Another week is wrapping up, and that can only mean one thing, it is time for the Friday Free for All.
You pick the topic, but remember to obey the three simple rules:
Keep it clean
Keep it legal
Some of the worst mass shootings in America have all used similar guns: versions of the AR-15 assault rifle. The 20 children and six adults who died in Newtown were killed, in part, by a version of the AR-15. So were the 12 who died in an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater. So were the 14 who died in San Bernardino.
After Sunday’s shooting in Orlando, carried out with the Sig Sauer MCX, a military-style assault rifle that looks much like the AR-15, calls to ban the AR-15 are surging. The Boston Globe described it as “mass shooters’ weapon of choice.” The New York Daily News called it “a mass murderer’s best friend.”
Cue Conservative MP; Bob Zimmer who introduces a petition in the House of Commons in May, urging the federal public safety minister to reclassify the Armalite AR-15 rifle back to non-restricted status in Canada. In my opinion that’s pure genius Bob… and so are the half-wits who voted for you!!!
In Canada you are not allowed to have a fully automatic weapon – that would not change, unless you bake bread from what I understand.
The guns used in those mass shootings weren’t fully automatic either. There are a few people in the US who are allowed to own fully automatic weapons but they are heavily restricted and few and far between.
Most hunting rifles are more powerful than the AR-15. The AR can make a decent varmint and deer rifle but that is about all.
In Canada the capacity of the magazine is restricted and also non AR type hunting rifles are available in semi auto.
For mass killings do not forget about the bombings.
A real asset for the ultraright wing radicles in our midst . His other private members bill was an assault on UN anti transnational gun and people smuggling law . A Christian in name only . Just another right wing radicle with no moral compass .
So you are okay with an unelected UN governing you?
The whole point of the reclassification of the AR 15 is to make it on par with other semi auto guns in canada, such as the sks xcr or cz858. All the guns listed are non restricted guns I can buy today that are all capable of detachable magazines and can shoot rapidly. The AR 15 is exactly the same but banned because its black and scary.
You are right, an assault rifle technically refers to selective-fire military rifles that can fire in automatic and / or burst mode.
At the time that the now-defunct Federal Assault Weapons Ban passed in 1994 (expired in 2001), the U.S. Justice Department said: “In general, assault weapons are semiautomatic firearms with a large magazine of ammunition that were designed and configured for rapid fire and combat use.”
The origin of the term for a weapon which is not capable of selective fire has been attributed to legislators, gun control groups, the media, and the firearms industry itself in advertising its products.
When it comes to mass rapid fire capacity for assaulting a group of people, such as the Orlando incident, who cares about technical semantics? Call a semi-automatic what you will it should be a restricted weapon, which it is in Canada, but not in the USA. Congress is just trying to wrap its heads around that once more to see what can be done to get to at least where Canada is on the issue.
Of course, we are talking about law abiding citizens. I am sure that those who have criminal intent can get any weapon they wish.
Sorry, that expiry should have read 2004, ten years after its enactment.
Canada does not allow full auto weapons nor is it allowed to have a switch to do so, thus no rifle imported into Canada is an “Assault Rifle”. Do not confuse the US and other jurisdictions with Canada.
Most hunting rifles in Canada are semi-automatic. The shooting characteristics and magazine capacity are the same as the AR15. So why is the AR15 restricted but not all the other semi-automatics? Because it LOOKS like a military weapon. It does not have selective fire, it cannot fire automatically, and neither could the one used in Orlando.
“Of course, we are talking about law abiding citizens. I am sure that those who have criminal intent can get any weapon they wish.”
Yes bombs! Outlaw fertilizer and pressure cookers.
Dirt, I suggest most hunting rifles in Canada are bolt, pump, and lever action,
haven’t seen very many semi-auto except in .22 cal.
Griz, I haven’t hunted for decades but back when I started hunting I was too poor for the best, up to date guns. My rifles were bolt or lever action, my double barrelled shotgun was breech load and my (legal & registered) revolver was double action. Some of my fellow hunters were equally poor and had similar guns but some (whom we envied) had semis.
But that was then. I’m really out of touch with what’s currently in vogue when it comes to rifles. You may well be right, but I know there’s lots of semis available.
Guns aren’t the problem. The brain dead are. Mass shooting? Wasn’t it a mass murder? If the guy used a car what would you call it? If guns are banned what do you think the brain dead will choose as their tool of choice? Only an anti firearm idiot would claim a certain type of firearm is a problem. Guns don’t kill people and spoons don’t make people fat. Don’t you anti’s get it?
Why do you start calling people that you do not agree with idiots? I fail to understand the logic.
Learn to argue the salient part of the issue.
BTW, when tow factions do not agree, you can view each one as anti the other point of view. So, you too are anti. Whether you are an idiot or not, I do not have enough information to determine that.
I do have some indication that you cannot argue the point on your side. That does not make you an idiot. It just means that you may have a short fuse, that you are not experienced at backing up your position, etc. etc.
“Guns aren’t the problem. The brain dead are”
There is a great example.
Why did you not use the normal saying which goes something like: “guns do not kill, humans do.”
See, no derogatory term is used. Gets the same point across.
It was mass murder by shooting the mass of people.
Are you afraid to use the word shooting? Why?
We could use mass execution as well. Might as well. How about mass assault?
Those people were assaulted with a weapon.
When the trigger was pulled the weapon fired a round.
It made a shooting noise.
They were not killed by a vehicle. That has happened on occasion. The more appropriate term in that case where a vehicle may have travelled along a wide sidewalk, which has happened, the term might be “mowed down”.
I mean, we could also use that term for some of the groups in Orlando, they were “mowed down” by a person brandishing an AR-15 rapid fire firearm.
By “mowed down by a person brandishing an AR-15 rapid fire firearm” are you suggesting that it was automatic? Because it wasn’t.
Nope, not suggesting that at all.
It is called a semi-automatic.
Read the above comments of mine and you will understand that I know the difference.
Pull the trigger and three bullets come out automatically.
Pull again, and another burst of three comes out.
Repeat until the magazine is empty. (I believe the maximum is 100)
The rate of fire depends on how quickly one pulls the trigger after each burst. Technically the weapon fires in the range of 800 rounds a minute or 13 rounds per second. Say you pull the trigger every half second and the 100 round magazine is spent in around 15 seconds.
So, 15 seconds to mow down a group of people huddled into the corner of a room.
I understand that an M60 (machine gun) rate of fire is in the order of 500 to 650 rounds/minute. That means that at the maximum range it would take just under 10 seconds to empty the 100 round cartridge.
15 seconds versus 10 seconds …. kind of splitting hairs in my world when dealing with a “captive” crowd.
A semi automatic fires with each trigger pull, not in bursts unless you are talking auto.
Semi-automatic fires one bullet per trigger pull.
“If guns are banned what do you think the brain dead will use as their weapon of choice ?”
I’m guessing they will use a chip truck, highbeams and chuck ball bearings out of their window.
Is that old wives tale about the ball bearings still out there? That was around when I drove truck in the 80’s and 90’s, LOL
Impudicus’ comment is very selectively aimed at someone Peter.
And it made me spit my coffee – hahahaha
Nobody mentioned yet that it was a radical islamic terrorist who did the shooting. Millions of Americans own the same gun but don’t commit mass murder. It isn’t the gun. If we go after the gun and ignore the ideology of the perpetrator, we’re in denial. Get rid of the AR15 and there will still be lots of other guns available that will accomplish the same thing, not to mention suicide vests.
I find it interesting that Obama will not mention the words radical Islam and that he is more interested in going after the guns than the cause.
Just what is Obama’s end game?
We can see how radical this person was. Whether he was an Islamic terrorist is another matter which has yet to be proven.
We know he was anti gay. We also know that a non-Islamic person from Indiana was detained a few days later with a similar gun, ammunition and explosive device driving to Santa Monica to a Pride Parade.
To pretend that only Muslims do this sort of thing is putting one’s head in the sand.
There have been plenty of mass shootings in recent and longer history of the USA. This is the biggest one so far.
And, as someone points out so nicely, bombs are another weapon.
Remember McVey killed over 160 and injured more than 600 and destroyed a huge building. Next to the 9/11 use of planes to bring down the tallest buildings in the USA and kill thousands, his was the largest killing of people in the USA to date.
Unlike Trump shooting from the hip, Obama is cautious and is waiting th3e outcome of the notion that this was an Islamic terrorist attack rather than some wannabe self styled individual who I do not even know believed in Islam.
Anyone can take on a cause without actually being directed by a group like ISIS or however they are referred to.
The guy was a violent person. His first wife was removed from his beating her by her parents. They should have pressed charges at the time.
On top of that the FBI questioned him twice under separate circumstances and could not find anything to detain him for.
He was not a rocket scientist working for Allah. He was a mental case.
Another Ezra S. Mutt bald face lie . Obama during a speech two days ago said the rightie magic words . And said saying those words changes nothing .pure semantics , nothing more . Try to pay attention to the truth Ezra . Telling lies when fact checks are so easy make you seem less than intelligent . Pretty weird being fed GOP talking points in PG . Imagine a Donald fan in our midst. #wlb
Settle down dude, calling one a liar on a public form could develop into litigation. I suggest you read the header about bullying and keeping it legal.
Posted on Friday, June 17, 2016 @ 11:10 AM by gopg2015
“We can see how radical this person was. Whether he was an Islamic terrorist is another matter which has yet to be proven.”
Oh come now, the information is everywhere. He was on a watch list. The FBI questioned him in 2013, based on his claims that he knew terrorists. In 2014, they questioned him in again over a connection with Moner Mohammad Abu-Salha who went off to Syria, joined the al Qaeda-linked Nusra Front and killed himself in a suicide attack. He frequented a mosque led by a radical imam, who regularly incited his flock to murder (“Gays must die”). Before entering the Pulse night club with the intent to slaughter those partying inside, he called 911 and swore allegiance to the leader of the ‘Islamic State’s Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, and recalled Tamerlan and Dzhokhar, the brothers responsible for the 2013 Boston Marathon terror attack. Seems clear enough to me.
Posted on Friday, June 17, 2016 @ 11:10 AM by gopg2015
To pretend that only Muslims do this sort of thing is putting one’s head in the sand.
Nobody is pretending that, nor has anyone suggested it. All we’re saying is what THIS attack was.
Speaking of liars how is that solar system doing you claim to have Ataloss, oh wait.
RIDE FOR DAD happening Saturday morning at 11… Be nice if 250 could have blurbs of events happening in town BEFORE it happens, not after
Where is it happening? For those who do not know what RIDE FOR DADA is, what exactly is it? Where can we get more info?
be at the Kinsmen center at 11 am
Its for the prostate cancer. All the bikers get together and ride to support this cause. Great family event.. Its neat watching all those motorcycles cruising along the streets
You can go to http://www.ridefordad.ca to get more info. Ride starts at 11 sharp so be there beforehand to register.
Registration starts at 9 am. This is an event that has been happening for the last 5 yrs.
Its a SHAME Hydro is slashing on Peden Hill. It looks gorgeous driving that hill with all the trees and bushes.. Kinda looks like driving thru some parts of Oregan.. Bummer Hydro has to ruin the scenery
It sure is uncovering the neighbourhood garbage dump though.
I have to say that I consistently have great meals from The Salted Cracker. It has quickly become one of my favorite restaurants. Both locations serve wonderful soups and sandwiches.
Way to go Salted Cracker!
Hats off to Walmart for taking on Visa over their transaction fees. For some reason Canadian merchants pay 4 times the rate of Europeans. Premium cards have an even higher transaction fee yet the consumer pays a yearly fee for the premium card.
Now if we could just get monthly internet charges and TV cable cost reduced. Seems there is a lot of cable cutting happening. The so called skinny package mandated by the CRTC is a joke. Telus have announced a $5.00 per month internet fee increase which they call modest. With a monthly cost of $50.00 – $60.00 for internet that works out to a 9% – 10% increase in cost plus the gov’t hit of increased taxes would hardly constitute a modest increase in my opinion.
“For some reason Canadian merchants pay 4 times the rate of Europeans”
Read about the battle between WalMart and VISA. It is all about volume. 35 million Canadian versus the EU 400 million or so.
The rates also depend on the kind of business and business volume. Not for profits and utilities, for instance, pay less.
In other words, the rates are negotiable and the bigger the clout of the supplier, the lower the rates will be.
I forecast LESS people going to walMart due to not being able to use Visa. Its not Visa people will blame, but the retailer. I remember stores I used to frequent due to accepting my cards, but I stopped going there when they stopped accepting the cards and I found other stores I could shop at
Just like wal Mart stopped the flyers in the papers.. I rarely go there anymore due to no flyer. I’m not interested in digital version. I know of many others who followed my footsteps.
Cable companies need to lower their rates to attract more consumers. Contracting out repairs at 300 dollars a call is a lot, considering most time it takes less than an hour to do the work and the tech moves onto the next place
You’re probably right. But hats off to Wal-Mart anyways. If ALL other merchants did what they’ve done the usury that’s being exacted from all of us could be greatly reduced. Most small businesses that accept Visa and MasterCard credit cards typically pay over a 3% (per MONTH, not year), “discount rate” on the entire purchase price of every sale paid that way. That works out to over 36% per annum they’re being charged, a cost that’s being passed on to all consumers via prices, for the credit card company lending the business the money a customer spends when he makes a purchase that way. In some countries this rate is restricted by law to less than a 2% maximum. And the credit card companies are doing just fine there. They haven’t folded up shop and left for greener pastures. But here? Where’s our new Liberal government on regulating these rates to a REASONABLE level as other jurisdictions have done?
Just trying to follow here, I thought businesses pay 2-3 percent per transaction not a monthly fee.
We used to pay with Avion to get air miles for the business and retailers would tack on 2% extra per transaction over 1k to cover the fee.
Did you write to Harper about regulating these rates, how often did you communicate – without any success, obviously! I mean you had ten years to get something done!
They DO pay 2-3% per transaction, slinky. I should have phrased that differently. If you annualise that 3%, which is on all the monthly sales paid by credit card, that’s 36% per annum.
Socredible … you obviously are not an accountant or even a bookkeeper and have likely never had a business of any magnitude. Or, another possibility is that you are too old and have forgotten what you used to know.
I really do not want to go into other possibilities.
Here is the simple scenario.
A small business averages $10,000 per month in VISA transactions. At a 3% transaction fee that is $300/month.
The total VISA credit sales are $120,000 for the year. The total transaction fees are $3,600 which go to VISA. So the percentage of your sales you pay to VISA on an annual basis is 3,600/120,000 = 3%
Please explain to us how you get 36%.
Your credibility on economic theories has just plummeted.
Seems our dear leader can get away with this stuff. Notice no media outrage or negative reporting on their chosen one.
EXCLUSIVE docs reveal Liberals’ inflated expenses for NY trip: Will media notice $17.77 Jamba Juice bill? If Bev Oda’s $16 glass of orange juice was a scandal, then surely a $17.77 order at Jamba Juice made by a staffer to International Development Minister Marie-Claude Bibeau is worth looking into.
The government also spent $35,482.95 to hire car services to drive people around, including a private car for Bibeau coming in at up to $552.00 per day, plus tax, fuel surcharge and tip. SUVs and drivers rented for “media advance” cost as much as $1,155.75.
Part of the Bev Oda scandal was that she had spent $1,000 per day on limousines.
For just a few days worth of travel, the government spent $5,443.60 on gratuities and $2,041.35 on fuel surcharges to just the car company, not to mention other expenses on the trip.
Like, for example, a $304 flower arrangement to spruce up a meeting room.
Chosen one, living large. That perpetual smirk on his face he still can’t get over how easy it was to take people in.
I’m still waiting for the stuttering, stammering “Chosen one” to actually say the words “is isla Islamic, is, is uh um, Islamic, uh oh, er, terror, um er Islamic terror, um ists, islam ic terror, um er er er!
Come on Justin, it’s simple, even with that perpetual smirk on your face! Say it with me! It’s “Islamic terrorists”!!
Why can the man/child not say two simple words?
Why are you waiting for him to say that? What do you think is going to magically happen if he does?
Poor JT is so afraid to offend his Muslim brotherhood that he can’t or won’t muster the courage to call a spade a spade! I’d like to know if he can actually grow a pair!
After month’s of calls from the Opposition to declare the ISIS killings of Yazidi people a genocide, the Liberal’s Stephane Dion finally says “the atrocities committed by ISIS in Iraq and Syria against the minority Yazidi people constitute genocide”.
Gee, ya think!
“Why can the man/child not say two simple words?”
There are several dozen countries in the world who would gladly trade their right wing extremist dictators for a PM like ours, who can actually sincerely smile (!) and who is a loving father with three children, a family man, a husband, an educated man who loves his and our country Canada, who is respectful of the law and our democratic institution!
Are there Drop Off Locations in Prince George for Old Died Batteries
like Double A’s and C and the like ?
Bottle depot by Costco. They take a lot of recyclables.
I believe there is a collection box at the entrance of Home Depot for recycling household batteries.
You can drop all you dead alkaline and rechargeable batteries at London Drugs. They have an excellent program called Green Deal.
Bring back “BEER BEER”.
The fossil shills biggest nightmare has come true . A battery with the energy density of Gasoline. Amprius Demonstrates a Revolutionary New Tool for Roll-to-Roll Manufacturing of High-Energy Batteries.
The demonstration is scheduled for June 29th so we don’t have long to wait .
Only take 4 days to drive to Edmonton or Vancouver with all the recharges. I know, maybe a windmill could be put on top of the vehicle to charge the batteries to make it only a 2 day trip. What happens to all the batteries once they are no longer of use?
There is a huge market for batteries from both ebikes and EVs . After they reach 50% they are sold for home use for storage with a life of up to ten years . After that they are almost a hundred percent recyclable .
Daimler started reusing their returned batteries for stationary storage last year . It is slated to become a multibillion dollar yearly business .
Only take 4 days to drive to Edmonton or Vancouver with all the recharges.
The overwhelming majority of people interested in such a car couldn’t care less how long it will take to drive from PG to Edmonton or Vancouver. They will be using it primarily for short trips or daily commuting.
Further, the success or viability of the technology will have literally nothing to do with how the PG market responds, or even how it works in cold climates. That latter part is likely irrelevant for over 90% of the market in North America.
Once the technology gets to the point where there is an immaterial cost differential to what we have now, the simple reality is that people in PG will wind up having to buy the vehicles. There won’t be any other choice because that will be what is produced. Maybe there will be a role reversal and the niche vehicle of the future will be a gas burner. Then you can pay $60,000 for a Honda Civic or $125,000 for an F-150.
News by our National Taxpayer payed CBC :
” Cheaper Gasoline drags Inflation down to 1.5 % in May”
Never been to Prince George ?
Recently took a trip to the Okanagan, prices higher than PG everywhere I went.
Gas prices were down in May. They went up in June.
Prices at Costco were $1.109 … today shows as $1.039 on gas buddy.
But hey, people complain all the time. It is never good enough for some, even now that we have Costco selling it as a “loss leader” or close to it.
Anyone who actually uses an assault rifle for hunting is not a hunter…they where made for one thing..to kill humans.
Second, it’s time to change the second amendment..it was written when the USA was scared of the British..back in the day is muskets..
It still isn’t proven the guy was a Islam extremist.. Wing nut and loser for sure..
Isis mandate it to take “credit” for anything they can..to make people scared of them.
And why does the rain stop when I head back to work…that’s the real question 😊
Have a happy Father’s Day all you dads out there :)
Actually a couple of rifles made for war turned out to be very popular hunting rifles, the Lee Enfield and m1 Garand.
You are kind of hung up on the assault name. Hey even the police don’t call their m 15 assault but patrol carbines I believe.
By assault rifle do you mean “fully automatic”? Because nobody uses them for hunting.
The purpose of the second amendment was to give citizens the ability to defend themselves against their own government. The experience of living under authoritarian governments in Europe inspired them to ensure that it couldn’t happen in The United States.
Yes he was an islamic extremist, info is posted above.
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On December 15, 1791,
written in 1791…and how many times has the militia had to defend itself from the government in all that time … time to rewrite it.. and nothing has changed at all in the states since then.. nope not one thing.. except everything.
definition of assault rifles. It defined the rifle type of assault weapon as a semiautomatic firearm with the ability to accept a detachable magazine and two or more of the following: a folding or telescoping stock. a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon. a bayonet mount..
not one mention of fully automatic….
Pretty selective in your definition of Assault Rifle there PVal
To be classified as an “Assault Rifle” it has to have selective fire. Both the SKS and the AR-15 do not have selective fire and thus are not assault rifles.
The StG 44 was the first true “assault rifle” and became the definition of the term. The AK-47 is an assault rifle as it has selective fire.
“and how many times has the militia had to defend itself from the government in all that time?”
Hmmmm….could it be that they haven’t had to defend themselves against their government because the government was well aware of how well they were armed? Probably not, but just in case…..
Because they haven’t had to in the past, does that mean they never will in the future? My old house has never been on fire so does that mean I don’t need smoke alarms?
I find it interesting if wind generation is so great how come none of the wind generation outfits in BC never mention their actual output? Maybe hiding what a failure they actually are, just asking.
Oh just to keep it fair BC hydro or any of the other generation companies do release their output also, why?
Saw a cool video of someon building a machine to harness the energy from waves in the ocean.. May have potential. as for why no output from wind turbines.. Who knows why they don’t mention output.. Could be that hydro doesn’t want the number out..or it’s a contract thing etc..may even be your are right..isn’t worth it.. Speculation is fun :-). Never let facts get in the way 8)
1.4 Million: Americans who died in all Wars fought since 1776
1.4 Million: Americans who died via household Guns since 1968.
400,000: Americans who died fighting in World War II
400,000: Americans who died by household Firearms since 2001.
3,400: Americans who died by Terrorism since 2001
3,400: Americans who died by household Firearms since five weeks ago.
~ Neil deGrasse Tyson
600,000: Americans who died in their civil war.
480,000 Americans die EVERY year from smoking
234,000 Americans die EVERY year from complications of diabetes
Siemens and Gamesa merge to meet boom in wind installations globally . Siemens brings to the table 69 giga watts installed . The two will become the worlds largest producer .
Financed by taxes. And when the taxes aren’t enough, by govt. debt.
You mean like the fossil fuel industry and bombardier.
So why worry about Canadian production ? Like I’ve said it doesn’t matter what canada does . The world is changing and we can either keep up or remain in the fossil era . In the context of the world , canada is as Important as pg is to canada and like PG , we are kicked off the security council on the world stage .
And the auto industry .
Europe’s suicidal green energy policies are killing at least 40,000 people a year.
That’s just the number estimated to have died in the winter of 2014 because they were unable to afford fuel bills driven artificially high by renewable energy tariffs.
But the real death toll will certainly be much higher when you take into account the air pollution caused when Germany decided to abandon nuclear power after Fukushima and ramp up its coal-burning instead; and also when you consider the massive increase in diesel pollution – the result of EU-driven anti-CO2 policies – which may be responsible for as many as 500,000 deaths a year.
But even that 40,000 figure is disgraceful enough, given that greenies are always trying to take the moral high ground and tell us that people who oppose their policies are uncaring and selfish.
It comes from an article in the German online magazine FOCUS about Energiewende (Energy Transition) – the disastrous policy I mentioned earlier this week whereby Germany is committed to abandoning cheap, effective fossil fuel power and converting its economy to expensive, inefficient renewables (aka unreliables) instead.
According to FOCUS around ten percent of the European population are now living in ‘energy poverty’ because electricity prices have risen, on average, by 42 percent in the last eight years. In Germany alone this amounts to seven million households.
More at ht tps://stopthesethings.com/2016/04/10/europes-wind-power-suicide-pact-killing-40000-a-year/
Now here is something for the smart money
Hedge fund for a cooling climate
Cool Futures: World first hedge fund aims to pop the climate-bubble
What has Bombardier got to do with the discussion and the fossil fuel industry gets write downs the same as any business. The solar and wind can only survive on handouts that is why they are crying the blues that those handouts are ending.
Global-Warming Alarmists, You’re Doing It Wrong
But when you’re relying on theory and guesswork, you always want to leave plenty of room for the possibility that your model’s output is (how shall I put this?) … wrong.
Naturally, proponents of climate-change models have welcomed the lukewarmists’ constructive input by carefully considering their points and by advancing counterarguments firmly couched in the scientific method.
No, of course I’m just kidding. The reaction to these mild assertions is often to brand the lukewarmists “deniers” and treat them as if what they were saying was morally and logically equivalent to suggesting that the Holocaust never happened.
The series is also a model of how to talk about the subject. Meyer says “this is what I think, and this is why I think it.” People can certainly disagree with his conclusions, and I would be very interested to see climate bloggers engage with Meyer’s series in like manner: refraining from calling names or questioning motives, and instead calmly laying out the reasons that they think warming is likely to be catastrophic.
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