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DBIA Expansion Opposed

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Wednesday, November 05, 2008 04:02 AM

Map shows  current DBIA area  (inner box that skirts City Hall)  and  expansion area which excludes Parkwood but includes the Native Friendship Centre
 
Prince George B.C.- Plans to expand the Downtown Business Association are being met with more resistance than the President of the DBIA had indicated.
A meeting was held last night of property owners impacted by the expansion plan.  None disagree with the benefits of a Downtown Business Association, however, the manner in which the expansion area was chosen and the method of getting it approved have struck a chord.
The DBIA’s mandate runs out at the end of this year. The Association opted to include an expansion plan in with its renewal request.   In order for those who are in the new expansion area to avoid inclusion and   a 1.7% levy added to their taxes, there will have to be registered opposition by 50% of the property owners representing 50% of the assessment value. 
Although more than two dozen business owners who oppose the expansion attended last night’s meeting, Shari Green , the President of the DBIA had informed Council there were only two businesses that had registered opposition. Green was not able to attend last night’s session .
(at right,  attendees listen to comments from Dirk Loedel)
Former DBIA President, Kirk Gable says the new boundary was drawn by the DBIA’s Board of Directors. The new boundary includes the west side of Victoria, travels south to 15th, and stops shy of including Parkwood Place. When asked if Parkwood was avoided because it has a very high assessment and its owner would have voted against being included and seeing an extra 1.7% added to its property taxes Gable said yes “Yes, that was part of the discussion.”
There was another move made by the DBIA that could be viewed as an effort to ensure the expansion was passed.
 The DBIA’s mandate runs out at the end of this year. Because the Association opted to bundle its mandate renewal along with its expansion plan, property owners who are already members have a say. Had the two issues been separated, then only the property owners in the expansion area would have had a say. 
So bundling the two means the property owners who have been paying into the DBIA for several years get to say if they want the expansion to happen.   Gable also admitted that if this expansion had been separated from the renewal and dealt with on its own merits,   “There would have been a bigger chance it would fail.”
For the Coast Inn of the North, the expansion will add $118 thousand to the tax bill over the next couple of years. For Ray Kandola, who owns several properties in the expansion area, the expansion will boost his taxes by $56 thousand dollars. For Roger Creuzot, owner of Gold’s Gym, it will add $15 thousand to his tax bill, “I feel like I’m being railroaded into this “said Creuzot. He held up a flyer from the recent “Let’s Get Started” rally in downtown and read out the line “Downtown belongs to everybody, well if it belongs to everybody, why isn’t everybody paying for it?”
Those who oppose the expansion have another couple of weeks to register their displeasure with the plan which is being approved through the reverse petition method.

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I think DBIA should be disbanded and a new more local plan should be made up for individual districts that are working on two block synergies. IE the entertainment district, the legal district, the government services district, banking and insurance ect....
Shylocks one and all. Thats why Prince George is such a crummie City. Honesty and Intregity are not part of the Citys working plan.

Just once it would be nice to get the actual truth from these Shylocks without having to dig for it.
Precisely WHAT in benefits to their businesses will the Coast Inn of the North and the others get for the extra taxes that would be extracted from them?

Does anybody know?
Gable also admitted that if this expansion had been separated from the renewal and dealt with on its own merits, “There would have been a bigger chance it would fail.”

The babblespeak to english translation:

We have a better chance of sticking it up your @$$ this way.
"For the Coast Inn of the North, the expansion will add $118 thousand to the tax bill over the next couple of years."

That entire paragraph has specific numbers, but non-specific time frames, so the information is useless. A per-year number and/or a percentage increase would be more helpful.

Also, what about triple-net leases? Aren't the tax increases usually paid for by the renter of the property and not the owner. Many of the properties owned by those opposed to this will simply pass on the increase in tax to the business owner that is leasing. So, in that context, what does this really mean for people like Mr. Kandola?
Disband the DBIA and turf this concept.
Betcha the powers that be wish they could "gerrymander" Highway 16 West as part of downtown.
costs are up profits are down so what happens up go the taxes and undoubtedly some bussness will close you want to revitalize downtown get rid of the drugs get rid of the reasons panhandlers are there downtown would revitalize itself
the figures used by all is over the 5 year period - divide the figure by 5 for an annual amount.

the inn is the owner and user of the facility other than the moinor retail space rented out, it hits the bottom line.

at a time when it was difficult to lease space, some owners dropped the tripple net and even included janatorial services and tenant improvements.

those in favour are typically those who can pass the tax increment on, renters do nto have a vote, I think renters in large buildings do not have a tenant association

the tax is unfair because it is forced on the property owners and the property owners have no control over the DBIA, look at the staff turnover, look at the lack of consistent information, look at the lousy web page, look at what has been accomplished over the last 10 years, waht will more money to to them? they will have to spread their services out - more flower baskets, more christmas lights, more interests to deal with, longer walks by security.
I can't believe I find myself in complete agreement with "lmorg".

"downnotout" gave you the plan in simple terms
Am just wondering where does the money come from to pay these people. From the 1.7%?? Is this just another way to create employment or what?
So we should disband the only group who has done ANYTHING to try and make our downtown and, thus, our city, better. Remember that this organization is NOT funded by the taxpayer, it is funded by the businesses in the area. The DBIA realizes that it has neither the financial clout nor the influence to revitalize the city so they have asked for the process to try to increase the size ot the association. The process is the city's process, not the DBIA's. To say there was insufficient consultation is misleading. It takes two sides to communicate. Just because one side ignores the other does not mean the first side has not made an attempt. Downtown businesses can continue to ignore the problem of the district, play the blame game and hide behind the skirts of government or they can take matters into their own hands, put their money where their mouths are and solve problems. It seems many would rather sit back and watch their businesses continue to deteriorate with no common voice to defend them. This type of short sightedness is EXACTLY why we have the city we have.
"The DBIA realizes that it has neither the financial clout nor the influence to revitalize the city so they have asked for the process to try to increase the size ot the association."

It has failed to make a difference in the thinking of City Council in the last 10 years. What will it do in the next five years to turn that thinking around? Why will it require more money? Who will they be paying to lobby that will be more effective?

Create the plan and take it to a referendum of the potential membership. If the group votes yes, you've got buy in. Without that you will only have forced membership and the City is complicit in providing you with dollars that you cannot collect yoruselves. You do not need a DBIA to effect change. You need like-minded people with a dedication to win.
to "downnotout" :Here is the link to the asscociation. http://downtownpg.com

Any reasonable person would think that the kind of questions you and others have would be answered on that page. Especially since it is a hot topic at the moment.

But such questions are not answered.

Downtownpg is a very secret organization. Their chair, Shari Green, is running for Council. She is running under a minimal tax banner. She is proposing to increase the "tax" for additional businesses. Talking out of both sides of her mouth already. Great Councillor material.
Gus, YOU don't even know what you are talking about. You need to do your homework there buddy!

Goodcitizen - well said!