C’mon Horgan, you woulda done the same thing. Guess you gotta have something to bitch about.

Best job is being in the opposition, can bitch and complain all you want, say how things would be sooooo much better if they were in charge… But it is true about the cost of MSP etc… Seniors on limited income are feeling abused by this gov.

With this Liberal government I could expect nothing more Chrispie and her flock are a joke , who ever would vote for a Liberal ?????

P Val. The reason seniors are feeling abused by this Government is because they are being abused.

I know palopu, my father lives in my suite as he couldnt afford to,live alone after the amount it costs to keep my mom in a seniors home.

Okay Horgoon show us what your plan would be. Easy to be a critic harder to come up with a solution.

Well at least Clark can take her kid with her on her drinking outings.

bcracer: You just crossed the line of respectful comments. Can you explain what you have just posted – with factual comments!

I don’t get it. Everybody wants their free healthcare, their free education, their free this that and the other thing. Does no one understand that it’s really not free? There is no magical money tree.

I’ve lived (barely!) through the NDP years and I can only hope there are enough of us around who remember those days and continue to vote to make sure that never happens again.

The Liberals ain’t great but I’ll take the lesser of two evils any day.

As for MSP, they should charge based on usage instead of the current flat fee.

Fedup2015: Apparently a lot of people voted for her. The thinking ones anyway.

axman: well said. I too, remember several reigns of the NDP. Pretty sad times for B.C.

Once again off loading the tax burden onto the middle class. For all you clowns that bemoan the bad ole days of NDP YOU CONVENIENT LY LEAVE OUT the fact oil was $25/barrel and metals like copper and gold were historically low levels. I’m not particularly party loyal but consider the facts before you spew your idiocy.

Governments do make budgets that include the borrowing of a certain amount of money (to be added to the total debt) and the anticipated amount of taxes collected to be used for planned expenditures.

If the budget balances income and expenditures for the time period as well when there was no additional borrowing (to be added the total debt) they call it a balanced budget.

Smoke and mirrors in real world thinking of course but governments also consider government loans which have not been repaid yet as assets rather than outstanding debt liabilities.

The NDP in BC used to keep two different kinds of financial books which made it even more difficult for the ordinary Joe or Jane to figure out what was going on.

Well played Prince George. We don’t need a govt that bends just to labour or the wealthy. We need a govt that looks into the future with solid plans. Taxes like em or not are the foundation to a stable society. They allow the building of roads to move goods within our district and beyond. They provide educational facilities to support a diverse workforce that’s appealing to international investors. And provide healthcare for folks that need it. And we will all need care at some point. What I find puzzling is election cycle after cycle the only voices we here above all the rest is that of the wealthy minority. Wah wah. Pay ur taxes and make this country better.

I have lived through 2 NDP governments and I will never ever support them in anything the NDP has done everything possible to screw up this province

Lots of comments knocking the messenger (NDP) but not the message. “In 2000, most BC households paid about the same total tax rate, with households in the top 10% and top 1% paying a little more. By 2010, however, the tax system had become regressive, with the richest 20% of households paying a lower total tax rate than the rest of us.” ~ Canadian Center for Policy Alternatives

It’s the pampers and entitled richest among us that are getting the tax breaks now, but not to worry, if the government does crack down on the silver spoon in mouth entitled, they will just go to the HSBC Bank of Canada to arrange for their income and assets to be hidden in off-shore tax shelter accounts. Why should the filthy rich have to pay taxes that only apply to us average Joes and Janes?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/hsbc-documents-show-bank-helped-clients-hide-billions-from-tax-man-1.2950062

It is time to stop blaming the NDP for the disasters the BC Liberals are bringing to this province. If they attack the BC Liberals, they are attacked for attacking the Libs. If they aren’t aggressive enough, a very subjective opinion, the NDP are attacked for being to meek. _I have heard several reports and interviews where the NDP pointed out the flaws in the omitted issues the Libs have since brought forward. I attended NDP rallies during the election campaign where the NDP slammed the liberal performance. None of that was reported, in fact the MSM did not even attend these political events. Nor did a lot of you. The public did not hear what the NDP was saying due to this boycott. And most of you missed it as well. These policies, HST (one commented the “horse sh*t tax”), IPP’s, cutbacks to health and education etc. were not discussed during the campaign by the Liberals, but the NDP did raise them._Blame the liberals for their own short comings.
As Kim Pollock from The Tyee stated in “FailedTaxCuts”
“The Liberal record in these departments actually trails that of the previous government. While the New Democrats were in office between 1991 and 2001, manufacturing output grew by 88 per cent. Excluding the forest sector, growth was 106 per cent during that decade. Since then, manufacturing growth fell to just one per cent, while non-forest sector manufacturing saw growth of just 30 per cent.”

Some people will always vote the same way and talk about things that happened forty years ago.When you look at the way we have been dumped on and lied to in the last ten years maybe it is time to change your train of thought. Political parties are like a dirty diapers and should be changed regular.

” Political parties are like a dirty diapers and should be changed regular.”

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The only problem with this analogy is that we only have 2 diapers to chose from and they’re both soiled. So we rinse the less soiled one out and hope for the best.

Now if the Greens could elect a leader worth following and develop a platform that has some substance they might be a viable third option.

Heck, let’s bring back the Rhinos. I liked their plan to tow Baffin Island down south so that Canada could have it’s own vacation wonderland.

Heck, let’s bring back the Rhinos. I liked their plan to tow Baffin Island down south so that Canada could have it’s own vacation wonderland.

axman– No need to worry we have already been promised that with LNG.

I remember a little party that had something like 8 or 12 ridings they were going for in the prairies can’t remember their party name but they wanted to dig a trench between Manitoba and Ontario and physically separate east from west.

Would of never flown but damn that was an interesting party platform.
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” Political parties are like a dirty diapers and should be changed regular.”

This is a very true statement but like so many things the choices you are given you are damned if you do and damned if you don’t

Astro:”It is time to stop blaming the NDP for the disasters the BC Liberals are bringing to this province. If they attack the BC Liberals, they are attacked for attacking the Libs.”

Well, I haven’t seen any evidence that anyone is blaming the NDP for the “disasters” which are being perpetrated now by the Liberals! Every party while in power created and creates its own “disasters”, some minor some major! If it is fair game to point out the “disasters” of one party it is also fair to point out the “disasters” of the other one!

Fans of all parties hate it when past blunders done by their own darlings are mentioned. If a party was out of power for a very long time, one can only refer to the blunders it created when it was in power for the last time, even if it was a decade or more ago!

That is just the way it is.

Astro

I work in the forest sector and I will tell you under the current liberal government our industry has actually rebounded and flourished I cannot say the same for Mike Clark’s government when it was in power we struggled to stay afloat and keep mills open under the reign of the NDP

Hmmm… I read through John Horgan’s message one more time, and for the life of me, I cannot find any part of his message to be false or untrue.

1. Under the Christy Clark government the rich are being taxed less than in the past;

2. MSP premiums have doubled;

3. Hydro rates have sky rocketed;

4. BC Ferry fares have risen exponentially;

5. Camping fees have doubled.

*scratches head* I guess some people just can’t handle the truth.

Hmmm… I read through John Horgan’s message one more time, and for the life of me, I cannot find any part of his message to be false or untrue.

1. Under the Christy Clark government the rich are being taxed less than in the past;

2. MSP premiums have doubled;

3. Hydro rates have sky rocketed;

4. BC Ferry fares have risen exponentially;

5. Camping fees have doubled.

*scratches head* I guess some people just can’t handle the truth.

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1. So are the middle class. I quite like having more in my pocket then I did previously.

2. Still doesn’t cover the cost of our Health care system. Doesn’t even come close.

3. Lots of cost associated with bring power to the people. We’re still a lot cheaper then a lot of places.

4. I don’t think you know what “exponentially” means.

5. Personally, I don’t mind paying for what I use. User fees -in my opinion- are a very good idea. You want it, you pay for it.

Why do we keep voting the Liberals in? Are the majority of voters stupid, or are they voting in the better of two evils?
Too many old memories? One governing party worse than the other.
Guessing there was just too much stuff in the other diaper, LOL
True democracy at work.

Axman states; “Personally, I don’t mind paying for what I use. User fees -in my opinion- are a very good idea. You want it, you pay for it.” Personally I don’t mind paying for what I use either axman, but why should I pay double the camping fees to stay in a less than pristine park?

May I remind you that the BC Liberal government passed Bill 4, the Park Amendment Act, which now opens the door for industrial incursions into provincial parklands including energy extraction, construction of pipelines and industry-led research? Why should we pay double camping fees to pitch our tents, or park our motor-homes, next to a pipeline or open pit mine? Thanks BC Liberals!!!

Oh, and axman, I did use the term “exponential” correctly… here is an exponential function graph which clearly shows the rise in BC Ferry fares when the Y axis denotes cost and the X axis denotes time. Thanks again BC Liberals!!!

http://mathinsight.org/media/image/image/exponential_function_two_to_x.png

Axman states; “Personally, I don’t mind paying for what I use. User fees -in my opinion- are a very good idea. You want it, you pay for it.” Personally I don’t mind paying for what I use either axman, but why should I pay double the camping fees to stay in less than a pristine park?

May I remind you that the BC Liberal government passed Bill 4, the Park Amendment Act, which now opens the door for industrial incursions into provincial parklands including energy extraction, construction of pipelines and industry-led research? Why should we pay double camping fees to pitch our tents, or park our motor-homes, next to a pipeline or open pit mine? Thanks BC Liberals!!!

Oh, and axman, I did use the term “exponential” correctly… an exponential function graph would clearly shows the rise in BC Ferry fares when the Y axis denotes cost and the X axis denotes time. Thanks again BC Liberals!!!

Axman. User fee’s for health care. Hmmmm. Shows your really thinking to-day.

Lets take a single person who has cancer, and is bedridden, and will be sick and unable to work for many years. Now lets tell him that we can not treat him unless he pays his user fee’s which of course would be in the hundreds of thousands. Hmmmm. Way to go man,

If you are in favour of user fee’s, then I suggest that you apply for the job to collect the fee’s.

Palopu don’t see the user fees for camping correlation to health care. Like the user fee for swimming in the pool, doesn’t have anything to do with health care, point 2 is on health care from what I read.

Cluestick – what would these points of yours read if the NDP was in office?

Clueless aka clue stick

As a person who started with nothing, worked up to middle class, up to the top 20%, up to the top 10% , up to the top 5% , and then top the top 1% over a 40 year working life….. You are welcome for my tax dollars supporting your sorry ass! I’m fed up with you lazy pieces of sh#t criticizing people who actually attained a goal and didn’t laze their life away! This is B.C. , Canada!!!!! If you’re not in the top 20% it is your own fault!

slinky- and who uses a hypothetical to make what point? Hey look,,, a squirrel.

Thanks for taking the gloves off cougs79, mind if I reciprocate?

Everyone should watch this 3 minute video, and then ask the question; who is the bigger person here, the homeless man in the video, or cougs79? My “money” is on the homeless man. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/04/homeless-lottery-winner-prank_n_4898546.html

Here is another 3 minute video, just to drive the point home cougs79. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPdqtktkZn0

I like people who have that “human” quality about themselves, those are the people I look up to the most… don’t you agree cougs79?

Thanks for taking the gloves off cougs79, mind if I reciprocate?

Everyone should watch this 3 minute video, and then ask the question; who is the bigger person here, the homeless man in the video, or cougs79? My “money” is on the homeless man.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/04/homeless-lottery-winner-prank_n_4898546.html

Imagine that, a homeless man wins all that money and the first thing he wants to do is share it. It’s a setup of course, but the homeless man doesn’t know it. I like people who have a “human” quality about themselves, those are the people I most look up to… don’t you agree cougs79?

Thanks for taking the gloves off cougs79, mind if I reciprocate?

Anyone see the video about the generous homeless man that went viral on the Internet? Yup, an 3 minute video anyone can watch just Google “Generous homeless man”. Imagine that, a homeless man is given a winning ticket and the first thing he does, beside crying, is to try and share the winnings with the guy who gave him the ticket.

I really like that homeless man, and the person who gave him the lottery ticket. Maybe it’s the “human” qualities they possess and the compassion they display that attracts the millions of people who have viewed their video. Imagine possessing that “human” quality cougs79?

Ooops, the viral video is titled; “Homeless Lottery Winner video” it has over 20 million views.

Sorry I had to “cluestick” you cougs79.