Good for the neighbourhood.

I keep saying this planning department needs to be restructured and have some certified planners that know how to do the job and investigate the areas concerned.

The city does not even have enough water pressure in that area to service the lot for fire protection.

Why does planning keep saying they support the applicants when planning themselves know there is more than a few problems?

Put commercial establishments where the city has allocated commercial!

Looks like the Haldi people have done a good job showing this city people need to wake up and start speaking out for their neighbourhoods. I see the property in Haldi is listed as Commercial property. Guess they are not out of the woods yet either.

Honestly,

maybe this wasn’t the perfect opportunity for this piece of land, but now the residents will have to deal with an overgrown old golf course?

This land will be sold, and if it is intended to stay commercial recreational I am not sure what else can go here? Paint Ball course? Go Kart track?

Would the residents be allowing of a subdivision?

Woodys may have been the lesser of all evils.

Why cant the developer take it out to the Hart ? Why is the city trying so hard to put everything to the west of the city ?

I agree with phje! The owners want to sell Yellowhead and move on, so something else will come along that may better meet the requirements but be more distasteful! Now the owners will be motivated to sell and get away from their neighbours.

Wow, I could think of much worse neighbors to have than an RV sales lot. I will be interested to see when it sells who the new neighbor will be…

More reasons our town never grows…

For a big development such as an RV lot the idea would be to get customers to come to your lot. If there was no plan to fix up the access to the area why bother wasting money on the development in the first place? It’s an RV lot and it would probably see more traffic than the golf course over a period of time.

It just sounds like the area needs a new road. These damn business owners always expect a city to dish out money to fix up a road because it’ll help save money for the business owner. That’s not how it works.

Why is no one bringing up the obvious? The homeowners, new and old, in that area must be crushed to think that they have settled and invested in a beautiful, serene little area with a pleasant little golf course, and to think that such an eye sore could be stablished there. The golf course will be sorely missed, it’s really unfortunate it shut down.

The golf course owner sold one half of the golf course already to the RV company way ahead of the game.

The ex golf course owner, Keith, has a contract with the city of Prince George to run Pine Valley Golf Course.

City planners knew that the highways would not OK and access off of the highway a long time ago.

Some should do their research first………….

“Why cant the developer take it out to the Hart ? Why is the city trying so hard to put everything to the west of the city ?”

I don’t think the city is pushing for this, but developers have favoured properties in the west. The hart is also a weird mismatch of light industry/retail/residential, all within a stones throw of each other. Not very visually appealing when driving the highway.

A continuation of the saga that began post amalgamation.
Home owners and businesses that must remit taxes to the city for an area that has not received the full benefit of city services. Even down to the sub-standard roads in the area, all these years later, with an elementary school built 40 years ago, and no sidewalks, gutters, storm drainage?
Insufficient potable water supply?
Sounds more like an unimproved municipality than a city.

Prince George: a small town with aspirations to be taken seriously as a medium sized city, but falling short of the mark, over and over.

Now they have nixed a long term reliable source of taxation, for an otherwise useless bit of land.
An RV lot is certainly preferable to many possible uses for the land, it would likely be quiet at night and would produce far fewer drinking drivers on certain nights of the week (men’s night at the golf course for example)

I would think that the city would ask Woody’s to chip in on the cost of improving the roads, why not? it would benefit the dealership (access-egress) and benefit residents (better roads, sidewalks)

I’ve said it before; “The City of Prince George” (we are not really open for business)

metalman.

Love this so called Highway Commercial property. Some parcels not anywhere near any highway.
Other pieces like this one—NO HIGHWAY access!!!
Weird city—Weird Planners.
Did anybody catch the little spurt at the council last night whereby Harry Rempel wants his 6.5 MILLION he supposedly granted to the city back around 2009 to that Global Logistic Parks roadway.
He giveth–now he want to taketh back!!!
Interesting way to get grants from the provincial and federal governments. Needed some developers money to warrant the application to get government money!!! Maybe have to pay that back now also???
Very interesting–now the city owes the man 6,5 million–oops–the taxpayers owe it!!!

Great site–do not even get enough time to finish a posting–and swoosh–wiped out!
Guess some people are not meant to post too much of the truth!!! or an opinion–or a fact??
Oh well-another day!!!

Sure looks like someone has a bone to grind with city hall….or a million bones Too bad the presiding judge did not concur as is obvious in the following items taken from the ruling:

” There is no credible evidence, in particular from Ms. Geisser, to substantiate her belief that one or more of the City’s employees were involved in a conspiracy against her or acted maliciously or inappropriately in her regard. In fact, the evidence is to the contrary.”

and

“Ms. Geisser, in her counterclaim, made serious allegations of misconduct against the City and certain of its employees. The allegations include misappropriating a portion of her Property by deceit, deliberately using zoning bylaws proven to interfere with her commercial interests, and acting in a malicious manner against her with the intention of invading her privacy and causing her pain and suffering. By the conclusion of the trial, the allegations also included deceiving her such that she signed the plan which consolidated the three parcels if, in fact, she signed the plan at all.”

Hope that the cities coffers have been received their costs as per scale B.

Maybe the owner of Yellowhead golf course can put in a rundown trailer court. Use this simple formula…. Any trailer court + Time = Rundown trailer court…works every time.

What a difference a smart council makes. Nice to see they are not rubber stamping everything now.

I couldn’t have said it better myself sparrow. When I first left home myself and a buddy rented a “mobile home” from Ms. Geisser, in the Ponderosa Tralee Park. When we moved because of problems with the furnace, it burned down with other tenants living there.! Haven’t heard from you June in a long time, did you just found opinion 250? I noticed you threatens me a few weeks ago, you don’t want to be doing that.

Cheers,

Taxi

Sorry Elaine–thought maybe there was a “time out” which I was not aware of. I do apologize.
As for sparrow–you should perhaps read the transcript. This Justice even had the case with the trial beginning on a Sunday. He refused evidence as an exhibit as to the response to claim which was compiled and entered by6 Roy Stewart, yet he quoted word for word from that same submission by Roy Stewart. I was not aware that one could grant money so the city could get further grants from the Federal and Provincial Governments and then ask for the money to be refunded—in any manner.
I have not owned a mobile home park for over 8 years, and if my park was so bad–why did I receive such a price for it???
Mean spirited–nasty–but keep watching. I am far from finished.
The truth will come out. Be patient!!

Sorry, I made some grammar and spelling mistakes. I’m using my iPhone, and can barely see the print. Great week all :-)

oops!! The taxpayers will still pay–simply by relinquishing by the city a portion of the development charges–which would have been kept in the city coffers if not paid pout to Rempel?? Is that right–or wrong??
It appears to be a PAYBACK, no matter how I view it???

I think you are right June, If we didn’t have to pay out this money to Rempel then it would have stayed with the City.

In any event it may be a lot of hoopla about nothing, because I don’t see any development taking place on that property, and there is a good chance there never will be. The Airport is developing some of their property at the North End of the Airport Lands, close to the fueling tanks. They will build and develop this property with money that get from Airport Improvement Fee’s which is a direct cost to anyone who flies in and out of Prince George.

The fuel tanks have been sitting empty for a number of years, and I believe they are now owned by the Airport Authority.

Funny how these people who are supposed to be looking after the interests of the paying public seem to be more interested in looking after their own interests.

Also funny how so many people in Prince George can sleep through all of this without being aware of any of it.

Commercial industry and business want to locate on Highway 16 West because that his the busiest area in North Central BC. Every vehicles from Prince Rupert to Isle Pierre has to pass through that area if they are travelling or coming to Prince George to shop.

Very few people come to Prince George to shop, from 16 East, 97 North, or 97 South. 16 West is where the action is.

All they have to do is amend their proposal to cover the neighbourhood concerns, pay the filing fee and start the process all over again. Just keep filing until the people in the area get tired of fighting, all you need is for it to pass rezoning once and you are home free.

But it does sound like Hall is taking a page out of Green’s playbook on this one.

Would you like it in your front yard slinky?

I would argue there would potentially be less traffic than there was with the golf course. But I agree there should be highway access and not access via Bunce. I would agree with councils decision. You need to respect the residents of the area and their wishes. I would hope I would receive the same consideration for any new developments near my home.

If the previous council had done the same with the haldi rd rehab centre, a lot of the controversy would have been avoided.

@ June Geisser. Did you finally get kicked off the Citizen’s website ?

Speaking about light pollution in that area, has anyone asked Cycle North to shield their boat yard lighting from blinding east bound night time traffic? That light must be pissing someone off that lives in the area not to mention all the drivers that can’t see when driving through there.

‘What a difference a smart council makes. Nice to see they are not rubber stamping everything now.’ – Exactly the attitude that keeps this city stuck at 68k people. That is a great spot for an RV business, you wouldn’t even know it was there. More tax dollars gone away, because it’s obvious this city council has less balls than the previous one.

I have had my comments disappear on here before I was able to post them as well.

First-response to sparrow!
First, I do know the difference from a sparrow to a vulture–and am well aware they prefer to circle the wagon with “eagle” eyes. Quite the combination.
The actual transcript will eventually be published and you will eat “crow.”
As for taxi in a pot hole???? I did have a few problems with taxi drivers as I never permitted drug dealers and booze sellers wheeling around my parks. Kept them clean–perhaps not your style. Also financed many mobile homes for people so they could own something. Never had a trailer burn while resided in by my tenants. Sorry!!! Wrong person renting it I suppose.
My time will come to prove my case–without having to deal with a crooked justice system and the power that strategic lawyer has even with the Justices. Birds of a feather–yep-sticking strategically together
No I have not been kicked off the Citizen. Disappointed??? Boy, so many mean spirited people in this city. Must be catching@|!!!

@JG

It would appear that you were your own worst enemy in your case against the city. Hard to blame the judge or the justice system when you contradict the very people that you hired to present your side and even worst contradict yourself during cross examination.

Again from The Honourable Mr. Justice Abrioux’s ruling:

” Ms. Geisser’s evidence was motivated by her very strongly-held belief that she has been wronged for many years by the City. That belief, however, is not substantiated by the contemporaneously created documentary record;

Ms. Geisser’s belief that a portion of the Property was misappropriated is contrary to the findings of Mr. Gook, the land surveyor who she retained, as well as the other documents entered into evidence on this issue;

•there are many examples of her evidence not being credible. One relates to the official community plan application that was completed in 1988. During her evidence, Ms. Geisser stated that the signature on the document on behalf of Gypsy Holdings was not hers. On cross examination, she was referred to her evidence at her examination for discovery that it was, in fact, her handwriting;”

Did you ever get your nighttime sensitivity to light checked out for your class one Dragon?

I also am convinced now I know the difference between a ladybug and a parasite.
I did not say the city had wronged me for years. I said I had experienced no problems with the city re my use of the property for warehouse and storage. The planner stated they changed my zoning in 2007. I had all the proof dating back to the time I build my building with a city building permit for warehouse and storage. Every assessment notice dating back to 1992 stated the predominant use of my property was warehouse and storage, C6, and I paid thousands of year taxes on this classification. The transcript will tell the truth, as Justice Abrioux seemed unable to remember even the dates of the trial, and saying he lost exhibits certainly did not add to his capability of rendering a judgement with truth.
It will all be revealed–so keep the faith. Will certainly be an eye opener for the public interested.

Sorry for any typing errors but waned to post before I lost it!!
You will get the drift anyhow.

As for that signature in 1988, I still am unsure–but signatures do change over the years, and 27 years is a long time.
That signature did not matter anyhow. It was just an agreement to remove the interior lot lines. I simply wanted to clarify that removing interior lot lines had no effect on the exterior lines. The property did not diminish in size as removing interior lines had no effect oon the exterior dimensions. Maybe I can make people understand how foolish this all was and it was all initiated with planning–and I do know who was the Planner in complete charge at that time–don’t I Dan???

That issue was also addressed in the ruling:

“Ms. Geisser testified that the BC Assessment Authority had classified the Property as Class 6 being “Business Other” for many years. She said this demonstrated that the City was well aware that she had used the Property for storage purposes. Yet the document Ms. Geisser introduced into evidence, being the BC Assessment Authority fact sheet, states in its introduction:

BC Assessment places property in one or more of nine classes, typically based on the property’s type or use. Municipal zoning does not determine property class, though it may be a factor in some cases.”

Hold on now–here are the facts.
B C Assessment authority gives the Class and the predominant use of the property to the city yearly. From 1992 onward the Assessment authorities had the predominant use as
“warehouse and storage>” I paid thousands a year taxes for that use. When I built the building the city issued me a building permit and a 40X82 building was constructed with that permitted use warehouse-storage.
The C classification for zoning has probably 6 or 8 uses applicable. I could not use my property for a decent storage business, but the owner of Lombardy was told he could take the old rotting junker trailers out of Lombardy and store them on my property??? Make sense. Guy Gusdal, BY Law manager told him they were “having issues with me.” Gossip ran rampant at city hall.
Many things border the unforgiveable–but the lack of truth and honesty is the hardest to stomach.
Believe me, people employed, and past employed at Prince George city Hall know the truth. Will they come forward??? Not so far. Sad–they are all of the same up bringing and mind set.I have all the paperwork–now I must use a strategic method to make it public.

Residential
utility
supportive housing
major industry
light industrial
business
managed forest land
recreation
farm
The city tax rates are set under those classifications.
Getting only half or less of the actual facts does not lead one to arriving at the right conclusion.
I have the facts–the permits–the correspondence , and I will tell the TRUTH.

Judging from what I’ve read in these posts so far, I think The Honourable Mr. Justice Abrioux got it right.