NDP convention eh?

Kind of like the opposite to a Mensa convention?

the unions probably gets a better turn out than when it comes to voting on a new contract!!!!!!!!!!!

the unions probably gets a better turn out than when it comes to voting on a new contract!!!!!!!!!!!

must be Gw Harper fans EH!good 4 youse.What has GW done for us here?He gets a majority look out it scares the daylites out of me.
NDP for the people!!

NDP yeah right pal. 10% of the population back on social assistance again in the next few years? No thanks. Why Quesnel and never PG? Is it because the train don't stop here no more? Among other things? NDP for the people. Ha ha ha. When the dippers bailed out Skeena cellulose with a few millions of our (mine) tax dollars they didn't even have the courtesy of renaming it the Peoples Cellulose Company of BC. Dippers indeed. Watered down commies.

Who the hell is Gw Harper? Some people are literally too stupid to live.

So much for no insults and no bullying. I notice the right wing are at it again, as usual. Their committment to respecting free speach and other's opinions is really amazing.

Where is that Diplomat. He chastises me time after time but never criticises anyone in the wrong on the political right. Go figure!

Actually, I think the first comment must be a misprint. I'm sure Realitysetsin must have meant "apposite".

Gw Harper is a reference to the George Bush supporting Stephen Harper, as if you didn't know. And you call others stupid, but as you say!

There is no question the behavior on this site by some of the posters needs to be improved. Come on folks lets try a little harder to be more courteous to each other.

In that regard, I would like to apologize to ammonra for my post about him (which was among those deleted by Elaine) which followed his last post last weekend. I acknowledge this post was in poor taste and out of line.

Back to business. This post is slightly off topic, but with the house prices in this province, (and country) starting to drop, and I think eventually this drop in house prices will be quite severe, voters will be getting into a fowl mood in the near future, and this usually results in any party in power losing a significant number of votes when elections occur. Because of this, I think the N.D.P. has a real chance of gaining power in this province in next May's election.

While I will be voting for Stephen Harper's Conservatives in next month's federal election, there is no question in my mind, that as an economist (he has a master's degree in economics) he knows our economy will be going south fairly soon as a result of the bursting of our worldwide credit bubble, and this is why he called the election for next month, before voters can get into a fowl mood as a result of the economy going south, and house prices declining.

The following is from an article on the (Victoria) Times Colonist web site. The article was written earlier today.

"The value of B.C. housing sales plummeted nearly 50 per cent in August compared with the same month last year, highlighting the drastic changes slicing through all segments of the real estate market."

"B.C. home sales dipped to 5,175 last August, down 47.4 per cent from the same month in 2007, the report said. And in the capital region, individual sales slid by 37.5 per cent, compared with the same month the previous year."

"Provincially, total listings climbed to 58,445 in August, up by 61 per cent from August 2007."

"When comparing average prices for all types of housing in August with the same month last year, Greater Victoria saw a drop of 1.2 per cent, and B.C. decreased by 4.1 per cent, the association's report said."

If anyone wishes to read the entire article, the following is the link to it:

http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/business/story.html?id=10777684-f8b7-4f0d-8611-3838193917ff&p=1

Thankyou. Accepted.

Ammonra: "Where is that Diplomat. He chastises me time after time but never criticises anyone in the wrong on the political right. Go figure!"

O.k., in the past I commented here about things I do not like, such as the broken promise (by the political right, right?) not to sell B.C. Rail, I did not support the idea to host the 2010 games, I don't like our northern area not getting its fair share as far as highways go, I commented that Mulroney, Hill and Harper (political right) are off-limits to me, as is the right wing war mongering attitude in respect to foreign misadventures such as Afghanistan...and so forth.

In general, I prefer B.C. politics of the last 7 and 1/2 years over the politics of the preceding ten years which were (in my opinion) a rough ride on a roller coaster, in just about every way imaginable. Are things perfect now? Of course not. They are not in spite of being more reality based.

The left wing is not above criticism any more than the right or the middle, as far as I am concerned. Insulting personal attacks on anyone should not happen...and if criticism of something that is connected to the NDP is resented by some people - so be it.

You know the saying about the *heat* and the *kitchen.*

Have a nice sunny day!

Legitimate criticism is not the issue, Diplomat, nor is opinion of any stripe.

The context of my question was the constant insults directed towards the NDP and the left in gneral by right wing posters. Often all their post ever consists of is a nasty , snide comment. Yet you have never criticised that, despite frequent criticisms of my responses to them. Why not? Do you agree with their insults, their bully boy tactics?

There we go again. I have indeed spoken out in favor of more intelligent comments in respect to any political subject and I have deplored comments that had no substance based on reality and were plainly designed to be insulting, no matter who or what the target.

You yourself have never spoken out against any nasty snide comments that are, for instance, directed at the BC Liberals and particularly the Premier. Nasty comments have been made such as that *he personally has an agenda of stuffing the back pockets of his friends and stealing from the people.*

I am only giving one example, but there are plenty more. Since you have never stated here that you object to such below the belt insinuations (which are potentially actionable) should I assume that "you agree with their insults, their bully boy tactics" - using the words of your own criticism which you are leveling against me.

Well, I don't assume that automatically - yet you are demanding from me to do something that you yourself are not willing to do.

Say it: I object to past nasty comments and insinuations that have been made in respect to non-NDP political matters and persons!

The problem seems to be that some criticism that people make about the NDP, its past record and present agenda are interpreted by you as not legitimate, whereas the people that made them may honestly believe that they are.

"Legitimate criticism is not the issue, Diplomat, nor is opinion of any stripe."

You are trying to set yourself up as jury and judge of this discussion thread.

I'm not particularly impressed by that.

That closes the subject matter as far as I am concerned.

The 'left' make snide comments about the 'right' and vice versa on this site. If you believe it's some sort of one way street, you're in denial.

If you were to review most political news items you will see that the first people to post are frequently the same ones over and over again. Invariably these people take any opportunity to attack the left of center posters, especially New Democrats. Sometimes very nastily so (the references to Mensa and the "too stupid to live" comment, as one puts it above).

In most (not all, agreed) cases, the remarks from left of center posters are usually in response to those initial insults. I invite all people reading comments on Opinion250 to check out political news items from the recent past to see this. It is all there in black and white.

I do not have a record of everything I have posted, but I do recall clearly that I have congratulated Gordon Campbell for his decisions on at least two occasions.

My comments are not about normal political criticisms, even sharp ones, but saying someone who makes a political point about Harper "is too stupid to live" is just beyond the Pale. That is not criticism of any kind it a personal attack on the original poster.

The same person just recently posted one series of letters, without comment: "stfu". That is not commentary it is sheer ignorance, and I use the word in its real meaning, because that poster obviously is completely ignorant of the norms of rational human interaction.

Yet, none of you right wingers object! What a pity, I used to think this site was about rational debate. How wrong I was.

"In most (not all, agreed) cases, the remarks from left of center posters are usually in response to those initial insults. "

So what you're saying is, "They started it!" I used that one in elementary school. Who cares who started it, a snide comment is a snide comment. If you have thin skin, you're probably better off avoiding these boards.

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"The same person just recently posted one series of letters, without comment: "stfu". "

Who cares what that guy said, nobody found it worth their time to respond, but apparently you did. As you noted, it's generally the same people posting the same stuff to get a reaction. Why react?

Why react? Because people don't participate as a consequence of that stuff, that's why. Because the rules set down by the owners of the site say not to do it, that's why? Because objecting to hate speech (the "too stupid to live" comment) has to be opposed in a civilised society, that's why. Because not to object to that behavior is to condone and support it, that's why.

You may categorise it however you want in an attempt to soften it, but how can we complain about bullying in our schools when the adults on this site do far worse bullying than any student? Are there no standards of behavior to follow? Is it to be a complete free for all? Am I to be allowed to make hate comments to you, MrPG?

Go ahead, make all the hate comments you want towards me. I couldn't care less.

I'm not here to police the site, the site moderators do that. Many people on here take it upon themselves to tell people what they can and can't say, and well, that's a waste of time. Let the moderators do their job. Ignore the idiots and (hopefully) they'll go away.

To add a comment, I think you're taking this forum a little too seriously.

Aw don't give ammondra a second thought. There's couple other posters that bully also depending on which sacred goat you happen to bump into. It's entertaining, and we give them something to live for.

I raised this issue because another (new) poster on another thread just recently said that he had decided not to participate because of the animosity displayed by regular posters. I think that is a great pity.

I think 'great pity' is overstating it a little bit. As I said, if you have a thin skin and you let anonymous people get to you, it's probably a good idea to stay off this site.