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Friday Free for All – July 28th, 2017

Friday, July 28, 2017 @ 12:00 AM

Another  Month is quickly coming to a close  as is the week.

This  is your opportunity to speak up on issues that matter to you  as it is time for the Friday Free For All.

You pick the topic,  but please,  refrain from  name calling.  Those who  bully  others will  have their comments edited , removed  or  lose their  privileges.

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All evacuees heading home, have a safe trip home.

    Yup, and we are glad to help you out. Come back and visit us again–but under better circumstances!! Stay safe.

Yes indeed. I hope all of you don’t have another evacuation order and that you can all get your lives back into some semblance of normalcy. But don’t hesitate to come on back if the need arises.

Have a great weekend everyone!

PG stepped up to the plate big time over the past couple of weeks and enough can’t be said about that its something we should be proud of and embrace openly.

Several businesses in town brought some evacuees into their operations to help them still get some money and others offered huge discounts to evacuees

People opened their homes and donations were overwhelming

Unfortunately there is a dark side to this as well
There was and is a certain part of the population of PG that took full advantage of the situation and they ranged from full out criminals to soccer moms and dads who would abuse the system by saying they were an evacuee just so that they could get the discounts or free stuff

There were the people who were upset evacuees got special treatment I witnessed this first hand on several occasions the most memorable was the woman who was at City Hall to complain that evacuees were getting free access to City facilities and why were the citizens of PG not receiving at least a discount.

Then there were the thefts and harassment by people of PG to the evacuees there were lots of thefts from people and there were cases of harassment as well

There was lots of good things that came out of this but there was some very dark and bad things that we the citizens of PG should not be proud of or tolerate as well

    Dearth. Did you not read the article posted here on July 26th stating that the crime severity index in Prince George increased in 2016 over 2015.

    I am sure that the evacuee’s did not experience anything worse in Prince George, than what we experience on a regular basis. Furthermore the crime in Williams Lake is about the same as Prince George.

    I am not surprised that some people tried to work the system, that’s par for the course in these types of situations.

    Overall things worked out pretty good.

      You guys nave crime in PG. Hart Guy told me all the crime in BC is in Abby.

    Then there was a lot of people on fb who from the past, were struggling, yet taking in people then asking for beds, microwaves, new stoves ect… think they benefited more than the evacuees.

      Yup, there were/are people asking to have their cars repaired and pretty much anything else you can think of. One go fund me page was looking for 50k to buy equipment for our firefighters because our govt was running out or just not getting them what they needed.

No worse than Smithers opening an evacuation centre so they could get a piece of the government pie.

    Good old Nate wasn’t going to miss the opportunity to don his Social Justice Warrior outfit and leap to the aid of the downtrodden. :)

Have not heard any comment from the Leader of the Opposition in regards to Petronas announcement that the LNG plant in Port Edward will not go forward, or about the state of the LNG industry in BC going forward.

    Andrew Weaver has said from the first date of the proposed plant that it would never be built because the economics of the project were unfeasible .

      Did he really? What a coincidence, I also said from the first date of the proposed plant that it would never be built. But for the more realistic reason that all the anti-development parties would throw up road block after road block in order to delay, delay, delay until the ground floor opportunity was gone and it became uneconomical.

    Read that the LNG plant at Squamish is still on board. So there we still need LNG, may be.

Here is an interesting situation. All those special interest groups and foreign funded NGOs should take notice of this case. Wonder if those funding the protests will pay costs.

h ttp://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/chippewas-enbridge-court-line-9-legal-fees-1.4224972?cmp=rss

    About time they faced the consequences of their actions. Now let’s hope that ruling becomes a precedent, maybe end the continuous stalling of development and allow our economy to grow.

    But not likely in BC now, with our anti-development government.

    “The truth is that what should have been a magnificent new Canadian industry, building middle-class jobs from exporting Western Canada’s world-class Montney shale gas to reduce carbon pollution in Asia, has unraveled due in large part to government mishandling — plus fears it would have only accelerated under the new, anti-development provincial government.


    B.C. has yet to see the construction of a single project out of 20 or so proposed since 2011.”

    ht tp://business.financialpost.com/commodities/energy/a-tragedy-for-canada-petronas-cancels-36b-lng-project-as-b-c-jacks-up-demands/wcm/de2567c8-499d-489f-9dec-3826a01c932c

      That’s BS. There is a world glut of LNG. It appears there is little profit be made so the project was scraped

      There is indeed a glut, thanks to fracking, and everybody knew there would be and that prices would fall, which is why it was important to get in right at the start and grab market share while the prices were still high. All those companies who had planned to get in on the ground floor with BC LNG were willing to spend billions because they knew there were profits to be made. Do you seriously believe that a corporation with that kind of dough wouldn’t know if it was a bad deal?

      Yeah, there’s little profit to be made NOW, because they were prevented from taking advantage of that window of opportunity, which is why they’re cutting their losses now.

    Wonder if Tides Canada, Greenpeace, Suzuki Foundation, hey rich man Suzuki himself or any of the alphabet so called environmental groups will step up and pay the costs, oh wait crickets.

      Actually the Canadian taxpayer will. Where do the FNs get their money?

The UK government recently passed a motion to ban sales of gasoline and diesel cars by 2040 . Tony Seba laughed in a tweet . He said they might as well ban horses from transport because by then there won’t be any of them left either . I see the Jeep made the top ten in vehicle depreciation list at number three .

    France has done the same. Many European countries will ban fossil fuel powered private cars from inner cities long before 2040. The Scandinavian are leading the way! I predict that a new industry will evolve, an industry that specializes in converting existing cars with internal combustion engines into electric powered ones. Just seen a TV show that featured such a conversion and it was amazingly easy and highly successful.

    I guess you missed this reality check that I posted two weeks ago:

    “Kevin Libin: The awesome, unstoppable revolutionary electric-car revolution that doesn’t actually exist

    The real story being missed is just how pathetic things look right now for electric cars


    So far, because nobody’s really driving these miracle machines, said mania has been limited to breathless news reports about how the electric-vehicle revolution is about to rock our world. EVs comprise just two-tenths of a per cent of all passenger vehicles in North America, despite the media’s endless hype and efforts of green-obsessed governments to cover much of the price tag, like Ontario’s $14,000 rebate for Tesla buyers. In Europe, where virtue-signalling urban environmentalism is the coolest, they’re not feeling the vehicular electricity much more: EVs account for barely one per cent of personal vehicles in France, the U.K. and Germany. When Hong Kong cancelled Tesla rebates in April, sales fell to zero.”

    ht tp://business.financialpost.com/opinion/kevin-libin-the-awesome-unstoppable-revolutionary-electric-car-revolution-doesnt-actually-exist/wcm/2a1f30a4-88f1-47c2-aba4-8b619c0129f0

      I read a report somewhere last week that said Toyota was close to releasing an electric car that has a 1200km plus range with a new solid state battery that charges in under 20 minutes. They claim it’s 2 years away from mass production and would be a game changer. Will have to wait and see I guess.

      That would indeed be a game changer. Only question remaining would be, is it competitively priced?

      solid state battery, Musk is riding the wrong horse. Then there is still the question of the electrical infrastructure to charge all these batteries.

      On top or the infrastructure to charge the batteries in BC there is a movement away from natural gas heating to very expensive electric heating but no one has stated where all this power is materializing from. Pixy farts?

    How is your solar system, why the secret? Improved your knowledge about diesel locomotives yet?

    Where is all the power for these electric cars going to be sourced? In BC alone if went all electric three site c would be required and the whole electric grid would have to be revamped. Think of the cost, and people think their electric bills are high now.

    You got your Tesla yet? Musk needs more subsidies.

    In Canada at least the Jeep Wrangler has the lowest depreciation than any other vehicle on the road.

    Ataloss now hear is the reality to your post, read the comments

    ht tps://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2017/07/27/how-much-electricity-will-electric-cars-use/

    If fossil fuels are replaced where will governments get the taxes?

    This is an interesting comment

    Joe Public PERMALINK
    July 27, 2017 8:09 pm
    Another interesting gem on Tesla’s site is the rate of energy transfer from a 7.4kW (home) charger.
    When I had a diesel, my local Tesco pump filled its tank at an energy transfer rate of approx 3 minutes for 700 miles range [i.e. a rate of 14,000miles/hour(!!)]; Tesla’s 7.4kW Home Charger rate is 22 miles/hour

      Here, not hear, auto correct drives me nuts.

Premier Horgan has said that the Softwood Lumber Agreement could be a done deal within a month. That’s fast!

While I am definitely not an NDP supporter, I hope that this deal does get done, providing it is an equitable agreement.

The only fly in the ointment is that the Big Buffoon in the Oval Office will probably squash it.

    Softwood lumber agreement is federal jurisdiction, has nothing to do with the provincial NDP.

      That would not stop present local politicians from taking credit for a successful outcome!

      Not a huge fan of Horgan but at least he’s in there getting some grease on the wheels or grease on him..lol.

      What ever success he can gain on this file is good..

      He couldn’t grease those wheels if he wanted to, all he can do is beg the parties involved to hurry up.

    He could not squash a bug if he tried.

    It could also take a year or more as has been the case in the past.

    He is not the person with the experience. Who in his inner circle is telling him this? That is what I want to know.

    If an agreement is in the offing it will be because of the groundwork laid down by the previous government who appointed David Emarson to represent BC’s interests in negotiations. Horgan is just a Johnny-come-lately to the table.

      But John will certainly be reaching around to pat himself on the back! He’ll be the one saying “Great job, John, great job!”

      You boys that can only criticise Horgan couldn’t wipe your b***t without having someone to rip off for your lively hood.

      So you don’t have any actual criticism of what they’re saying.

      “You boys that can only criticise Horgan couldn’t wipe your b***t without having someone to rip off for your lively hood.”

      What does this even mean? Butch lives in the hood (the lively one at that) and he wants to rip me off unless he wipes out?

      It means he has no legitimate criticism and is resorting to insults in lieu of.

We have the same ace up our sleeves as in Finland .Finland has an ace up its sleeve in terms of installed electric vehicle charging. In a country with 3 million cars, more than 1 million parking spaces are already equipped with electric poles for engine heaters. Which can easily and are being converted .

    That does not help on my drive to Vancouver …… or anyone else’s.

    We are a one car family. It is one of our ways of reducing the purchase of “things” and putting our financial resources to better use.

    Until Subaru makes an electric car that is as good as its gasoline cars and can drive as far without recharging for an hour or more, we will be staying with gasoline.

    If they were to start making a hybrid, that would be another story.

    To buy a second car for use in the city is not a financial nor environmental option for us. Go through the economic plus environmental calculation.

      Money talks. It’s the same as every other decision, for all their supposed commitment to cutting CO2 emissions, very few people look past the cost, which is why governments have to massively subsidize them to get people to buy them.

      The bottom line is, people buy cars in order to go places. Only foolish governments buy cars in order to change the climate.

      Oh, and performance. If it isn’t as functional and convenient as an ice, people won’t buy it.

    Ataloss, I’m considering the purchase of a new truck for work. After all, I can always use another business deduction.

    I’m in the market for a 4×4, preferably a 4 door! I need to be able to get through bad weather and road conditions and I need to be able to travel north into the middle on nowheresville!

    Which electric truck would you suggest best suits my needs?

      I’d say The Bollinger B1 . You could check it out at Theverge.com or at you tube . I don’t think it was you last week that said EVs are no good in the winter but check out tesla winter driving at YouTube . Who ever it was is so wrong . Tesla is also working on a pickup truck . So are a few others . With a pickup truck more (weight ) batteries aren’t an issue . No engine/transmittion or oil or gasoline or drive train . Huge weight loss going electric .

      Try walking. You big wheels need the exercise or you will be visiting your Doc

      It’s not how they perform in snow, it’s how far they go in winter conditions, how long the battery lasts with all the lights on, the wipers working and the heater blasting. Probably fine for in-town commutes but I wouldn’t want to take it very far into the boonies in winter.

      Retired 02, I keep waiting for you to add something intelligent, anything intelligent to the conversation!

      Once again, you disappoint me!


      Ataloss, a Berlinger B1?

      I did say that I was in the market for a “truck” didn’t I?

      The Berlinger B1 is a glorified SUV, not a truck!

      I also said that that I need to be able to travel into the middle of nowheresville. Even with the larger 100kWh battery pack, the Berlinger will only have a range of 200 miles! That’s 100 miles out, and 100 miles back, not really out into the middle of nowheresville! I wonder what the range will be if it’s 25 below and snowing, what with lights and heat cranked up!

      Production hasn’t even started and deliveries may be expected in 19 months, at over $60,000.00 USD?

      Once again, Ataloss, which TRUCK would you recommend?

      Dirtman says, “It’s not how they perform in snow, it’s how far they go in winter conditions, how long the battery lasts with all the lights on, the wipers working and the heater blasting. Probably fine for in-town commutes but I wouldn’t want to take it very far into the boonies in winter.”

      How are all those things powered in your fossil fueller Dirtman? Did you know the battery in your oil burner is there just for starting the engine. Everything else is powered by the alternator, including charging the battery.
      I’m pretty sure the engineers have all that covered.

      Ataloss, Berlinger says that it will (it hopes) release pricing information later this year AND it is still working to secure manufacturing in the US. Once that has been secured, they anticipate (again hope) to begin deliveries in 19 months.

      So, no manufacturing partner lined up, no production start date anticipated and no deliveries in 19 months unless perhaps if the planets align for them!

      I suspect that they will also be hoping for massive price subsidies in order to secure more orders! Perhaps prospective purchasers will be eyeing that rebate with the intention of directing the savings towards a huge gas powered generator. Packing around a huge gas generator should alleviate those limited range issues. Run out of juice? No problem! Fire up the gas generator, plug in the Berlinger and have about a 10 hour snooze while the generator charges up those 100kWh batteries! Buy a big enough generator and you’ll even be able to run an electric heater to keep you from freezing in the cab on those -25 degree days out in the middle of nowheresville!

      A Ram, Ford, GM, Nissan or Toyota ICE truck is looking better and better!

      Absolutely ! Buy an ICE car/truck/SUV ! Buy new and go long . Should be paid for in what ? 2023 ,4 . Or better yet lease !


      How are all those things powered in your fossil fueller Dirtman? Did you know the battery in your oil burner is there just for starting the engine. Everything else is powered by the alternator, including charging the battery.

      Not really sure what point you’re trying to make, but the alternator is powered by the fossil fuel combustion engine.

      Dirtman says, “Not really sure what point you’re trying to make, but the alternator is powered by the fossil fuel combustion engine”.

      It’s quite simple. Let me spell it out for you. If an alternator can be driven by a belt or direct drive off an internal combustion engine, it stands to reason that an alternator can also be driven by a belt or direct drive off an electric motor, therefore operating all the electrical components that you worry so much about killing the battery in an electric vehicle during the winter. So, nothing to worry about. all those electric components can be used without killing anything.

      You gotta be kidding!

      Where does the power to turn the alternator come from? The batteries.

      So you’re going to drain the batteries to power an alternator to charge the batteries.

      Where’s the gain in electricity?

      Moreover, it will take more energy to turn the alternator than it produces, because there is always some mechanical resistance. Running an alternator off the batteries will deplete them faster.

      Wow, I wouldn’t have believed anyone wouldn’t realize that.

      LMAO, I figured you wouldn’t get it judging by your first comment. Lets leave the mechanical engineering and electrical theory to the engineers and mechanics shall we. You obviously aren’t one, but I am.

      Then you should know better.

    The “Unstoppable” Renewable Energy Revolution Keeps Faltering

    Michael Lynch,Contributor
    I analyze petroleum economics and energy policy


    Overall, the embrace appears to be of subsidies, not green technologies. In case after case, where subsidies or support is removed, sales suffer. “Sales in Denmark of Electrically Chargeable Vehicles (ECV), which include plug-in hybrids, plunged 60.5 percent in the first quarter of the year…. electric car dealers were for a long time spared the jaw-dropping import tax of 180 percent that Denmark applies on vehicles fueled by a traditional combustion engine.” The state of Georgia rescinded electric vehicle rebates and sales dropped by 80%.


    The reality remains in the markets where governments reduced generous financial support for solar, wind and electric vehicles, sales have plummeted. New European solar installations dropped by one-third in 2016 as several countries reduced high prices for purchased power. Advocates tend to muddy the water by saying ““All we ask is for the government to stop improvising” (in Spain, in this case) instead of saying the sector is uncommercial and requires heavy financial assistance.

    No question but that costs have dropped for wind, solar, and batteries for electric vehicles, but their success remains contingent on government support, which hardly makes them “unstoppable”. An end to heavy subsidies and mandates might not cause the near-disappearance of these industries as in the past, but some serious retrenchment is a real possibility and it’s puzzling that so many are treating that as impossible.

    ht tps://www.forbes.com/sites/michaellynch/2017/06/29/the-unstoppable-renewable-energy-revolution-keeps-faltering/#4cf9eace71b7

CC just announced she is resigning as leader of the opposition.
ht tp://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/canadian-press-newsalert-christy-clark-says-she-intends-to-resign-1.21443086

    CKNW is saying she’s also resigning as MLA . #BCpoli

      The best news in the last decade.

Overdue. Was she being pushed? Caucus revolt? Should have been.

    Who cares?

    However it happened, she took the right step at the right time in order to get the party ready for the next election as quickly as possible.

    As long as she keeps her seat, or a by-election will replace her with another BCLiberal, that is the main thing.

    In the meantime, there will be an interim leader. It will be interesting to see who that will be.

      It appears your hero Jowels the ex cop is taking over the reigns.

As send to the membership…


Dear ……

This morning I decided to resign as leader of the BC Liberal Party.
I love our party and our province with all my heart – and it’s been the honour of a lifetime to serve as leader and premier.

Together, we have achieved so much – winning a comeback election victory that almost nobody thought possible, positioning British Columbia firmly as Canada’s leading economy, and laying a strong foundation for future generations to achieve their dreams here.

I’m excited to see the renewed engagement that will strengthen and energize our party as we choose the next leader.

I am certain that British Columbia’s best days, and our party’s, are still ahead of us. Because British Columbians can, through hard work, achieve anything they set their minds to – and the BC Liberal Party is the embodiment of that ambitious and generous spirit.

Words can’t fully express my gratitude for your support these past six years and more. You make our party strong, and our party will need you in the months and years ahead.

Christy Clark

    Perennial cling-ons Carol James and Adrian Dix could take a lesson from Christy Clark’s announcement. Even though the liberals won more seats than the other parties she still took personal responsibility when the other two parties joined forces to seize power.

    The two former ndp leaders were soundly defeated in elections yet could not tear themselves away from being fattened at the public trough rather than doing the honorable thing and resigning as leader and mla.

    With Clark resigning her seat it will be interesting to see how long Horgan waits before calling a by-election. He has a 6 month time limit to call it plus a 28 day campaign one wonders if he waits till the last second to give himself a little more breathing room.

      Thats only if him and da other dude can get along, that long!

On the corner of Westgate and Bear there is a convenience store, gas bar, carwash being built. Now considering there is one just up the road, two more gas bar convenience stores a little farther west, two on Domano one with car wash, don’t forget Canadian tire. Then down the hill two more gas bars, one with a car wash and in the middle of all this is the ace in the hole, Costco.

Now can someone tell me were all the money for this new facility is coming from and why? Kind of makes a fellow wonder.

    Almost forgot I don’t think one of them has a charging station.

    Simple it’s a new Co-op from what I hear.

    They are huge in Alberta and all farming communities. They are the main go to gas station in Vanderhoof and are now going to expand their PG operations closest to their base. They will get a lot of the traffic from out west of town from their existing members in Vanderhoof… a lot of which make the daily commute to PG and probably only ever fueled up at their base in Vanderhoof prior to this one opening in PG. Saves them a lot of shipping costs from their new fuel farm in the BCR Site.

    I think they will be a great new member to the PG business community.

      Ya but costco?

The boss of Petronas, the giant Malaysian energy company, says the decision to cancel its $11-billion LNG plant here has nothing to do with the election of an NDP-Green government.

Sure it doesn’t. Go ahead and believe that if you want. But I prefer not to be so gullible.

The NDP was hostile to the Pacific NorthWest LNG project from the start. The party wrote to the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency last year, urging the megaproject be rejected because it was a threat to salmon stocks.

The NDP continued to rip the project after it was approved: The taxes on it were too low. The company was not hiring enough local workers. The project was not sharing adequate benefits with First Nations.

NDP leader John Horgan — now the premier — said in February the plant was “poorly sited” and he would “find a better place and a better way” to build it if the NDP came to power.

“I will deal with those issues after the election,” Horgan said. “I’ve made that clear to the proponents.”

How was the company supposed to take that? The project had already been approved by both the federal and provincial governments, but here was Horgan vowing to “deal” with Petronas if he took over.

During the election campaign, the NDP vowed to increase the carbon tax on the project — a heavy carbon emitter — and to jack up corporate taxes as well.

The NDP also promised a “scientific review” of fracking, the controversial gas-extraction process the project relies on for its gas supply. The NDP talked about tough new environmental regulations and Horgan even refused to rule out a moratorium on fracking, a direct threat to the project’s viability.

But the election of an NDP government has nothing to do with the project being cancelled? Give me a break.

ht tp://theprovince.com/news/bc-politics/mike-smyth-ndp-had-nothing-to-do-with-petronas-collapse-really

Of course the election result had a whole lot to do with it, plus the NDP/Green mutual assistance pact. An innocent (?) remark that promises a *scientific review after the election* infers that the project was given a go ahead without any scientific evaluation, or if there were some that they were intentionally ignored by the company for some nefarious reasons. That can be interpreted as a threat to introduce more delays and time/money consuming legal wrangling. Throwing in the towel while exploring other possibilities elsewhere is often the best way to avoid this.

Say, Does any one know why the massively destructive “Ashcroft Reserve” wildfire had its name changed to the “Elephant Hill” wildfire?

    Cause it done burned down parts of Ashcroft and blew over to elephant hill ?

      Hey hows your locomotive research coming along?

So who hasn’t heard of the great garbage patch in the middle of the ocean, well here are the facts, oh and plastic thrown in for fun

ht tps://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/07/28/plastics-yet-again/

    What’s up with this seamutt?

    ht tps://www.treehugger.com/renewable-energy/north-america-wind-turbines-kill-around-300000-birds-annually-house-cats-around-3000000000.html

    Or this?
    ht tp://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/killer-cats-take-down-billions-of-birds-report-says-1.1312489

      How many do fossil fuel plants kill?

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