You wont get my vote.

Won’t get my vote either.

The following quote is from a recent op-ed article by Grant Mitchell, Roméo Dallaire, and Hugh Segal:

“Internationally, our Five Eyes intelligence allies (Australia, New Zealand, the UK, and the U.S.) and the majority of our NATO colleagues, all have oversight capability on national security matters. Their systems of governance allow for cleared legislators to evaluate the effectiveness of their government’s decisions, resources, training and plans. The absence of oversight in Canada is rather unusual among Western democracies and presents a glaring difference between us and our allies.”

Canada’s national security agencies need parliamentary oversight

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2015/05/17/canadas-national-security-agencies-need-parliamentary-oversight.html

“The second fallacy is that there is judicial oversight in this bill, because judges are involved in one section.”

Elizabeth May makes impassioned speech against Bill C-51

http://www.nationalobserver.com/2015/05/07/news/elizabeth-may-makes-impassioned-speech-against-bill-c-51

“Government supporters defend Bill C-51 as providing for “checks and balances” through judicial oversight. Here’s why this claim is false.”

Catherine Morris: Bill C-51 perverts the rule of law

http://www.straight.com/news/439296/catherine-morris-bill-c-51-perverts-rule-law

Ah yes, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms will save us from your illegal legislation, until you use it to suspend due process and the rule of law when a police force that operates without oversight decides it’s necessary.

If you really want to protect Canadians, amend your foreign policy. The only thing that scares me is neo liberal leadership, not terrorists. It’s time for you to go.

Zimmer, you need to resign, you are living in an imaginary world.

Thanks to those posted above! I am seeing more and more citizens refusing to listen to the defense of oppressive bills that really do nothing but justify the spending of tax payers’ money on more invasive surveillance and holding people without cause. There were ten young men picked up in Montreal yesterday who are being held without charge — just under suspicion because they were flying to Turkey.

It really gives me hope that the upcoming election will see more Canadians than ever out there voting to rid our country of oppressive leaders.

If you want to see what “oppressive leaders” really look like just wait until you replace Harper with either Trudeau or Mulcair.

Socredible has it right.

In any event I seriously doubt that any of the above voters voted for the Conservatives in the first place. So its not as if they are actually losing any votes.

If I was an NDP lefter I would spend more time worrying about how many seats the NDP will lose in Quebec, rather than threating not to vote for Harper.

As Zimmer says, most of the opposition to this bill comes directly from the NDP, Greens, and some Liberals, and its all about the next election.

Any issue that boosts their slim chances of picking up some votes, becomes a conspiracy.

It doesn’t matter who wins, if they get a majority government we will be in exactly the same mess we are in now…
majority government means they can do as they like when they like to whom they like whenever they like and for as long as they like, with impunity.

There’s another side to this coin: not only does bill C-51 infringe on civil liberties but it is questionable whether the additional powers that it provides are necessary to fight terrorism effectively. The Harper government has not made much of an argument for the need for these increased powers. Notice, for example, that several would-be terrorists have been caught recently before they did any damage without the availability of the additional powers provided by bill C-51.

Charles, Elizabeth May, really.

Viv Turkey is the gateway into isil Territory So I would think suspicions would be raised if they fit the ccharacteristics. I am sure their families would be grateful they where stopped.

“I am sure their families would be grateful they where stopped.”

It was their families who turned them in.

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Those of you who think Harper (et al) are better and have your interests at heart need to get their heads out of the 1950s and into the modern age. Harper wants you all to lay back and think of the Queen. I’d rather roll the dice with anybody else than a Reformer.. cough cough… Conservative.

According to Bob Zimmer, the voice of the people is just hype?
Wow, talk about holy representation, batman!

Parrot noises from the well whipped backbench . How’s your cheap guns , pro gun smuggling private members bill going Bob ? Anything to undermine the United Nations , eh .

Hey Bob; The following is a truncated list of people and organizations who have come out against Bill C-51: Former Liberal and Progressive Conservative Prime Ministers Jean Chretien, Paul Martin, Joe Clark, and John Turner; several retired Supreme Court Justices and Ministers of Justice; more than 100 Canadian law professors; The Canadian Bar Association; Privacy Commissioner Daniel Therrien along with every provincial territorial privacy commissioner in Canada except New Brunswick; BC Premier Christy Clark; The Government of Quebec; former NDP leader Ed Broadbent; former Saskatchewan Premiere Roy Romanow; National security law experts Craig Forcese and Kent Roach; Internet law expert Michael Geist; editorial boards of the Globe and Mail, National Post, Toronto Star, (list goes on); environmental groups; labour unions; civil liberties groups; the Assembly of First Nations; National Firearms Association; Canadian Constitution Foundation; Conservative MP Michael Chong; ex-Conservative MP Brent Rathegber; Conrad Black; Ralph Nader; Rex Murphy; David Suzuki; Edward Snowden and Glenn Greenwald; and too many others to list here.

So who are we to believe Bob… you, or a rather lengthy list of organizations and “experts” who have publicly denounced this anti-democratic, freedom and rights trampling, piece of legislation?

There’s a reason why Mr. Zimmer wont take any interviews on this legislation, only replies and statements via email that have been vetted by the CPC communications team.

2 Questions for Mr. Zimmer. How many people in Canada died last year as a result of foreign terrorist activity in Canada? How many people in Canada died last year as a result of moose attacks?

Sophic Sage, those people just can’t see through the “myths”, LOL.

Interesting how new posters pop up on anything political and then nothing anywhere else.

I agree with Socredible, two very lousy alternatives in politics.

What surprises me, if this bill is bad, that the Liberals voted in favor of it.

charles resembles Bob Zimmer. No opinion of their own.

Freedom of speech is protected by the Constitution Bob says. I am sure the government scientists that are still employed would agree with that. lol

“If you want to see what “oppressive leaders” really look like just wait until you replace Harper with either Trudeau or Mulcair.” (socredible).

What is the historical evidence (proof) to give any validity to your prediction, because that is all it is: An opinion! However, Harper’s methods of ruling are wellknown and backed up by evidence! So based on that I say let’s have one of the other two have a go at it, since I obect to having every step of my life put under the microscope.

Mulcair does not support it and Trudeau will modify it when elected.

Bill C-51 will only affect dishonest people and terrorist. If your squawking about it, it is because you have something to hide. Clean up your act and you will be fine.

If your squawking about it, it is because you have something to hide

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Yes, because you are either with the terrorists or you are with us. Or was that the child molesters? I can’t seem to keep all of this nonsense straight anymore.

Prince George, did Harper, whose government benefitted from, and was clearly in favour of, the HST, *force* British Columbia to retain that tax after it was in place? He did not. He let the good people of BC decide for themselves whether or not they wanted to have it. How do you think Trudeau or Mulcair would’ve behaved if they’d been in Harper’s place? Would either one of those tax happy leaders, salivating at the prospect of all the additional revenues they’d be getting via the HST, and all the goodies they could bribe us to vote for them by promising with that extra revenue to partially pay for, stayed as completely “un-oppressive” as Stephen Harper did throughout that whole episode? I hardly think so!

Hey Bob Zimmerman; If CSIS can already eavesdrop on a lawyer’s phone call with his client (which is considered privileged and confidential information), what will CSIS be able to do after Bill C-51?

Bill C-51 Goes Too Far

Socredible ,that’s just plain old diversion . harper unopressive ? He had NO choice . That’s how referendum works . The libs ,ndp , gpc would be no different because they would also have no say .

If our govt oversteps its bounds “the people” can fix their wagons good. Can’t we?

“Bill C-51 will only affect dishonest people and terrorist. If your squawking about it, it is because you have something to hide. Clean up your act and you will be fine.”

— sniff sniff — Anybody else smell the stench of McCarthyism in that comment?

You call Harper “oppressive”, but isn’t it a fact that there has been far less ‘separatist’ sentiment under his government ~ not only from Quebec, but also from the West ~ than there ever was under any of the former Liberal PMs. Even Newfoundland’s Danny William’s tiff with Harper over offshore oil was short lived. Obviously his form of “oppression” doesn’t seem to evoke the same desire for various parts of the country to go off on their own to get out from under the domination of Ottawa over their own affairs. Obviously his form of “oppression” doesn’t evoke the same feeling that Ottawa is ever increasingly in your pocket for more and more taxes. I don’t see too much to object to over that form of “oppression”. But maybe some on here want a country divided against itself, that can only be held together by some strong-arm tactics of a great leader with a cult-like following, and a constant trammeling of provincial rights as the Federal government gets into more and more areas reserved for the Provinces. And maybe those same people like the idea of higher taxes, not realising, of course, that THEY’LL be the ones REALLY paying them!

Ah, Brother Gecko, which disturbs you the most? What old Joe McCarthy got wrong? Or what he got right?

ataloss (still):- “Socredible ,that’s just plain old diversion . harper unopressive ? He had NO choice . That’s how referendum works . The libs ,ndp , gpc would be no different because they would also have no say .”
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Really? Harper was asked whether he would interfere to enforce the deal which the Gordon Campbell government had made with the Federal government enabling the HST – well BEFORE the name collecting Petition process was complete, and its results uncertain. There were many in the business community here, no doubt strong Conservative supporters, who were hoping he’d say he would, that a deal was a deal, and there was no going back to the GST/PST regime. But he didn’t interfere, he said it was up to the people of BC to decide. That tax, the HST, if we’re to believe former Finance Minister Carole Taylor, would net the Federal Treasury as much additional tax revenue in each year, every year, as the ONE TIME billion dollar bribe Campbell’s government accepted to bail them out of the Owelympics financial fiasco! I don’t think you’d have ever seen young Trudeau or Mulcair ever give up the prospects of getting their hands on that kind of money every year.

What is missed is that at first it will be our allies that will be subject to the worst intrusions by our intelligence agency.

As it is Bill C-51 allows our intelligence agencies to spy on our allies and even break the domestic laws of our allies to gain intelligence. It can do this without parliamentary oversight. So in a way its a do around for all the crooks in the other five-eyes that want to spy on their own populations using the absence of rule of law in Canada to make it happen.

When one has a government that not only promotes apartheid in Israel/Palestine, but also threatens to use anti racism laws against church organizations that want to boycott the practice… when they shout down international treaties, so they can arm a civil war brought on by a coup in the Ukraine, without accountability… when they have cabinet members that fund raise for Ukrainian neo nazi groups banned in Europe… when they formulate every policy to work for big oil and globalist banktsers against the rule of law… when its a government that is selling the free enterprise infrastructure for the agri business to the control of the Saudi monopoly capitalists… when they manipulate the actual election laws to make their election fraud hidden from accountability…
then its not a stretch to think they are not going to use Bill C-51 for political insider maneuvering on anyone that challenges the elite establishment.

Its the way they set it all up after all… to protect the globalist elite more so than to protect the Canadian public.

Zimmer is just there to do what he is told. He’s happy to be a patsy for gun smugglers, and hiding out in a bomb shelter to give propaganda cover to Israeli war crimes… the guy obviously doesn’t have the ability to think for himself the implications of his own legislation and actions (its all just hype), much less put forward a private members bill that contributes to his riding in any meaningful way.

Dumbfounded:-“If our govt oversteps its bounds “the people” can fix their wagons good. Can’t we?”
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I’ll bet you right now if EVERY piece of legislation already enacted and on the books as a Law were ever enforced literally the majority of us could be charged with some criminal or civil offence. And quite likely a good many of us could be convicted, or forced out of business by the additional costs of compliance. There is always a danger that any government that “has it in for someone” can make life a living hell for that person simply by enforcing some Law as it is written. So why, pray tell, if a government already has this power, and can use it, (and no doubt if it can, it could certainly be tempted to, as has happened in the USA, Britain, and elsewhere), do we fret so much over Bill C-51? Yes, if a government oversteps its bounds “the people” can indeed fix their wagons good. So are they going to do that? The government, I mean? Tempest in a teapot. Why don’t you all focus on the REAL problem ~ a financial system that fails to properly REFLECT reality ~ and stop worrying about what isn’t worth worrying about until it is.

What are you talking about Socredible… Harper tried to use a billion dollars of Canadian tax dollars to bribe his way around a political process that would legitimately involve our democratic process.

He got called out on it by people that weren’t about to be fooled by a liar. It wasn’t generosity that forced him to relinquish his Orwellian tax plan, but rather constitutional powers under the BC government lead.

Eagle wrote : much less put forward a private members bill that contributes to his riding in any meaningful way. : exactly ! That’s what I was asking when I asked . What have you done for your riding ? Show us the money . So far as I can see he hasn’t even delivered a gazebo . Ideology doesn’t put bread on the table . The old vote for the party in power mantra doesn’t quite wash in the upper Frazier , does it ?

ANY Federal government would love to have EVERY Provincial government enrolled in the HST, Eagle. Harper’s was no exception. There is a substantial net transfer of revenue from the Province to the Federal government under HST. Gordon Campbell was a very poor financial manager, (and an utterly lousy Premier), and his policy of mistaking what really amounted to pure inflation for a return of prosperity through government stimulus spending like the Owelympics left his government in a spot where they were going to be caught short when other expected revenues failed to materialise. Especially in the face of costs which continue to escalate. Ergo, the BC Liberal’s flip-flop on the HST, and the attraction of the billion dollar bribe from Harper’s government. Which would have been likely offered no matter who was in power Federally. The only thing is, Harper didn’t insist the deal go ahead when it was clear there was going to be public opposition. He didn’t interfere. He left it up to the people of BC to decide what they wanted to do. I don’t think that would have been the case if either Trudeau or Mulcair had been PM. Trudeau, I believe, WOULD have interfered.

Eagleone:-“As it is Bill C-51 allows our intelligence agencies to spy on our allies and even break the domestic laws of our allies to gain intelligence.”
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Just think, Eagle, if that’s true we can finally beat the Zionists at their own game!

socredible wrote… “which disturbs you the most? What old Joe McCarthy got wrong? Or what he got right?”

What did Joseph McCarthy do wrong? LOL! That’s rich.

Let’s start with book burning, chasing after “Commies” that didn’t exist in the USA, or waging his holy anti-homosexual witch-hunt. I’m not really sure, what do you think is his glory?

He was compared to Adolf Hitler by fellow Republican Senator Ralph Flanders, who also introduced the resolution to have him censured.

But you think he did some good things. Alrighty then. That’s like saying Hitler wasn’t so bad because he introduced modern health care.

Except socredible the problem with that assumption is that its the zionists like Netanyahu that are using Canada as their stooge, and not in any way Canada working to hold Israel to account.

Israel used Canadian passports when they commit assassinations or need to infiltrate hostile countries, they use Canadian consulates (Amman Jordan) to communicate with their isis agents (like the guy that smuggled the British girls), they control most of the telecom spyware technology Canadian intelligence agencies will use, and they have their own independent direct line to Canadian intelligence through treaties Harper signed with Netanyahu on intelligence sharing (some would say its the legal framework that allows their intelligence agencies to run ours as a cut out).

Joe McCarthy was at his zenith when he kept his promise and returned to liberate the Philippines from the Japanese.

He was the take charge kind of guy that was needed to win WW2 in the Pacific and he was probably right that America should have continued the war on the side against the communist in China. We will all rue the blow back from that failed opportunity. He went as far as he could go and came up short (politically, and then on the battle field)… ironically it was the Canadian soldier that saved his legacy from one that would have included the complete lose of the American Army in Korea.

What Joe McCarthy called a communist, some would also say is true of a bolshevik, a kazar, hun, a bankster globalist, an occult society for world control, some would say what McCarthy called a communist was really the first of the neo-cons that all seem to have a hidden agenda to subvert open democracy for a zionist/bankster world order of total control.

Problem was McCarthy was willing to sacrifice what made America America in order to fight the infection, no different than Harper and his war on isis today.

I think you’re confusing Senator Joe McCarthy with General Douglas MacArthur, Eagle.

I think you are right socredible….

Eagleone:-“Except socredible the problem with that assumption is that its the zionists like Netanyahu that are using Canada as their stooge, and not in any way Canada working to hold Israel to account. ”
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Eagle, Canada can’t hold Israel to account. Any frontal attack on Zionism is doomed to failure. Not only that, every direct condemnation of it by any government or organisation anywhere only makes the ‘visible’ side of it ever stronger. That is the irony of the situation where people like yourself would sooner see a Trudeau or a Mulcair in place of Harper. While they’re condemning the ‘visible’ actions of Israel, they’re both furthering the aims of the ‘invisible’ side of Zionism, which is capable of doing MORE damage to national sovereignties everywhere in the furtherance of its internationalist financial agenda. Zionism will defeat itself. It will happen because of the nature of its protagonists ~ they don’t work well out in the open, where they can be seen. Even when they’re successful that way, they can’t resist the tendency to brag about their superiority. And that’s what will bring them down.

Hey Bob Zimmer; your government’s controversial anti-terror bill is plummeting in public opinion polls. A lot of reputable organizations and experts have gone on record; concerned Bill C-51 is too vague and too broad, and that it will erode civil liberties and result in unintended consequences. In response to this, your government had a choice between one of two courses of action:

1. Acknowledge their concerns and work speedily to improve the bill; or
2. Claim there is a “widespread misinformation” campaign of “conspiracy theories” at work and that your critics have not bothered to “read the bill”?

Having read your response to Peter Ewart’s opinion editorial, we now realize which course of action your government decided to take!