went mute. Did he ever get deported or what?

It appears PG is still No 1. And as long as we think that we need to increase punishment you will have crime. Its a social problem but the rednecks will not face up to that.
Cheers

And I suppose that you have the answer to eliminating crime, do you Retired 02?

metalman.

Why do you give only the block and not identify the exact location of the robbery? It’s hard to see that there is a privacy interest here or that it protects the rights of the accused at an eventual trial, and people familiar with the area can often figure it out. On the other hand, it makes it less likely that potential witnesses will report what they observed since they won’t know whether what they observed was at the right location. (Granted, if they saw people with guns running out of a store, that’s a pretty clear indication, but sometimes subtler information is useful to the police.)

“rednecks will not face up to that”, I don’t think that makes any connections to the crime that was committed.

We just need to do things to ensure that law and order is kept, We can not rely on the RCMP, because the lawyers and Trudeau took the grey area out of the system. I’m not saying that they have the right to do permanent damage or kill a suspect while under arrest, but I think giving the RCMP a bit of leeway to bring law and order is not bad thing,…. but hey, I’m a redneck so what would I know.

To a criminal, words don’t mean anything. They just become guidelines to what they can get away with. I would assume less than 3% of the population commits 97% of the crime. This 3% is known to police, have a bracelet on them. simple to track. commit a crime, earn a nice bracelet, make it out of titanium and if they want it off, well, I suppose you can cut your hand off.

I like your way of thinking, He spoke.

metalman.

crime is a social disorder. In order to reduce the “street crime” dramatically focus needs to be on the root cause of crime not retribution or punishment. Poverty, mental health, and addiction need to be addressed. We as a society need a more even distribution of wealth we also need to look at a medical model to address addiction not just for the wealthy who can afford treatment. And if you have read the news at all in the last decade you know something needs to improve in the treatment of mental health issues. There is a way to reduce crime but no will.

Retired 02 – your ignorant comment is not based on any facts, just glee that you don’t live here anymore. Why don’t you go have another drink? “CHEERS”

Right on JohnnyBelt.

Boudicca – you are so right about better models to address addiction, but I’m afraid I don’t agree with you about no will. This is a problem that has crept up on society over the last 4 decades, and will take as long to eradicate. As we all know, politicians are short term thinkers, and focus mainly on getting re-elected. So either way we are scr#*ed.

Metalman, yer gonna have the BCCLA and Pivot suing you just for thinking of doing terrible things to these misguided unfortunate belly crawling snakes of society.
And Retired, yer just jealous cause you got no snow fer Christmas.Keep right, you old fart.
Until we all talk to our MP’s and MLA’s about harsh bail conditions and sentencing (yeah, til we’re blue in the face) nothing will change.
Unfortunately the Federal Liberals and NDP will try to scuttle any bill that puts heavy pressure on the poor darlings.

Boudicca, hate to break it to you, but a lot of problems today stem from the actions and demands of bleeding hearts who are more intent on making excuses for the delinquents than doing anything about the problem. For example, Riverview in Coquitlam was closed because the bleeding hearts took issue with the institutionalization of the mentally ill. This resulted in many of our mentally ill finding their way to East Van and the problems in that neighborhood!

Our system will be very unlikely to change as there are far too many social service agencies and providers making very good livings of off the poor and the downtrodden!

The BCCLA and Pivot Legal Society to name a few!

Had a fellow come up to me today in the parking lot of the mall and ask if I had any spare change because he hadn’t eaten in ‘a few days’. I informed him the St. Vincent de Paul serves meals for free downtown and he quickly lost interest in me after that.

Huh: “How come that meerholz story went mute. Did he ever get deported or what?”

Last I heard, Meerholz, his brother and his buddies are still gaming the system and are still in PG making the headlines from time to time for various misadventures. And laughing at everyone in the process.

Hunt them down..prosecute them to the full extent of the law.. No internet, cable TV, weight rooms, take away right to vote, no early release.. No reduction in crime due to some pathetic excuse of bad upbringing etc. time to start bringing down the hammer.. All the hugs in the world won’t help.

Few criminals think of the penalties associated with their crimes, their immediate situation is all that matters. In Canada crimes of this sort generally do not have an instant penalty associated with them, the worse that can happen is Rin Tin Tin might have a bit of fun. So , I think that this trio is not that desperate but took the easy way for some party cash or indebted to some one. Long prison sentences and banning of substances are not the answer ( proven not to be a deterrent). Threating a life (as in armed robbery) does require that the person be removed from society for a while and possibly monitored in the future.

P Val you are so way off the mark it makes me wonder if you have any empathy at all.

lbear, actually I think that more of us agree with P Val than agree with you!!

I have little sympathy or empathy for drug addicts! I didn’t put the needle in their arm, I didn’t get to share in whatever joy or euphoria that they experienced by getting stoned, but I get to pay taxes to support their social safety net! I suppose that I should be thrilled about that, right?

Personal responsibility! That’s my motto, words to live by! Sadly, too many in our society feel that it’s fine to abdicate that responsibility and instead adopt a victim complex identity!!

Yes, I know, I’m a big fat meanie!!

No Hart Guy, I don’t blame you at all for your opinions. You are not a meanie. But children who have been raised without the discipline of a good father figure have a poor start in life and often resort to drugs and violence.

All of the focus is on the criminal and nothing on the victim. All the focus on the poor criminal and no concern for the hard working taxpayer who is funding their bad behavior. Sorry, deal with the problem.

Get them working for the good of the community instead of stealing from them and making the taxpayers pay for their choice of lifestyle. Don’t just let them go back to their current lifestyle and bog down our justice system.

I can guarantee you that 80% of all of our crime is committed by 20% of the known criminals in our community. I would like to suggest to our enforcers and legal system apply 80% of their efforts to eliminate the 20% who create 80% of our problems in our community.

This will make a huge impact on the crime in our community. Then when these 20% are contained and out of service, spend 80% of your resources to figure out why they behave the way they do. Good luck.

Ibear, empathy.. Why yes I do.. For every victim out there. Do I have empathy for criminals..no.. They choose to break the law. It’s a choice they made…knowing its against the law but did it anyway.. But the victims.. They didn’t have a choice now did they.. Bleeding hearts worry only about the criminals..not the victims….

IBear.. You show your lack of knowledge of the topic with your statement of ” without the discipline of a good father figure”

Ibear: I have seen personally and know of many others, families raised with the love and dedication of both parents, where one child is dedicated to go his or her own way, against the grain, regardless of all the love and discipline given them. They even turn against their brothers and sisters. Tell me why that is?

Some people, it seems, are just born bad. Until they come to that realisation all by themselves, or someome later in life can get through to them and some do, they will always be that way. There is no institution that can ‘correct’ them. It has been this way since Adam and Eve with their son Cain.
The only thing that can be done with them is to hand out suitable punishments when they do wrong and publicly identify them so others can be aware.

You can take all the psychologists and psychiatrists and social workers and put them on an island to treat each other for all the good they can do in these cases.

These miscreants need incarceration equal to their crimes to protect society in general or to pay restitution to ther victims, to stay out of jail. We never hear of restitution it seeem these days, or very rarely. It would be a big help if more of that were dished out.

In the case of rapists, murderers and child molesters, jail is much too good for them. The only proven cure for a rapist is the cat o’ nine tails or the noose. We don’t use those any more. Pity.

So until we come to our senses about the real administration of justice, I’m afraid that we are doomed to wallow in the filth that we have created and just keep shovelling it out as best we can.

I think you have to look at each case separately. You can’t treat someone who just fell in with the wrong crowd and made a bad decision one night the same way as you would treat an habitual offender. If they are continually in trouble with the law then clearly whatever punishment or lack of has been given them, isn’t working and it’s time to take stronger measures. But if it’s a whimsical mistake on one night of stupidity, throwing them in with hardened criminals is just going to put them in a place where a lot of disdain and anger is focused towards society in general, and they would come out, more than likely, more jaded and liable to repeat offend.

lbear how can you group people like that? I had two children that did not have “the discipline of a good father figure” in their lives and I was a single mom living on bare necessity, but I spent time with my children and between the school and I we educated them on what being a good citizen means, they are not addicted to drugs or alcohol and are now grown, hard working tax paying citizens. They were taught right from wrong, consequences and how to make good choices. They made the choice to make the right decisions, could have easily went the other way.

Give More and threjsmom, you’re last comments are extremely valid! Well said to both of you!!