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Friday Free for All – Oct.14, 2016

Friday, October 14, 2016 @ 12:00 AM

The last of the turkey  may be on the menu tonight,  but right now 250News  is  serving  the Friday Free For All.

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Looks like some of us are back to work after the Thanksgiving long weekend, makes for a short workweek which is nice, however some are in a much better position to just cancel work and not show up.

Yup, it’s official: the BC Liberal government has cancelled the fall 2016 session of the B.C. Legislature. The 20-day sitting was scheduled to begin Monday (October 3) and run four days a week through November 24, except during recesses in the second week of each month.

Must be nice not having to work for a living, shades of 2013 when the BC Liberals sat in the Legislature just 36 days out of 579 days. It does make some of us wonder; is this responsible government?


Have a good weekend everyone, because we all know our MLA’s will be having a good one, and then another good one, and then another… lol.

    Sort of like posting 150 comments on “Friday Free for All” versus 65.

    The legislature, when there is a majority government, is not really where work gets done. Majority building is not required to be effective. The effectiveness of a government, just like any other enterprise, is measured by output, not input.

    The output is measured by how many bills were passed and how meaningful those bills were to allow government to do those things the government was elected to do.

    In order for a journalist to measure a government by the output is hard work especially if one needs to be objective at the same time. Since there are few media which are total neutral/objective rather than left or right leaning (biased), that is difficult to do.

    So, some journalists and the corporate media which supports them believe that by writing about input, they can get their message across. I call that the dumbing down of the media and its responsibility to its audience. Then again, I also believe that the audience is no longer as interested in objective journalism. It is too difficult for many to understand. They want a quick fix confirmation of what they have already think. They are not interested in someone changing their minds.

    Sort of like posters on news blogs. Writing long articles is counterproductive. Like Sergeant Joe Friday used to say: “just the facts, ma’am, just the facts.”

      Here is a section under the BC Legislature’s “Member’s Remuneration and Pension Act, which states;

      “As a requirement under the Members’ Remuneration and Pensions Act, Members must maintain a record of their attendance at House sittings and prepare a declaration outlining the reason for any absences. This declaration must be submitted to the Clerk of the House between the 1st and 15th day of January and July each calendar year. Any absence in excess of those permitted under the Act will be deducted by Financial Services at the rate of $300 per day from the Member’ s basic compensation upon receipt of instruction from the Clerk.”

      ht tp://members.leg.bc.ca/mla-remuneration/salaries-allowances.htm#deductionforabsence

      Deduct $300 dollars a day you say for any MLA not attending House Sittings? Nonsense, just have the government cancel nearly all House sitting then… a nice way of getting around this legislation. Perhaps the next government should draft legislation requiring a minimum number of House sittings, to ensure ummm… I don’t know, ensure basic Legislative operations remain some what “functional”?

      We have all heard about kids playing “hooky” from school, but from the leaders of this province, this is getting ridiculous!

      Question: What is the difference between a Federal Conservative Government proroguing parliament and the BC Liberals simply cancelling a session of the 2016 Fall Legislature?

      Answer: No difference really, however at least in December 2009, Prime Minister Harper prorogued Parliament again, claiming that he didn’t want to have the government in session during the Vancouver Winter Games in February, 2010.

      Trying to avoid the Afghan Detainee boondoggle, Harper at least provided some pathetic reason (the Winter Olympics) for ending Parliamentary sittings, but the reason why the BC Government cancelled the fall legislature sitting?

      Time-off, on the tax payers dime, for Liberal MLAs to prepare for, and campaign in, the up-coming provincial election, one would assume.

      So JGalt just because the legislature is not sitting do really believe the politicians are doing noting, really?

      Part of the reason for the Legislature to sit is so that government legislation and programs that are now in force can be evaluated by other MLAs, the Opposition. It is a fundamental aspect of how our system works. Everyone knows that, so when the Liberals cancel a sitting they are effectively removing themselves from the line of fire as best they can. That is the reason Christy Clarke has cancelled the Fall sitting. She does not want the bad press from the NDPs criticisms and their focus on her failings and those of her government as we enter the final few months before the next election.

      I agree ammonra, I believe a sitting provincial legislature, where the opposition has the opportunity to question the government, is important for ensuring there is an open and accountable government.

    What is so pressing that we need to have a Fall sitting of the Legislature for anyways?

      The NDP wants to bang on the tables some more before an election call

    So you think the only time an MLA works is when the legislature is in session???

    Wow, you really need to educate yourself on the workload of your representative.


      It is the old Peter Principle … read the part about “professional automatons” … those who are evaluated by input (tardiness, tidiness, sick days) rather than output.

      Being evaluated by output means the evaluator has to be competent in the knowledge of what it takes to be competent by the actor(s).

      In this case, has the government set some objectives during the majority parties election campaign and then brought that forward in the throne speech.

      Are people able to make a judgement based on the objectives and their attainment, or do they have to stoop to determining the measurement of a government by the number of days it sat?

      Based on Legislative output compared to the number of days the government sat, the Diefenbaker government of the late 1950s was one of the most competent minority governments since it accomplished 90% of what it set out to do (30 bills with 27 passed) and did it with fewer sitting days (78 from 1957 to 1958) than any minority government since then.


      You would be surprised how much lobbying and compromise can be done between opposite sides outside of the inefficiencies of the commons.

      I think that when good laws were passed and enacted and all the different government departments are working as required – a fall session is not required! So the MLAs are doing their jobs in their respective ridings! Great!

      Do you really think the BC Liberals have been passing good laws? History does not support this claim:

      Critics of BC’s tough new drunk driving laws say it’s another win for driver’s disputing penalties as a BC Supreme Court Judge has ruled against the Superintendent of Motor Vehicles for going forward with hearings under laws that were struck down. ~ CKNW.com August 25, 2014 07:18 pm

      The B.C. Supreme court has ruled that the province “has breached the honour of the Crown by failing to consult” with the Gitga’at and other Coastal First Nations on the Enbridge Northern Gateway pipeline. ~ CBC News, Jan 14, 2016 4:38 AM PT

      Supreme Court says BC Liberals violated Charter of Rights – Court rules in favour of Health Care Workers, throws out sections of Bill 29. ~ HAS, June 8, 2007

So the Blue Jays are facing the Cleveland Indians and the politically correct are out if full force calling the Cleveland Indians “racist”. Even the Edmonton Eskimos are being mentioned as being racist, what a load of bunk. The term racist is tossed around so freely now it has almost lost its meaning. It has almost got to the point when a bank or store is robbed the description will be nothing more than 5’11” tall as not to offend anyone. It is to the point where people actively look for things to be offended by.

    the short people might be offended as it might be giving preferential mention to tall people.

    I agree, I wonder if there is anything one can say or do now days that someone isn’t going to take exception to.

    Even ones comments or feelings posted on here get rude and nasty comments rather than rebuttals.

    If one was to look up how the Cleveland team got its nickname, there is nothing racist about it. The teams best player was native and the club became the “Indians”. If anybody is insulted, it should be real Indians. You know….people from India.

    JGalt, if your ‘thinking’ is any indication of the direction those on the ‘left’ would take us, given the opportunity, you must be one of the greatest assets those on the ‘right’ have ever been given.

    Believe it or not JGalt this forum is not soley for your political drivel and climate elitist rants. It is because of people like you that we have a “hurt feelings” report at work.

    Of course not porn guy Peter North, this forum is for you to bring up all things about race!

    It wouldn’t be a Friday free for all without JGalt race baiting..

    I posted political commentary, Peter North posted the race comment… so how was I race baiting? Do you even know what race baiting means?

    It may take Peter North and northman some effort and time to answer my questions about race baiting, so please be patient, they are trying their best folks!

    ht tp://tinyurl.com/h6rkf6x

    JGalt, if you spent less time on the Peter North website you may notice that the Cleveland Indians name is the hot topic at the moment with the ballgame tonight. It is called “current events”.

    I see JGalt has resorted to calling people names now. Just how low can he go?

    This news story is only 4 days old, so it should be considered a “current event” as well.


    Sure is nice to see political correctness spreading through-out the USA. More and more people are starting to recognize the slaughter, and slavery, of North American Indians, by Columbus and his men, is something NOT to be celebrated.

    Such a positive good news story! Hmmm… makes me want to research and share more “current events” like this with everyone on here. Come on everyone follow my lead and, post some more positive Aboriginal “current event” stories.

Keep right except to pass and for the love of Pete (who is Pete anyhow?) turn your damn lights on and put down the phone!

    I’m going to add one to the list…. learn to use your damned turn signal.

      And, I’m going to add—Slow down when the slush & snow is dangerous!! It’s winter driving, now folks. DUH! I don’t need my little car pranged because of Your driving.

Ok, I have to share this lady’s comment on the carbon tax b.s. from Brad Wall’s post today. Love it!
“Ian Rutherford Plimer is an Australian geologist, professor emeritus of earth sciences at the University of Melbourne , professor of mining geology at the University of Adelaide , and the director of multiple mineral exploration and mining companies. He has published 130 scientific papers, six books and edited the Encyclopedia of Geology.
Born: 12 February 1946
Residence: Australia
Nationality: Australian
Fields of Study: Earth Science, Geology, Mining Engineering
Institutions: University of New England , University of Newcastle , University of Melbourne , University of Adelaide
Alma mater: University of New South Wales , Macquarie University
Thesis: The pipe deposits of tungsten-molybdenum-bismuth in eastern Australia (1976)
Notable Awards: Eureka Prize (1995,2002), Centenary Medal (2003), Clarke Medal (2004)
Where Does the Carbon Dioxide Really Come From?
PLIMER: “Okay, here’s the bombshell. The recent volcanic eruption in Iceland . Since its first spewing of volcanic ash has, in just FOUR DAYS, NEGATED EVERY SINGLE EFFORT you have made in the past five years to control CO2 emissions on our planet – all of you.
Of course, you know about this evil carbon dioxide that we are trying to suppress – it’s that vital chemical compound that every plant requires to live and grow and to synthesize into oxygen for us humans and all animal life.
I know….it’s very disheartening to realize that all of the carbon emission savings you have accomplished while suffering the inconvenience and expense of driving Prius hybrids, buying fabric grocery bags, sitting up till midnight to finish your kids “The Green Revolution” science project, throwing out all of your non-green cleaning supplies, using only two squares of toilet paper, putting a brick in your toilet tank reservoir, selling your SUV and speedboat, vacationing at home instead of abroad, nearly getting hit every day on your bicycle, replacing all of your 50p light bulbs with £5 light bulbs ….. well, all of those things you have done have all gone down the tubes in just four days.
The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth’s atmosphere in just four days – yes, FOUR DAYS – by that volcano in Iceland has totally erased every single effort you have made to reduce the evil beast, carbon. And there are around 200 active volcanoes on the planet spewing out this crud at any one time – EVERY DAY.
I don’t really want to rain on your parade too much, but I should mention that when the volcano Mt. Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, it spewed out more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than the entire human race had emitted in all its years on earth.
Yes, folks, Mt. Pinatubo was active for over one year – think about it!!!!
Of course, I shouldn’t spoil this ‘touchy-feely tree-hugging’ moment and mention the effect of solar and cosmic activity and the well-recognized 800-year global heating and cooling cycle, which keeps happening despite our completely insignificant efforts to affect climate change.
And I do wish I had a silver lining to this volcanic ash cloud, but the fact of the matter is that the bush fire season across the western USA and Australia this year alone will negate your efforts to reduce carbon in our world for the next two to three years. And it happens every year.
Just remember that your government just tried to impose a whopping carbon tax on you, on the basis of the bogus ‘human-caused’ climate-change scenario.
Hey, isn’t it interesting how they don’t mention ‘Global Warming’ anymore, but just ‘Climate Change’ – you know why? It’s because the planet has COOLED by 0.7 degrees in the past few years and these global warming bull artists got caught with their pants down.
And, just keep in mind that you might yet have an Emissions Trading Scheme – that whopping new tax – imposed on you that will achieve absolutely nothing except make you poorer. It won’t stop any volcanoes from erupting, that’s for sure.
But, hey, relax……give the world a hug and have a nice day!”

I cut & paste this off another site…these are not my words but wanted to share them, because David Suzuki certainly won’t.

    Wow, a mining geologist is suddenly a climate expert. This guy calls himself a scientist? With an idiotic rant like that? I guess he has never heard of cumulative effect when he went on his lunatic rant.

      Why thank you, Hahaha, for your endorsement.

      Your multi-layered ad hominum is a way of saying you can’t disagree with what Plimer says, therefor you’re agreeing with him.

      I guess you didn’t actually read the whole post so I’ll just point out that eminent geologist Plimer’s main point was about geological events, volcanic eruptions and their emissions:

      “The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth’s atmosphere in just four days – yes, FOUR DAYS – by that volcano in Iceland has totally erased every single effort you have made to reduce the evil beast, carbon. And there are around 200 active volcanoes on the planet spewing out this crud at any one time – EVERY DAY.
      I don’t really want to rain on your parade too much, but I should mention that when the volcano Mt. Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, it spewed out more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than the entire human race had emitted in all its years on earth.”

      1) If you think anything I posted means that I agree with the guy then you are seriously deluded.

      2) You posting his “qualifications” to lend credibility to his rant, because it is coming from an ‘expert” showed how little confidence you had in your own man’s credibility to begin with.

      3) Accusing me of an ad hominid attack is the pot calling the kettle black when you post a rant from a guy whose entire argument is to belittle anybody who was trying to lower their carbon footprint.

      4) Nothing he spouted had any scientific backing to support it which goes back to why you tried to reinforce his lack of scientifically backed opinion by trying to emphasize his credentials.

      5) Even if this volcano did “erase” gains, the total amount of carbon in the biosphere is still less than it would have been if “people driving their priuses” had done nothing at all and took your tack of maintaining as much carbon output as they wanted.

      1) People use ad hominems when they can’t dispute the speakers claim. This is an attempt to disqualify the speaker and thus nullify the data he presents. If you could dispute his data, you wouldn’t resort to ad hominems, thus in using one you are in essence saying that you agree with what he said. If you don’t want us to take it that way, refrain from using them.

      2) From the content of your ad hominem, it appeared you hadn’t read all the way through the post. I merely pointed out (for your information) that he is very much qualified to speak as he did, contrary to your ad hominem claim.

      3) I didn’t post it, Hillbilly171 did. And the whole point of Plimer’s “rant” was to point out to deluded greenies that all their efforts and sacrifices were miniscule and negated by one small portion of one natural event out of hundreds. That “fighting climate change” is an exercise in futility. If you feel belittled it would be because you realized how gullible you’ve been.

      4) Just because he didn’t cite the science behind his claims does not mean it has no scientific backing. In fact it does, if you had just a modicum of knowledge about what volcanos emit, you would know that. If you don’t, you could easily look it up and learn it.

      5)True, if the Prius drivers had driven gas guzzlers there would be more CO2 in the atmosphere. But the difference is so miniscule as to have no effect at all, even if the global warming scam was true.

Conformance truth

“Th[e] modern susceptibility to conformity and obedience to authority indicates that the truth endorsed by authority is likely to be accepted as such by a majority of people, who are innately obedient to authority. This obedience-truth will then become a consensus truth accepted by many individuals unable to stand alone against the majority. In this way, the truth promulgated by the propaganda system-however irrational-stands a good chance of becoming the consensus, and may come to seem self-evident common sense.” — Edwards, David Burning

    Exactly proudtobepg; this tends to happen when there are too many sheeple, these conformists rarely ever question authority.

    That goes a long way to explaining why so many people believe the dangerous global warming myth.

      Ummm… no Dirtman, you are confusing non-conformists with being “conspiracy nuts” like yourself, there is a difference!

      ht tp://webpages.scu.edu/ftp/mburrill/images/cgon507l.jpg

      Ummm…wrong JGalt.

      “In this way, the truth promulgated by the propaganda system-however irrational-stands a good chance of becoming the consensus,”

      A perfect description of how the global warming scam was so accepted by the sheeple.

      Dirtman, you must be talking about the “sheeple” who put man on the moon?

      ht tp://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

      Carry on because all NASA and all of the other scientific organizations are simply promoting the “global warming myth” as a means for getting more government funding, world wide of course!

      Ah yes, the argument from authority. If NASA says it, it’s almost as if God Himself had spoken!

      But that would be the same NASA whose members have a vested interest in the scam continuing, the NASA that regularly “adjusts” data to make it fit with their agenda.

      “Actual, original data have been changed so much and so often that they are almost unrecognizable from the original entries. For example, the 0.7 degree Celsius (1.3F) of cooling between 1940 and the 1970s – which had the world worried about another Little Ice Age – has simply “disappeared” in these corrupted-computer-model re-writes of history.”

      ht tps://www.masterresource.org/debate-issues/real-worrisome-trend-i/
      “Here I found 32 versions of GLB.Ts.txt going back to September 24, 2005. I was a bit disappointed the record did not go back further, but was later surprised at how many historical changes can occur in a brief 2 1/2 years.The first thing I did was eliminate versions where no changes to the data were made.

      On average 20% of the historical record was modified 16 times in the last 2 1/2 years. The largest single jump was 0.27 C. This occurred between the Oct 13, 2006 and Jan 15, 2007 records when Aug 2006 changed from an anomoly of +0.43C to +0.70C, a change of nearly 68%.”

      ht tp://joannenova.com.au/2016/04/so-nasa-giss-says-it-does-not-fudge-numbers/#more-48405
      ht tp://joannenova.com.au/2016/03/hottest-seasonally-adjusted-month-ever-hyperbole-runs-wild/

Hostility is not racism! Most Canadians that do not work for a government entity (real taxpayers) are naturally upset when they read of minority groups whose life long entitlements are almost unbelievable. free this free that…. somebody has to pay the piper eventually folks.

    You clods who think government employees aren’t taxpayers really crack me up.

      They are taxpayers, same as non-government employees. The difference is in the level and nature of their productivity. In many instances it is comparable. In some others, it is not. Governments are often riddled with employees where their actual functionality seems to be completely counter-productive to the overall earning of the wealth in which they demand a share.

      Governments are often riddled with employees where their actual functionality seems to be completely counter-productive to the overall earning of the wealth in which they demand a share.


      Based on that logic, then many large enterprises in the private sector are also governments. Ever try and find someone at Canadian Tire who can tell you where to find masking tape?

      Ever try to find someone at Canadian Tire who even knows what masking tape is?

      I’m convinced that big everything is bad. Big business, big government, everything. Give me mom and pop any day and a civil service that is effective and civil. There’s been enough of this entitlement crap.

      Actually Hahaha they are tax dollar recyclers.

      Think about it.

      NMG:-“Ever try and find someone at Canadian Tire who can tell you where to find masking tape?”

      Yes, actually I have. Not only told me where I could find it, but guided me right to where it was, asked what I was trying to mask off with it, and suggested what they thought would be the best type of tape for that job. Pretty good service, I thought.

      Nice. Sounds similar to the last time I came through the border and the customs officer has us cleared and on our way in about 30 seconds.

      Perhaps much of our complaining and generalizing doesn’t hold water after all?

    Government workers pay their tax with Monopoly money?


    Sounds like a Trump voter to me. ;-)

My daily beef

WHAT”S with these young female drivers who still cross intersections on red thinking they still have time… don’t the drivers realize they could kill someone in the process??? These young people need more supervised driving. It happens daily and I cringe when I see it happening

    Not just young people. I almost got irnoned out by an old jigger in a mini van at a cross walk a couple weeks ago..

That’s fantastic News that Shelly Band is putting in a gas station with a convenience store that will be cheaper than Costco. My experience is that these Band stations have better quality gas and lasts longer. Ten minute drive out there will certainly be worth the savings.

And the Band also bought the old theater on Vancouver street which they hope to turn into a Convention Centre… Great news since more hotels coming up and more events happening..

And what’s with closing comments on a lot of aborigional issues happening in PG on 250..

    “And what’s with closing comments on a lot of aborigional issues happening in PG on 250.”

    -People like Jgalt start race wars on the forums that’s why..

      I totally agree! a good example that supports this is the “Re-naming B.C.” issue. When Global BC posted that story a couple of weeks ago, people were asked if they would support this name change. The majority said “NO’ without adding anything else to their comment. Yet! individuals started to attack them as racist!! What gives! If I voice my opinion and it agrees with yours, everybody is happy. if my opinion disagrees with yours, I’m a racist. Too many people trying to be too politically correct now days. Time to get off the high horse and deal with real problems!

      Look out ohreally, you are going to draw the rath of JGalt.

    The gas all comes from the same refinery, the quality is the same. It will be much cheaper for Band members because being on the Rez it’s tax free to them. But for the rest of us, we will still have to pay full tax load.

    Best of luck to them, I hope it’s a huge success.

    More race baiting from Ataloss.

    Completely agree, there are many civilized people who would be offended by the comments of some who post on here. Morris, Manitoba is just one example, another would be the young Aboriginal teen; Colten Boushie who died after being shot on a farm near Biggar, Sask. All he was doing was approaching the farmer to ask for help because his family’s car got a flat tire.

    That incident sparked a flurry of racist comments on social media, to the point where Sask Premier Brad Wall pleaded for some “civility”, that plea enraged the racists, which prompted even more hate speech.

    Perhaps the RCMP should start monitoring this site for “hate speech”, investigate, and followup with charges? They are doing exactly that in Sask.


    Actually Costco sells top tier gas, not all gas stations in town do. Look up top tier gas. Gas Buddy lists top tier gas stations.

    As for selling at a cost less than Costco have to wait and see. Looking at gas buddy Costco is the cheapest where ever its located.

    Now gas would be much cheaper if not for carbon tax. Maybe the native station get eliminate the carbon tax?

      He chuckled and joked “It will be cheaper than Costco.”

      Much cheaper if not for carbon tax? Naw, the carbon tax is only 7 cents per liter, less than the amount it rises before every holiday weekend.

      But as I understand it, band members won’t have to pay any tax including carbon tax, the rest of us will.

Brrrr. So what happened to this warm autumn we’re supposed to be enjoying?

    That’s right!! I trust Ataloss will have turned the gas off to his house and will be relying soley on his solar panels to heat his house.

      I’m sure he has. It would be hypocritical of him not to.

How interesting that the race baiting comments always emanate from either of the two left wing looney ideologues on this site? It’s like they are constantly trolling hoping to incite.
For the record simply disagreeing with entitlement where it’s not warranted, special treatment based on RACE, and refusing to conform to the lefty PC standards of today do not make me or anyone else a racist. What it does mean is that we are able to make our own decisions based on evidence and not group think.
To label non-conformity as hate speech is the height of hypocrisy from the real RACE BAITERS that frequent this site.

    Jgalt no wonder your poor patients that are stuck with you as a GP complain so bitterly. All you do all day is throw out loony leftist propaganda and try to stir up hate speech. You are the definition of a troll. Worry more about your patients and less about others comments would go a long way in your brutal Doctor ratings.

    Pathetic that JGalt always resorts to “Mudslinging” and “Name calling” when others on this site post something that does not agree with his train of thought or political beliefs.

    Pathetic that people like Peter North, who post racist comments, would think of themselves as the “victims” of mudslinging, and… gasp… name calling. How mean and ignorant are we who would dare disagree with their racist views and comments.

    So JGalt, I make a comment as a point of discussion and you claim it is a racist comment. Using your twisted logic then I suppose you would also call the CBC, ESPN, TSN, Sportsnet West, The Globe and Mail, The Washington Post, Global and other news sources as racist as they also carry this story? By the way I am Metis so I think I have a right to discuss this story, can you say the same? I doubt it.


    Read the posts above this one and see who started it. NOT J.Galt!!!!

    So, it is certainly not always. Time to fact check. Starting to get used to that with the election campaign south of us.

      gopg2015, are you confirming JGalt is a “left wing looney ideologues”? NyteHawwk’s comment is above yours and he did not mention any names.

      I would have to agree with gopg2015, from what I read, before some of the comments were taken down, JGalt was not the one who started the race baiting comments, rather he/she was off on her/his usual anti-BC Liberal rant.

      I think some on here are giving JGalt a hard time because of his/her anti-BC Liberal stance. For the most part, I enjoy reading JGalts comments, they are informative and are usually backed up with facts based links.

      Some of you are making this into too much of a soap opera, as far as I’m concerned.

      Soap opera?….. I agree.

      I agree that J.Galt is a left wing ideologue.

      Those on the other side who rarely, if ever, make objective posts are right wing ideologues.

      As far as injecting the word “looney” in there, try reading the rules for this site for a change.

      When Trump uses that language and worse, we know where he gets it from. We are seeing a reflection of parts of the population in him if one really thinks about it.

Now here is a train wreck in Ontario and coming to Alberta and the rest of Canada thanks to our dear leader.

ht tp://joannenova.com.au/2016/10/ontarios-electricity-carnage-a-train-wreck-electricity-costs-double-to-reduce-carbon-at-250ton/#comment-1846591

Looks like coal is still a good investment

ht tps://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/10/14/green-nightmare-war-on-coal-cant-stop-fuels-enduring-demand/

Now about those energy subsidies.

ht tps://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/10/12/the-truth-about-energy-subsidies-solar-gets-436-times-more-than-coal/

About that evil Enbridge


Enbridge owns and operates energy infrastructure in Canada and the United States with pipeline networks carrying oil, gas, and gas liquids from producers to their end users.

The business is essentially one big tollbooth, collecting fees from customers for using the system.

Enbridge just signed an agreement to purchase Spectra Energy for $37 billion. The deal creates North America’s largest energy infrastructure company with $26 billion in commercially secured near-term growth projects.

As the new assets go into service, Enbridge plans to hike increase its dividend by at least 10% per year through 2024.

Long-term Enbridge shareholders are very happy with their returns. A $10,000 investment in the stock 15 years ago would be worth $99,000 today with the dividends reinvested.

    I rest my case , LOL .

I couldn’t agree more Nytehawwk. Well said

You’re funny and I suspect not very successful financially mutt . There is no way for you to monetize your denial unless you get paid by big fossil for your futile effort . How ever the opposite is true for us . We are up 12k on a remediation play the last nine sessions . That’s the star this week everything else is up . I actually feel sorry for guys like you . I only hope you won’t be too much of a burden on society . If you aren’t already . You remind me of some of my ex coworkers laughing at my constant reading of finacial books, while they read and discussed the news in the national inquirer and hockey news .

    As usual no useful response. Notice you where real quiet about Peter’s column.

      It’s only useful if you learn to read things that are useful . As for the great Orange bafoon . Who cares ? I’m Canadian . If those people in the states chose an idiot to lead them over a cliff there is nothing I can do about it . Except tighten up my stops .

      Yet another person who does not understand that the USA is a superpower if not THE superpower and as the USA goes, the world goes.

      Sure, Canadians can’t vote unless they have dual citizenship or are permanent residents or visitors or NAFTA workers. They need to vote and should be encouraged to vote by those Canadians who know any of them.

      Yet another person who does not understand that the USA is a superpower if not THE superpower and as the USA goes, the world goes. …….. I sure hope you don’t actually believe your statement . Regardless , I have more at stake in the election than you think . I have skin in the game . We will be ready for either out come . If Hillary wins . We’ll double down . If stupid wins . ???????? What to do ? It’s been a little while since the world has had to deal with another incarnation of Benito . On the other hand he might make the trains run on time .

      So you do not agree that we have seen the Americanization of the world following WWII?

      Do you want to start with the Big Mac mentality and then move forward from that?

      If the USA was not a superpower with all its weapons an its foreign policy, people would have less fear and more respect for the country.

      It has now gotten to the extent that Russia is once more interested in US politics because they made a move in the Crimea that was not liked by the USA and its NATO allies which caused counter move on NATO’s part by moving some missiles closer.

      “the Boys” are playing war games again.

      The only way a non-superpower can play that games is by not following the rules of war and cutting peoples heads off and bombing historic sites which represent the wrong religious sect.

      I forget to add, injecting a wingnut such as Trump into that political environment as the commander in chief who can push the button at any time he is not given the respect he thinks he deserves, is national and international suicide.

      The doomsday clock has been moving closer to midnight again as a result of a country some do not realize is a superpower.

      Canada is not a superpower. Most of the world countries are simply not in the league of a superpower.

      What happens in the good ol’ USA affects the whole world. Duck and cover isn’t going to help! We live too close to the elephant!

    Speculating on the financial success of another person when you don’t know his/her personal risk tolerance, income or utility needs is NOT the mark of someone who is financially intelligent as you so claim to be Ataloss. In fact its arrogant, and arrogance is NOT the mark of someone who is financially intelligent.

    “We are up 12k on a remediation play the last nine sessions.” Post the stock symbol please..

    What’s the PE Ratio?
    What’s the EPS?
    What’s the growth rate over your “nine sessions”?
    Is the growth sustainable and how can you tell..?
    Does it pay a dividend? And is the dividend sustainable?
    Do you know how the business makes money..?
    What are the tax implementations? Flow through shares..?
    Are they diluting the stock to raise capital?
    What are the insiders doing?

    If you answered a “zero” or ” I don’t know” for any of the above questions your “play” is a speculation at best and you better re analyze your exit strategy and emotions tied to it..

      And for the love of god please don’t tell us its Tesla Motors..

      I’ll answer one question only . It’s one of my high Octane speculation plays that is nicely tucked away in our TFSAs . Can you guess which question that answers ?

Would it kill a local media outlet (print, radio, etc.) to cover other sports than hockey? It sure would be great to see pictures of and read about sports like volleyball, basketball, gymnastics, swimming, archery, judo, skiing, etc.

    Could have anything to do with gambling ? Alway keep your eyes on the money B&B , that’s where answers lay .

Mark Steyn has some interesting reads. Also interesting how his book, America Alone, written ten years ago which at the time was pooed pooed as fiction, is becoming quite factual. He even covers scary Hillary.

ht tp://www.steynonline.com/

    How exactly would reading this tripe be useful ?

      Ataloss Your canned response is so predictable.

      So is yours.

      Tit for tat is all you guys are capable of. One is no different than the other.

      Ever think of taking the high ground?

      Reading that “tripe” would be useful in educating you as to the reality of what’s happening in the world.

    “It’s the end of the world – as we know it.”

    It has been that for all the people who have ever lived on this planet.

    The difference is, we have world wide communication now which started about the time of the discovery of the “new world”. Before that it was definitely “the world as they then knew”.

    The duration of “eras” in the last several centuries has become shorter and shorter over time. The faster we are able to communicate, the more we change and the more the globe changes.

    That being said, there are still people in the world whose “world” is much smaller than the world those who live in urban Canada know.

    This fellow is not different than an Alvin Toffler, as an example, other than that he is likely an alarmist. But he has the freedom to think that way and people who read him have the right to agree with him.

    BUT, is it the absolute truth? Of course not. It is conjecture, just like Toffler.

      Just looked up Toffler and see he passed away a few months ago.

      One of his thoughts is posted under his name.

      “The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn.

      “You’ve got to think about big things while you’re doing small things, so that all the small things go in the right direction.

      “Knowledge is the most democratic source of power.”

      I guess that last phrase does not apply to Trump …. he thinks he can get to power by being ignorant and simply spouting off whenever one of his screws is loose ….. LOL

      From what little I know of Toffler, it seems he was more about the effects of technological change. Steyn is more about people, politics, population and power shifts. He refuses to be hamstrung by political correctness and tells it like it is. I’ve yet to see anyone refute his analyses and predictions.

Here is the next project for the city energy system and UNBC energy system. Hey its a study from UBC so must be viable.

ht tps://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/10/14/friday-funny-study-models-snow-piles-for-use-as-air-conditioners-yes-really/

    article from 2010 ….



    UBC a bit slow on the uptake.

    Here is what the new airport in Hokkaido did in 2008.

    “As an experiment, from January to March 2008, the bureau had three mounds of snow created, each measuring about 100 meters square and up to 10 meters high. Each was covered with a different insulating material and monitored until early September to determine performance and the extent of snow melt. They decreased in height by about two to four meters while covered, with shrinkage of about 0.5 meters to one meter occurring in midsummer from July to August. Based on these results, the bureau concluded that it is possible to store snow for later use if properly insulated. Plans are in now place to create the snow mounds for storage in the winter of fiscal 2009 for the operation to get started.

    “The project is expected to result in a reduction of about 2,100 tons of carbon dioxide emissions annually at the New Chitose Airport by using stored snow for air conditioning, as well as reduction of up to 30 percent of the energy currently used to cool both domestic and international terminal buildings.”

      The reality, they save about 50 percent of one month’s cooling bill for a few buildings downtown in the summer at Sapporo Station snow melting tank, but still a “cool” idea. They use the storage area during the winter to melt the snow and make room for more. Japan has a lot of neat ideas that came out of necessity but I think because we have the land available we do not need to get rid of the snow by melting it, cheaper to dump it in our snow dumps.

      Did the airport snow tank ever get built? No mention of it after planning stages in 2008.

    Here is what Sweden has been doing since 2000.

    “The snow cooling plant in Sundsvall, Sweden, is used for cooling of the regional hospital. The stored natural and artificial snow is used for comfort cooling from May to August. It was taken into operation in June 2000 and is the first of its kind. Here the plant is described and the experience of its first six years of operation is presented.”


      So running costs were 15.3 euro’s per mWh of cooling or 10,000 euros for the summer and the cost of building the plant was 1.3 million euros. They attained about 93% of the required 655 mWh of cooling in the summer of 2000.

      My interest is not in the global warming aspect but the cost savings if any. The plant has a lifespan of about 40 years so each year with zero interest and zero maintenance the plant cost 32,500 euros. Add 10,000 euros per year for operation and you get 42,500 euros for cooling. This is only 93% of the cooling so the rest is through conventional systems.

      A couple things they do not mention in the report, how much did cooling cost during a normal summer before the plant? Are the snow handling hours added in to the 10,000 euro running cost? This is doubtful due to the fact that just snow handling was 760 man hours for the snow guns plus 10 days for 2 machines to spread the wood chips. Pumps for water and heat exchangers still require electricity to run. They claim payback in 3 years for a plant with a cost of 800k euros – so for that to be true – cooling for 3 months for the hospital is 266,666 plus 30,000 euros or basically 100,000 euros a month for cooling. The hospital still requires conventional equipment inside which doubles as its heating system so I have a hard time swallowing that a conventional refrigerant exchange system has that cost to it. There is no gas involved just an electric compressor. They state the hospital uses on average 1000 MWh annual cooling with a max cooling of 1500 KWh or 5 million BTUs. To operate 400 ton AC unit (5 million BTUs) steady 24 hours a day would cost about $1,200 per day in electricity or $37,951.00 a month (Canadian $). Cooling is not 24 hours a day anywhere so half a day max cooling would be about $18,975 per month. The plant operates for 3 months a year at a cost of 42,500 euros or 1.5x = $63,750 for 3 months. An 400 ton AC can deliver the same max cooling for 3 months at $56,925. I just don’t see where the savings of using a couple acres of snow to cool a hospital is other than a cool project, there is no “payback” that I can see just a different way of doing it.

      The area of the snow pool was 140 x 60 meters which is 15 percent larger than a football field or just over two acres to cool one building

    Hey, have you got any more of those kind of “stupid” suggestions?

    I heard the round wheel was a stupid suggestion at one time as well …. could never outdo rolling stuff on logs. ;-)

      What’s your problem?

      You are changing the topic.

      I asked you a question first. I responded.

      So you figure the hospital project in Sweden is a stupid idea?

      People have been storing the natural ice from lakes for centuries to cool stuff.

      The Enwave Theatre on the shores of Lake Ontario in downtown Toronto is build inside a large ice storage building with extra thick masonry walls where they stored cut ice from the lake under a sawdust blanket and then distributed the ice to ice boxes when they did not have refrigerators.

      It is not all about working against nature. Sometimes it is working with nature.

      No I did not change the subject, you did not answer. All you can come up with is a personal attack and no mature debate, so sad.

      hey using the subject of discussion, chill out dude.

      No I did not change the subject, you did not answer . Next time you want an answer use one of these ????????????????? . Use as many as you like . The more you use , the more urgent your plea will sound/read . You see , this is how being helpful appears .

Hillbilly 171

Guys like this get paid by industries that are negatively impacted. This article lacks data to support his arguments. Go to NASA’s carbon observatory web site to look at the science. Ice core samples have provided historical data of carbon concentrations in the earths atmosphere over thousands of years. He uses a series of illogical arguments that are not supported by the data. Here is a link to a graph that demonstrates the increasing CO2 levels. It has been proven that CO2 traps ultraviolet radiation thereby increasing global temperatures. We could face our own extinction if the temperature gets too high. “Climate Change” deniers use articles like this to confuse readers about the Science. I would believe that NASA has better credentials then this guy. The purpose of this article is to convince the “average Joe” or Jane as the case may be, that the science is wrong.
http ://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/history.html

“First they ignore the science, then they laugh at the science, then they hire people to obfuscate the science, and then they burn”

    Wow, you’ve drunk deep of the Kool-Aid!

    No, guys like Plimer don’t get paid to say that, they say it because they’re ticked at the fraud being perpetrated on the world by climate alarmists. Tell me, just what did he say that is untrue?

    Here he is with more educational and factual information:

    ht tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEPW_P7GVB8

    Indeed, ice cores have preserved data of CO2 concentrations for hundreds of thousands of years, and not only that, they’ve also preserved a record of temperatures over those years. Lo and behold, those ice cores show that warming precedes CO2 increase by at least 800 years!

    CO2 does NOT absorb ultraviolet radiation, that would be ozone. CO2 absorbs infrared radiation. But its ability to absorb is considerably limited and the more CO2 in the atmosphere, the less warming effect any additional CO2 will have. That’s called the logarithmic nature of CO2 warming. And explanation can be found here:

    ht tps://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/03/08/the-logarithmic-effect-of-carbon-dioxide/
    So why all the fear mongering about global warming? It’s a political agenda:

    If they were honest, the climate alarmists would admit that they are not working feverishly to hold down global temperatures — they would acknowledge that they are instead consumed with the goal of holding down capitalism and establishing a global welfare state.

    Have doubts? Then listen to the words of former United Nations climate official Ottmar Edenhofer:

    “One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole,” said Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015.

    So what is the goal of environmental policy?

    “We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy,” said Edenhofer.

    For those who want to believe that maybe Edenhofer just misspoke and doesn’t really mean that, consider that a little more than five years ago he also said that “the next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world’s resources will be negotiated.”

    Mad as they are, Edenhofer’s comments are nevertheless consistent with other alarmists who have spilled the movement’s dirty secret. Last year, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, made a similar statement.

    “This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,” she said in anticipation of last year’s Paris climate summit.

    “This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model for the first time in human history.”

    ht tp://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

looking for information on the cyclist death at 15th and carney , 6-8 weeks+ back i think. Was a name released? There is quite a memorial at the location. He? had quite an impact on many citizens here judging by the scene. Just want to find out more about this person.

thanks in advance

    ht tps://www.facebook.com/louis.olsen.90

      Would be nice to know exactly what happened.

      He rode his bike into the side of the semi trailer.

      If you go to the area look toward downtown on the north sidewalk of 15th ave from the alley to the intersection of Carney – you cannot see traffic approaching the intersection from Carney St because of the fence and tree. The bike rider was on his way downtown riding on the north side along the sidewalk and more than likely planning on running the red light because there was no cross traffic. Most likely did not see the semi truck until it entered the intersection on a green and he could not stop the bike in time. Conjecture because only he knows. Sad story really, absolutely avoidable tragedy, wasn’t even his bike but borrowed. There was a (facebook?) story of him on a cell phone as to why he didn’t see the truck which turned out to be false, no cell phone was found on the roadway.

Looked at a nice men`s toiletry boxed set at a pharmacy today! Nice present! Back of the box says:

Products Made In China
Packaged in Canada

Wow! The box and its contents are made overseas and we Canadians are only allowed to assemble it!

I remember a time when…..well, what is next one wonders!

    Keep voting for the government you like and we will find out, I suppose.

Canadian renewable power share grows from 2% to 11%, says NEB report . Search that . Exponential growth has begun , even in canada .

    $14,000 per MWh – the price South Australia Pays for Renewables Madness

    ht tps://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/07/14/14000-per-mwh-the-price-south-australia-pays-for-renewables-madness/


    U.S. sees lower energy costs while Australia and Europe’s renewable energy mania creates energy price spikes and supply disruptions

    ht tps://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/10/09/u-s-sees-lower-energy-costs-while-australia-and-europes-renewable-energy-mania-creates-energy-price-spikes-and-supply-disruptions/

    Coming soon to Canada? Only an illogical lefty would think this is a good thing.

    I imagine this would be the main reason for that Canadian growth:

    Boondoggle: How Ontario’s pursuit of renewable energy broke the province’s electricity system

    ht tp://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/boondoggle-how-ontarios-pursuit-of-renewable-energy-broke-the-provinces-electricity-system?__lsa=441c-114c

the score after 109 comments is; gopg15 – 18 posts
seamut – 11 posts

    Dirtman – 15 posts.



why are there a seamut and a seamutt ? Same person ?

    Seeing if you are paying attention.

Those of you walking your dogs along Malaspina and letting them crap on our lawns and sidewalk and not picking it up are in for a real treat. Trail cameras are set up and you can expect to have your prizes hand delivered to your homes real soon. I hope you enjoy.

    If you want results dumbfounded put the photos up on Facebook and be amazed . Nothing solves dumb people/pet problems like face book . We’ve done it . It works .

So we have two turkies running for president but how does a vile, lying sexual preditor protecting person get a free ride especially from the general media. Amazing

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