Site C Welcomes New Crew
Fort St. John- A new phase in the construction of the Site C dam is ready to start as the contractor for the turbines and generators is now on site.
Voith Hydro Canada, which has the $470 million dollar contract for the turbines and generators, is mobilizing on the site. Voith has provided equipment for a number of BC Hydro projects, including: Revelstoke Unit 5 Project, Ruskin Dam and Powerhouse Upgrade, and the Gordon M. Shrum Turbine Replacement Project.
The initial on-site work will see the construction of a temporary facility at the dam site to make the steel structures for turbines and generators. Excavation and foundation preparation for the manufacturing facility will start this month and construction of the facility building is expected to be completed in August.
At the peak of installation of the turbines and generators ( in 2022) about 150 workers will be on site.
Quebec, Ontario or Alberta, which one? definitely not BC Workers.
Voith Hydro is a family-owned company based in Germany, with Canadian headquarters in Montreal. Hmm… I wonder how many British Columbians they will be employing to help install those turbines and generators?
Once all these new workers get their new BC addresses they will be British Columbians.
So BH you are also basically saying British Colombians are not allowed to be employed outside the province? You seem to be having an issue researching this topic about employment at site c.
I guess all that physical labor on your mining claim is wearing you down.
Actually, from their website, it would appear that their Canadian Headquarters are not actually in Montreal, but rather are in Brossard, Quebec! Not that it matters much, but just so that we get our FACTS AND TRUTHS factual and truthful, eh Peeps!
From their website:
“Voith is present in all Canadian provinces and territories and plays an important role in the Canadian hydropower market.
Headquartered in Brossard, Quebec, Voith Hydro Canada is focusing on customer service, business development, project management and project administration for Large Hydro, Small Hydro and the Service Business. Brossard also houses a strong engineering team, capable to support projects from a planning phase through implementation to plant commissioning.
Additionally Voith Hydro has a state of the art plant in Mississauga, Ontario, that is recognized as Voith’s global Centre of Excellence for Coil Manufacturing. It also houses the Canadian Service Centre.”
Their phone number is 450-766-2100.
Peeps, why don’t you give them a call and ask them how many British Columbians they will be employing to help install those turbines and generators?
Why don’t you do that, and then get back to us, ok?
P.S. – I don’t think that you should start that phone call by saying “Hi, I’m a grumpy old socialist from Prince George, BC and I demand to know…..” The next sound that you hear might be “click”!
It will all be decided thru the polls come May 9th.
Do you seriously believe the NDP will stop this project?
Don’t be too surprised if the NDP puts a stop to the project given the opportunity! Political ideology often overrules common sense and the perception of reality!
PrinceGeorge calls these evidence based reasons “ideology”… LOL!!!
All the reasons Site C should NOT proceed: BC Hydro’s debt has grown from $8.1 Billion in 2008 to $18.1 Billion this year, the $9 Billion dollar cost of Site C will put BC Hydro into unacceptably deeper debt, our Hydro fees will more than double (probably triple) as a result; The Royal Society of Canada and 250 of Canada’s top scientists and academics have called for a stop to construction of the Site C dam; Marc Eliesen; former CEO of BC Hydro advises against Site C, as does the Chair of the Site C Review Panel Harry Swain; demand for BC Hydroelectricity is actually decreasing NOT increasing as faltering electricity demand among industrial customers will cost BC Hydro $3.5 billion less in revenue, over the term of its 10-year financial plan; finally a new poll indicates 73% of British Columbians support the pausing of Site C to investigate costs and energy alternatives.
There is actually NO compelling reason to proceed with Site C except for “ideological” reasons!
BH, how do corporations worldwide (private or government) finance projects? By borrowing money and then paying down the loan over a number of years! You want them to spend decades doing nothing while trying to save up the money first? Why are you ignoring basic facts again and again? People buy houses by borrowing! Ever heard of mortgages? You say “LOL”? Keep Laughing Out Loud and wallowing in your pessimistic negativity!
So I am off by a few miles on their headquarters and you write a book about it? Typical HG, grabbing onto the simple and not letting go.
When you hold yourself out as some kind of expert, someone who only posts researched FACTS AND TRUTHS, don’t you think that you should double check before you open your yap, so to speak?
So, what did Voith Hydro Canada have to say when you called them?
Shhh, only she can determine what are facts and truths through research
mmmpbt** couldn’t even type that with a straight face… carry on
Voith has already negotiated a labour agreement with The British Columbia Building Trades Unions with 10 BC building Trades participating. The lions share of the work will be done with BC Labor.
The unions are on board! So much for the NDP ideologist commenters being totally out of touch with their supposedly solid labour base!
I seriously believe the NDP is stupid enough to cancel this project. Look what the idiots did in Alberta.
“Alberta should post Canada’s fastest economic growth this year as the energy industry improves and consumer spending picks up, a Conference Board of Canada report says.”
Seems like once again the NDP are cleaning up another government’s mess. They are geniuses in my mind, and the only idiots will be the ones on here still referring to Alberta as a bad example of NDP governance.
Hmmm… so what are the Conservative ideologues going to do now that they can no longer point to the NDP in Alberta as a failed experiment to be used to “scare” everyone here in BC into voting for an out-of-touch, and unaccountable, loser of a Christy Clark government?
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha… my god
Hey haven’t you seen that their provincial debt in Alta? It is projected to hit 45 billion this year and 71 billion by 2019/20 when they are forced to call the next election? They just had credit rating downgrades (sound familiar?) due to their deficits. Contracts are coming up for renewal this year but the NDP budget has no increases built in to accomodate them, hmmm.
You claim that the NDP are such great money managers, but even Horgan says that the voters (ie. you and me) are not concerned with deficits as he points to Trudeau as an example – he won a majority on the pledge to run a 10 billion dollar a year deficit. Horgan says that they will run deficits for the entire 4 year term, maybe read up on your NDP money management skills. He has nunchuk skills, bow hunting skills, computer hacking skills. Voters only like guys who have great skills I guess
They are ONLY $45 billion in debt? Alberta should be so lucky, as the BC Liberals have us in debt to the tune of $66 BILLION.
They are ONLY $45 billion in debt? Alberta should be so lucky, as the BC Liberals have us in debt to the tune of $66 BILLION.
OH MY GOD!
Do you actually believe the garbage you spew?
Cleaning up another governments mess? Holy freaking crap!
Get off the keyboard and actually experience something for yourself.
You post a headline “Alberta should” and come off as its a god given fact and has happened. You fail to mention the HUGE drop in their economy, but its all roses for you because you found somebody who thinks maybe they will have some recovery. When your at the bottom there is nowhere else to go.
OMG, OMG, The Conference Board of Canada says Alberta is on the road to recovery, don’t like what this “reputable Board has to say, or what the Edmonton Sun prints, give them a call Stompin Tom.
45 billion in debt in what – 3 years? 71 billion before their first term is over?
lol you crack me up with your defense of the mighty NDP
as they say, dippers gotta hate
Alberta NDP had to send that money to “stimulate” the economy, and boy did they ever!!! BC Liberals put us in debt by more than 30 Billion for what?
BH, you do know that the NDP during the decade it ruled BC more than doubled the provincial debt? I think you know but you do not wish to go back that far as it does not fit in with your relentless bashing!
If the BCLiberals doubled the provincial debt in 16 years – so what? At least we have something to show for now, like new bridges, highways, schools and so forth! Unlike the mess the NDP left after being trounced and reduced to two (2) MLAs in Victoria!
Stimulate the economy, gotta love that logic. Hey Trudeau used the exact same phrase to get elected – the newspapers are full of stories about how he has stimulated the economy. I read the other day that Alberta has stimulated the economy so much that they will now run surpluses – oh wait, that was just a dream sorry. The only thing that can stimulate their economy is for oil prices to go up, no amount of deficit is going to accomplish that. That is why their provincial credit rating is downgraded, servicing costs on their debt will be over 2 billion annually which now has to be budgeted for in future years
Hey will only take the NDP 4 years to surpass the BC Liberal debt over their 17 years in office. Nice, sign me up for some stimulus!
So true X-it, and they’re still raising taxes.
Voith, has a major factory in Brazil that makes all the turbines for most the world and have done so for 40 years. They have offices everywhere but the production is in Brazil, they also provide all the staffing and ground workers for installation part of the deal and they are knowledgeable with installation. Grunt work done by contractors under their supervision.
Millman you think we have turbine production here in PG? This is a highly specialized field that im sure there are not more than a handful of companies in the world that do it. You are so out of touch with reality I think you are one of BH’s several personalities. LOSER
When the Conservative Right base their political beliefs on “ideology” conspiracy theories are just as believable. *sigh*
We should be installing solar panels, bladeless wind turbines and other forms of inexpensive, less harmful alternative energy sources. No need to flood over 100 square kilometers of prime agricultural land, when there is NO demand for that extra hydro.
Solar panels? Bladeless wind turbines? Other forms of inexpensive ,less harmful alternative energy sources?
Obviously you haven’t bothered to read any of the posted articles related to the mining disasters that are China’s rare earth mines!
Bang! HG goes all the way to the mines in China on a Site C news article.
That’s the best that got tonight Peeps? Where do you think that majority of the rare earth minerals for your solar panel and wind turbine systems from?
Again I ask, how did your phone call to Voith Hydro Canada go?
So you want very expensive inefficient power, wow back to the stone age.
I am sure they can grow hay a little higher up
There are 541 hectares of land or 5.41 square km of currently cultivated land, 1183 hectares or 11,83 sq km of grazing lease. Rest is uncultivated land, most is beside the current river which will double in width.
If you are concerned about microclimate of the area – any valley has a microclimate as does the PG bowl. We built a city on one of the most fertile microclimates in BC. Vanderhoof and the Mud River valley also has a microclimate that has great growing potential – but seems most of it is hay crops and grazing leases. A lot has been bought up by foreign investment and trees have been planted on the fields for carbon credits. More arable land in BC has been lost to carbon credits than this dam will ever harm.
You have to update your “facts and truths” to include that 17 sq km of currently used land will be flooded or the size of one large farm and NOT 100 sq km or 10,000 hectares. 2,775 hectares of ALR land or 27.75 sq km will be flooded
Don’t you ever get tired of being wrong slinky??? “The Site C dam will flood 83 kilometres of the main Peace River Valley extending from south of Fort St. John west towards Hudson’s Hope, plus about 35 kilometres of tributary valleys — Moberly River, Cache Creek, Halfway River, Farrell Creek, and Lynx Creek.”
Hmmm… so if my addition is correct; 83 kms + 35 kms = 118 kms of valleys flooded!
you should work on your reading comprehension.
So BH are bird slicers enviromental neutral?
“The Site C dam will flood 83 kilometres of the main Peace River Valley extending from south of Fort St. John west towards Hudson’s Hope, plus about 35 kilometres of tributary valleys — Moberly River, Cache Creek, Halfway River, Farrell Creek, and Lynx Creek.”
This statement is both correct and incorrect at the same time. In FACT it’s a bit misleading as it leads the uninformed to think that 83 kilometers of the main Peace River Valley will be flooded. The FACT is, the valley is already flooded! That’s why it’s referred tp as the main Peace River Valley! If it wasn’t already flooded, David Suzuki and friends wouldn’t be able to hold their silly little “Paddle for the Peace” events, haha!
This dam will back up the river, from it’s location near Fort St. John all the way upriver to Hudson’s Hope. This will result in the river widening out over the lower valley and becoming a lake as the water backs up behind the dam. Water depths in the lake will be deepest at the dam and depths will become less and less the further upstream one goes towards Hudson’s Hope. The closer one gets to Hudson Hope, the less depth to the lake and the less flooding of the lower valley.
But of course we all know this, except for the uninformed who will read that 83 kilometres of the Peace River Valley and 35 kilometres of tributary valleys will be flooded, and they will do so without realizing that these valleys are already FLOODED!
…and of course, stating 83 and 35 kilometres certainly helps the extremists as they flail around and screaming like Chicken Little that the sky is falling!
Hmmmmmm, BeingHuman, People#1, JGalt, SophicSage and now Peeps?
Peeps, as in Chicken?
Chicken as in Chicken Little?
Peeps as in Chicken Little?
Ha, go figure!
P.S. – How did your phone call to Voith Hydro Canada go? Did you call them, or did you Chicken out?
Sorry Peeps, that’s the best that I have tonight, haha!
BH, if you don’t know the difference between a square kilometer and a kilometer why are you even commenting?
slinky, if you can’t admit you were wrong, and way off on your assertions of land flooded by Site C, why continue to post inaccurate information? Readers want the “facts and truth”.
Sorry ain’t wrong, your post is
They are not flooding 100 square km of prime agricultural land
They are flooding 27.75 square km of ALR land of which 5.41 is in current cultivation (hay) and 11.83 square km is currently used as a grazing lease
Or to be blunt:
118 kms of valleys is a length measurement
100 sq kms is a area measurement
You cannot use one to justify the other
Oh that’s right slinky, according to your thought process the valleys will only be flooded along the “sides of the valleys” length wise, but not in the middle, and rest of the valleys, volume wise… mmmmk! Wow, now that Conservative logic!
Again, try to follow – not all the land to be flooded is “prime agricultural land” and only 27 square kms is even in the ALR of the total 93 square kilometers surface area. And not ALL the land within the ALR is “prime agricultural land” as only 2,600 hectares is even listed as class 2. Pretty hard to flood 100 square kilometers of “prime agricultural land” when that is a larger area than the entire project.
Just admit you got caught with your pants down and move on
No, again you try to follow; “The Peace Valley Environment Association says the amount of land at issue is also misleading. While almost 100 square kilometres of forest and farmland will be flooded, association spokeswoman Andrea Morison says another 230 square kilometres of land will be behind “impact lines,” where banks may slough off into the water over time.”
So now we are up nearly 100 square kms flooded land, and 230 square kms of land “impacted”. WOW!!! a total of 330 square kms of land will be flooded and impacted by the Site C project.
Again it is not horrible to admit your post was wrong, over 100 square kilometres of “prime agricultural land” will not be flooded. As your newest post now states close to 100 square kilometres of forest and farmland will be flooded. The totals are 27.75 square kilometres of ALR land of which about 26 are listed as class 2. That leaves you almost 75 square kilometres short. Only 93 square kilometres will be flooded not “over 100” as your post still says (as you cannot edit it to try and save face) Trying desperately to be right is ok, but admitting your post was wrong is also ok.
Hey Ax. Remember back a few years ago when the *** cancelled the Kemano Completion project.
Hydro is going to add 11 billion dollars to their debt building this environmentally destructive White Elephant monument to Christy Clark. In the meantime, they are going to slow the rise in my electricity rate by….wait for it……sending my electrical bill to me bi-monthly now.
What a f****** farce.
Agreed Hahaha, and we will be paying for this “White Elephant” monument to Christy Clark until 2094!!! Thanks a lot BC Liberals!
So what happened to all the concerns about hiring BC workers? Looks like the subject got changed just a bit after those concerns got shot down!
Ummm… exactly who on here actually shot those concerns down? No one! But there were lots of attempted at deflection to mines in China, NDP Alberta, etc by the Cons on here… oh and lets not forget seamutt’s bird slicers.
We are going to pay big time Christy Clark’s vanity project. Twice the BC Utilities Commission has said this project didn’t make fiscal sense and shelved it but along comes Clark and now we’re building a dam on the promise of LNG and petroleum producers from a decade ago to purchase most of the energy from Site C for use in B.C. and Alberta.
This government has screwed up the energy portfolio like they did to forestry. Clark’s government makes decisions in the best interests of corporations like closing Hydro’s Burrard Thermal Plant, the cleanest operating natural gas standby plant in North America, which cost $20-million a year and produced 900 megawatts, then turns around and pays $55-million annually to a private company on Vancouver Island that can produce only 275 megawatts, can’t reliably deliver energy to the mainland, and has no advanced pollution controls. (Globe & Mail Mar. 26, 2017)
Even BC Hydro’s community relations manager said the energy gained from Site C wouldn’t be needed for 20 to 40 years.
Clark and gang didn’t send this the BC Utilities Commission because they knew it would be tanked, but they proceeded anyway and everyday people will pay for this boondoggle for years and years – not her corporate donor friends though, they get a break on the PST and e-rates and other discounts.
Burrard Thermal cost more to run than Site C ever will, it was expensive power that is why it was shut down. It was at the end of its lifespan. If you actually do some research environmentalists were trying for years to shut down Burrard Thermal as it contributed 7-10% of BCs greenhouse gasses annually, they called it a “belch from the past”. Closing the plant saves BC Hydro 14 million annually.
To build a dam on budget it takes a decade, you can try to build one quickly like in Labrador but any delays cost you big time and big $ and lawsuits, they didn’t plan for snow and cold in the winter months – go figure.
Come on now! “Clark and gang?” We have a gang in charge of running our province? Have you called the RCMP? Extremist political ideology makes some people say things that are totally disconnected from reality.
I guess you could call the rich elites a “gang”.
Sure, one can call anybody anything and you are supporting that concept! So I expect that you will never complain when one calls you names which are undeserved and plain derogatory! Good grief, do you actually pause and think before you hit the keyboard? Today for instance you seem to be determined to expose yourself to more valid criticism than in a long time! Happy journeys to you!
We don’t have to call the RCMP . ElectionBC did it for us . What remains to be seen now is which side of the the law the RCMP are on . The libs have two ex police officers within their midst that have obviously been on side with the pay for play corruption , taking money from long dead donors , etc , etc ,etc .
They didn’t take money from long dead donors it was donated by the KPMG and one of the directors listed had been deceased and that was corrected. The donor was the company not the individual.
The NDP first listed their returned donations at 9,000, then 10,000, lately it has been quoted at 12,000 so if they are not “corrupt” why did they have to return donations? Oh right, they are “less corrupt” because the amounts are smaller… lol
Elections BC couldn’t investigate because of the timing do they turned over the file to the RCMP in order to maintain an air of impartiality during the upcoming election
Better to sell power than have to buy it, and with all the new fade electric cars coming into play people are seriously underestimating how much power it will take to charge them. Christy Clark vision of going green is not talk… and no action. My hat off to her to even get this project off the ground in this day and age where everything is cancelled by negative chronic complainers.
Exactly! Hydro power is a clean power source, in this case readily available! We do not have climate like California where the sunshine can be taken advantage of with solar panels for charging car batteries! Fortunately the negative chronic complainers are outnumbered by the vast majority of realistic people!
Reservoirs are a classic instance of how major human alteration’s to the Earth’s landscape can have unexpected effects. Flooding large areas of Earth can set off new chemical processes as tiny microorganisms break down organic matter in the water, sometimes doing so in the absence of oxygen — a process that leads to methane as a by-product. One reason this happens is that the flooded areas initially contain lots of organic life in the form of trees and grasses.
Meanwhile, as nutrients like nitrogen and phosphorus flow into reservoirs from rivers — being poured in by human agriculture and waste streams — these can further drive algal growth in reservoirs, giving microorganisms even more material to break down. The study finds that for these reasons, reservoirs emit more methane than “natural lakes, ponds, rivers, or wetlands.”
It is also for these reasons that Site C, once completed and operational, would add an estimated 150,000 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions to BC’s carbon footprint, the equivalent of putting 27,000 additional cars on the road.
To counter idiotic wind mill mortality risk . Have a look at ” Causes of bird mortality ” cars alone kill 60 million a year . high voltage transmittion lines from siteC will kill millions per year . That bird slicer BS is a big fossil talking point with no bases in reality . Like most of their talking points more BS spewed by sycophants . If you what reality to seep in search ” causes of bird morality . It takes a minute to see the truth .
If people would look after their house pet cats several bilions more birds annually would be kept from being hunted and killed! The bird slicer thing is just a distraction.
I forgot that windmills require no transmission lines to get their power to the grid. Thanks for the info
The estimate on power line kills in the US are between a few hundred thousand total and 174 million per year, they really know their stuff. My window killed 2 birds last year
It’s tough for some to entertain two or more thoughts at the same time . Generation and transmittion are two separate entities (catagories ) of risk . Very much like light coming through a window and the window itself . Glad to see you are trying some acrobatic thinking . It’s a start for you that you’ll not regret .
No you stated that transmission lines from site C will kill millions of birds in defence of windmills. That implies that transmission lines from windmills do not kill birds. You require the same amount of transmission lines for the same amount of generation be it from windmills or dams. Windmill farms are not built in populous areas for the most part and require transmission upgrades as well.
So to even back up your claims you would have to take the entire length of transmission lines in Canada and divide it by 10 million estimated birds and multiply by the length of Site C transmission line to get a close estimate to the number of bird kills from it. Unless the transmission lines will be 1 tenth of Canada’s entire transmission infrastructure your numbers are slightly off. Even using the high estimate of 41 million birds killed would not get you anywhere near a million from site c
Of coarse no one wants anyone to know the real stats for these Bird Slicers. This is the new green energy that is being pushed down our throats. Some stats are saying death rates are 10 to 20 times what where previously quoted. And a lot more bird slicers are on the way. It is a real problem that needs accurate assessments and real facts. I cannot think of any other project that is responsible for killing such hugh numbers of creatures with no regard to lives. Just the comments on here proves that. It is a real problem that is for sure and not just talk.
All the Complainers can pull the Meter and work and live off the Grid and don’t forget to find that old Washboard and get yourself a Team and Cart to
go ” Back to the Past”. I think Hydro Power Generation is to stay.
BC Hydro’s debt has grown from $8.1 Billion in 2008 to $18.1 Billion this year, the $9 Billion dollar cost of Site C will put BC Hydro into unacceptably deeper debt, our Hydro fees will more than double (probably triple) as a result; The Royal Society of Canada and 250 of Canada’s top scientists and academics have called for a stop to construction of the Site C dam; Marc Eliesen; former CEO of BC Hydro advises against Site C, as does the Chair of the Site C Review Panel Harry Swain; demand for BC Hydroelectricity is actually decreasing NOT increasing as faltering electricity demand among industrial customers will cost BC Hydro $3.5 billion less in revenue, over the term of its 10-year financial plan.
As anniemartin points out; twice the BC Utilities Commission has said this project didn’t make fiscal sense and shelved it; BC Hydro’s own community relations manager said the energy gained from Site C wouldn’t be needed for 20 to 40 years.
No surprise a new poll indicates 73% of British Columbians support the pausing of Site C to investigate costs and energy alternatives. So at the end of all this discussion, the evidence against Site C stacks high against… against, what reasons for building Site C put forth by the Pro-Liberal crowd on here??? So we can power our electric vehicles in the future seems to be the only vague reason they put forward to support the building of this debt inducing mega project. A debt two generations of our children will be saddled with… how sad!!!
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