Make it user pay and you’ll get my support. Getting enough people in your neighbourhood to chip in $50 a month or so to pay someone to hand deliver your mail works for me!

I remember the good old days when CUPW would hold us hostage every few years demanding more money. Glad to see those days are long gone.

Never had to the door service. I was happy when mail boxes were put close to my house. I could give up my post office box!

At one point in time it was considered an essential service like roads, sewer, and water… essential free enterprise infrastructure for commerce and democracy.

I think it still is an essential institution and this latest effort by the Harper government is just to prime it to sell off the profitable portions at a later date to primed insider special interests.

From the perspective of the most vulnerable in society, removing the door to door service is akin to removing the service all together. People in wheel chairs, or the elderly in the winter months… if it costs me an extra cent to buy a stamp then I think its a small cost to pay.

Two comments in the story are a bunch of crap.

1) Yes parcel business is up for Canada Post, but in most cases you will get a small card in the mail to go pick up your package. You don’t need door-to-door service for that.

2) Their favourite go-to line is the “safety”. Does Canada Post seriously think that the little box attached to the side of a house is safe from theft?

It’s totally inefficient to hand deliver. It should be eliminated. Canada post making money is as bad as them losing it. It means we’ve been seriously overcharged in the process and add to that fact that they’re using union labour for very low skilled work and now you’re really being overcharged.

It’s a digital world. No reason to send physical mail. From an environmental perspective, physical mail delivery is terrible for the world, especially in light of the fact that half of it is glossy advertising that most people throw straight into the garbage.

I have never lived in an area where we had door to door delivery and it has never been an issue.
The fact more people are shopping online and parcel services are up as well as more and more people going to digital mail services like Epost I say get rid of door to door delivery.
Do I feel bad for those workers that will get laid off; sure I do but it is happening everywhere and it’s not like they don’t know and are losing their job unexpectedly.

lol @ Canada Post. Guess this is Karma for years of strikes, threats and holding canadians hostage..especially in the 70’s and early 80’s. Remember not delivering our family allowance cheques, because of a perfectly planned strike? Remember sticking it to the people? It’s payback time, so maybe apply for a job as a backup dancer for The Villiage People, because your little boy shorts are about to become useless for work.

There are a number of points missed deliberately in some posts here.
1. We already pay for the service

2. Not everyone can easily access a super mail box.

3. How many of the 50 family supporting jobs are held by single woman ?

4. What is the amount the federal Government already skims from Canada Post?

5. Were is the security for these super boxes ?

There is a lot more to this issue and cutting door to door service will have a negative impact on our economy, seniors and others with disabilities. The same crap happen with EI services get it online, veteran affairs. We not only continue to lose services and family supporting jobs but pay the same. So they keep cutting the CEO and other senior executives collect their $300,000 plus with bonus’s. So were is the benefit to citizens that welcome and in cases need the services ? All these will accomplish is hardship and the loss of another 50 jobs in Prince George with NO return.

The ones that are not speaking out here are the seniors. Chances are they don’t go on line to read the news or comment. I hope that all of you that are complaining don’t loose a relative to a slip and a broken hip collecting the mail, if you do remember what you posted here.

I thought they had already quit the door delivery. I’m fairly certain that it’s now Canada Post delivering to my mailboxes instead of a contractor. I just figured they got rid of the contractors and moved employees into those spots.

The nearest Mail Box to me is about 1km away, the one I have to get my Mail from is 2.3km away and you can’t tell them that is wrong. Government at is finest!

I just recently moved to an area which has door-to-door, but prior to that I had the boxes. To be honest, I would prefer the boxes. It seems to be more secure to me to have them locked up, not just sitting outside my house for hours. I’ve recently had a parcel just dropped on my front step in open view.

You just stop at the boxes on your way home. It’s really no big deal. Even for seniors, I’m sure they leave their home at sometime. And those who don’t are probably living in a complex which will have delivery to the building.

I live in town, have had to collect my mail from central boxes (now called superboxes) for nearly 37 years! Yes, and I am a senior!!! No problem with mail delivery – good exercise to go out in the fresh air to collect the mail, a ten minute walk. What is wrong with that?
Yeah, I even collect my mail in the winter!
I support getting rid of door to door delivery. We really don’t need it.
And, if I am away, I don’t have a mail box tacked to the side of my house which would be a real telltale of the fact there is no one home. Have we not heard or read about the very recent reports of B&E’s?
Central/Superboxes are better.

My impression is that for some people, the elderly and invalid, the mail carrier is often a rare personal contact who comes to the house.I odn’t know how many such people there are, but for them the mail carrier is important.

More and more of our population (baby boomers) are aging into senior citizens. Winter months comprise half of our year up here in Northern BC. Combine these two with the transition to community mail boxes and you will get seniors with broken hips and broken brittle bones.

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What a boondoggle for unskilled labour. Deliver reams of needless junk mail, because it is the only way to offset the ridiculous labour costs of this dinosaur of an organization.

Notice how whining progressives always seem to know what is in somebody else’s best interest? Now you have a taste of the demented thinking that creates liberals who think the noble savage is best suited to be enrolled in a residential school.
It is like a mantra for sniveling progressives. Stand upon a soap box and inform all who can hear that they, and only they, have the infinite wisdom required to protect all of us from ourselves. They are the gatekeepers of all of mankind. The quote, “L’enfer est plein de bonnes volontés et désirs” , sums it all, perfectly.

My parents live in a small northern community that does not have door to door delivery or supermail boxes. Mail is delivered to their post office box AT the Post Office.

My 80 year old dad has no issues with this. Most days, he enjoys his walk to the Post Office. It’s approximately 1 mile each way. He enjoys the fresh air and the walk. He makes sure that he gets “downtown” in time to meet with his buddies at the coffee shop.

So, he gets some exercise, some fresh air, has coffee with his buddies, picks up a few groceries and gets his mail. He’s happy with this and so is Mom. After all, she gets a couple of hours with the “old man” out of the house and out from under her feet! It’s a win/win for both of them, haha!

For those (seniors still living in their own homes) who are shut in for medical reasons and not able to walk or even drive to pick up their mail, not having house delivery is a big deal.

It then falls on either their families, friends, or kindhearted, trustworthy neighbors to help out.

We have had the superboxes for nearly 20 years and since we have no mobility problems, etc. have no issues with this method, but for those who just can’t get out, it is a real concern.

This is the reality of the situation when it comes to community mail boxes in Canada, especially with our seniors during our long winters! Thanks Harper!!!

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It is comical: The seniors posting or people with first hand knowledge, all dismiss this notion that they need a special needs service to deliver their junk mail.

Quick..google injuries blamed on Canada Post!! Hilarious. So predictable. Do you ever have an original thought? The internet is no substitute for an education.

If this is about saving seniors from broken hips then a truck should show up to deliver the first pension check and seize every box spring and mattress because I will guarantee that for every old person that breaks a bone getting mail there are a hundred that fall and are injured getting out of bed. Government can supply Japanese sleeping mats at no charge to keep the old farts safe and sound.

For those that are truly housebound provide once a week home delivery.

Canada Post is not losing money. They charge three times as much to ship a parcel as the US does. I am all for door to door delivery if it saves a person’s job. Some people just can’t stand to see someone being paid a living wage. Bring me a sign.

30 years ago I worked at the bank, and this nice girl use to come in and cash her grandparent’s pension cheques. In fact, she had several grandparents and she was smart enough to go to different tellers. Back then, if you had an account in good standing, you could co endorse a cheque. And it use to take 3 months before we found out a government cheque was a fraud. She was stealing these cheques out of seniors mailboxes. Imagine the hassle those seniors went through with their fragile hips having to hump all the way down to the government of Canada building to sign affidavits their checks were stolen and then wait for new cheques. If only their mail had come to a secure mailbox.

Virtually all seniors today have direct deposit, and all of them can sign up for automatic debit on their utility, so they have a way to avoid making the treacherous trek to the super mail box. Anything in there, is likely junk, or can wait for them to stop on their way, to the trip to the doctors office, where the sidewalk has been scrapped free of all snow and ice, from the parking lot, to the entrance of the building.

In the past 6 years, 5 mills have closed in the Prince George area. 1250 people lost family sustaining jobs. Sure didn’t see any lawn signs for them. I have been getting my mail in a community mail box for years. I check it once every couple of weeks because I get very little mail. It is always unfortunate when good paying jobs disappear however I don’t buy into all the “sky is falling in” arguments.

I walked through the Ginter meadow for many years. slipped fell on my butt got up and walked away. Its probable a benefit for a senior to walk to their mail box. The bad part is that those that now deliver your mail will be laid off.

We had a great postman when we lived in PG who had many years service and did a good job.
Cheers

Retired02

How long did it take for you to recover from your brain injury after the Ginter’s meadow fall?

Chairs

Oldman:- “I am all for door to door delivery if it saves a person’s job. Some people just can’t stand to see someone being paid a living wage.
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Why can’t we pay someone a ‘living wage’ without making them do something that’s now become redundant, inefficient, and functionally useless?

Sparrow that comment made me laugh out loud!!! And “chairs” to you too because you made my day.

Jimmy Hughes:

This isn’t just about junk mail and flyers, those you can stop on request.

It’s about further alienating people by removing services.

The medical system is already there. The hospitals discharge patients (elderly) before they should. Their thoughts are that a person does better at home, which is usually the case. The elderly are a different matter though as quite often they are on their own and not able to care for themselves.

I know there is home care, etc., but it is limited and when the subsidized assistance runs out, you have to pay for the services yourself.

I don’t know where you are in your life age-wise, but everything is good when you are healthy, able-bodied, and your mind is strong, but when things start to deteriorate, it’s a whole new ball game and you start to see things from a different point of view.

Why can’t we pay someone a ‘living wage’ without making them do something that’s now become redundant, inefficient, and functionally useless? Well -Socredible the next time say your laying in bed with a broken back and you become redundant,inefficient,and fuctionally useless what shoud we do with you?

Who would rather have a postal courier do this than their elderly parents? Raise your hand and say; “Harper’s got to go”.

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There is no need for door delivery anymore
If you are so worried about the seniors go knock on your neighbours doors and offer to get their mail when you get yours or if you need help ask a neighbour to help. If nobody will help maybe you are too grouchy in real life like you are on the internet!

ramdleon states; “If you are so worried about the seniors go knock on your neighbours doors and offer to get their mail when you get yours or if you need help ask a neighbour to help.”

Thanks for making the point; this Harper government doesn’t care about seniors! You acurately state that we are going to have to look out for, and after, the weakest and most vulnerable in our society, because this Harper government refuses to.

Thanks for your insightful comment.

“Why can’t we pay someone a ‘living wage’ without making them do something that’s now become redundant, inefficient, and functionally useless?”

I guess I read this entirely different. If carrying mail fits the above definition, then wouldn’t it serve society better if those people who use to carry mail, can be given employment doing something worthwhile.

We actually have a labour shortage – hence TFWs, that will get worse with time, so we should look at it like we do any resource, where can it best be employed – so I ask the question, do you want people to bring mail right to your door, or would you rather more funds be allocated to elderly care, and employ people in those positions, and pay them a living wage to do it.

I think that’s what he meant.

unfortunately sparrow you have NEVER recovered. I’m pleased that the lame brain remarks made by sparrow some find so entertaining.
Cheers cheers

Posted on Wednesday, June 3, 2015 @ 2:12 PM by ski51

“…you missed my bigger point – this risk is driven by our ever increasing provincial population – everyone wants a job so they can buy stuff, and the pressure will be on governments of every stripe to provide those jobs because we’re a democracy and government at the end of the day – wants to get re-elected.”

“So, pressure will be on government to increase resource activity to provide jobs to provide cash so people can buy stuff.”

Today you state; “We actually have a labour shortage – hence TFWs, that will get worse with time, so we should look at it like we do any resource, where can it best be employed – so I ask the question, do you want people to bring mail right to your door, or would you rather more funds be allocated to elderly care, and employ people in those positions, and pay them a living wage to do it.”

Could you please sort out this apparent contradiction; yesterday you stated there are not enough jobs and there is pressure on the government to create them; today you are saying there are too many jobs and not enough people to fill them, hence TWFs.

An example of your incongruent thinking, ski51?

Isn’t it funny how we get these arrogant posters, who show up all full of themselves, shrouded in the thinly veiled disguise of contempt for those who don’t share their views. It didn’t take long for the SS to be rendered a redundant lefthard. www. progressivesonO250whinetoomuch.com remove the gap between at a loss’s front teeth, stand on one foot, and say ten hail marys.

Sophie sage: ”
Thanks for making the point; this Harper government doesn’t care about seniors! You acurately state that we are going to have to look out for, and after, the weakest and most vulnerable in our society, because this Harper government refuses to. ”

You missed my point. My suggestion is going to be so rare because people are only using the seniors as an argument I don’t believe people actually care and if people don’t care why should the government? Let canada post delivery go extinct like the dinasour it is.

rambleon– Let canada post delivery go extinct like the diaisour it is.

I think Canada Post pays a living wage. The Government would most likely want to privatize it and pay someone the same wage as the liquor store outlets that they privatized.. 10-12 dollars an hr.

There has never been a more pro senior government than Harper. Income splitting alone is a huge benifit. Sophic Sage, piss off and go back to your NDP war room. You need to reload. Posting spam links isn’t working. We have a brain in Prince George.

ski51 wrote:-(quoting Socredible)”Why can’t we pay someone a ‘living wage’ without making them do something that’s now become redundant, inefficient, and functionally useless?”

“I guess I read this entirely different. If carrying mail fits the above definition, then wouldn’t it serve society better if those people who use to carry mail, can be given employment doing something worthwhile.

We actually have a labour shortage – hence TFWs, that will get worse with time, so we should look at it like we do any resource, where can it best be employed – so I ask the question, do you want people to bring mail right to your door, or would you rather more funds be allocated to elderly care, and employ people in those positions, and pay them a living wage to do it.

I think that’s what he meant.”
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Not exactly, Ski51, though I don’t entirely disagree with your first paragraph above. As for your second, we have a shortage of people who are ready, willing, or able to fill certain jobs currently in demand. This may be because of a skills shortage in certain fields where such skills are needed ‘now’, or because many jobs simply are not attractive enough to people here to do, or relocate to, for the kind of wage they’re able to pay, those wages being a cost that has to be recovered in price from the public, who may not be willing, or even able, to pay such a price. Regardless, what I really meant was ‘why’ do we always limit ourselves to the somewhat archaic belief that the only source of an income for anyone is through employment? Surely it should be abundantly clear that the world, whether there are temporary labor shortages in it or not, has been steadily working at putting itself out of work for a very long time. Isn’t it time we looked at other ways of distributing incomes than simply through ’employment’, when such, whether we like it or not, is going to continue to be displaced?

After we kill Canada Post, can we please kill ICBC next?

dow7501:-‘There has never been a more pro senior government than Harper. Income splitting alone is a huge benifit. ”
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I agree. On balance, the Harper government has been a generally good government overall. Far better than any others we’ve had for a very long time. There are a lot of things that ‘could’ still be done for the greater benefit of us all, and a few areas with ‘trade’ agreements in which I believe they are engaging in what’s going to turn out to be an exercise in wishful thinking ~ but that still remains to be seen. I hope we have enough brains not to change to any of the current opposition Parties, all of whom will only cost us more and deliver less if they’re determined to pursue their present courses.

I have been re-thinking this whole community mailbox thing from a criminal mind perspective. Stealing mail, for identity theft, or other nefarious purposes, is much too risky going door to door, the chances of being caught would be much higher than stealing from a community mail box. Yah, just picture all that mail, for multiple households, all in one convenient place, that would make it so easy for a thief to just drive up and:

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sophic, the more you say, the less a voice of reason you become! Congrats!

With home delivery, any idiot can walk up the sidewalk in the middle of the day, quickly reach into a mailbox, take what’s there and walk away!

With the community mail box, the same idiot would have to beat, pry or otherwise force their way into the mailboxes.

I look out my front window and about 2 doors down and what do I observe? I see my neighbourhood community mailbox on my neighbours front lawn, in plain view of me, my neighbours and anyone who happens to drive down the street.

Given a choice, I would much rather have my mail sitting in the community mail box, waiting for me to get home and retrieve it, than to have it sit in an unlocked mailbox on my front steps, partially hidden from view by bushes and the like!

Perhaps you aren’t as smart as you think you are? That must be a real disappointment to you!

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sophic, speaking of crime and knowing how much you admire Prime Minister Stephen Harper and our Conservative Government, I thought you might like to read a Statistics Canada report that shows that Policy Reported Crime has fallen and continues to fall under a Conservative Government. Enjoy!

Police-reported crime rate in Canada continues to fall

The police-reported crime rate, which measures the volume of crime per 100,000 population, continued to decline in 2012, down 3% from 2011. After peaking in 1991, the police-reported crime rate has generally declined and, in 2012, it reached its lowest level since 1972

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2013001/article/11854-eng.htm#a1

The community mailbox we have works well. Not only is our mail deposited in a locked box, but we have two large locked ‘package’ sections, too, with a key that’s put in your box if you’re receiving a package too large for it. And we get to post outgoing mail, something you can’t do with door-to-door delivery ~ that mailman only ‘brings’, he doesn’t ‘take’. With the community mailbox we can catch the private contractor who does the rounds of a number of of them throughout our semi- rural area, tell him if we need stamps, pay him, and if he doesn’t have them with him, next day they’re in your box! No making a trip to the Post Office, or some other outlet, to get them. What could be better?

Sophic Sage is obviously a mailman, or married to one… what a wingnut. Type in lemonparty.org into your browser Sophic Sage, more your style.

The reason we know SS isn’t a mailman is because they would already know that the easiest way to steal mail is in the grey pickups that the carriers pick up from. This box is full of mail already in an easy to steal sack. To suggest that the super boxes are risky for identity theft is ridiculous.

The plan to get rid of door to door mail is an attack not on unions, it is to attack communities. The harper government wants people to get used to using group mailboxes to get mail. These super mailboxes have been targeted for opening by organized crime, they know when to hit them. Around Christmas they will be targeted as they know there is a fill of prepaid credit card and other usable items. The other part is that letter carriers go door to door and if they see things that are amiss they will alert the authorities.

Thanks for the comment minion2014, I never thought about Christmas being the busy time for community mailbox break-ins, or the reason why. I learned something from reading your comment, and I appreciate that.

I found a CBC news article that contains an interactive map of BC, you can click on various cities to see how many times community mailboxes were targeted in each of them, inlcuding Prince George. If anyone is interested in finding out what the criminal target rate is for community mailboxes in Prince George, I am posting that link:

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