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Canada Earns A Black Mark In Dziekanski Death

By Ben Meisner

Monday, December 15, 2008 03:52 AM

If the media took 14 months to correct a mistake that we had reported, we would be criticized, in fact in some cases sued for our actions. Yet 14 months in the police investigation into the death of Robert Dziekanski is being passed off as just an oversight in the investigation.

That investigation was carried out by, the RCMP into the conduct of the RCMP, why in the world did it take 14 months before we find out that Dziekanski was hit five times by a taster not 2 as first reported. If the investigation is as complete as the police have suggested, that information should have been out before the public, 13 months and a few days earlier.

It took 3 security officers and four police officers 43 seconds after arriving on the scene  before they had made up their minds he was a threat and needed to be tazered.

The result has been that regardless of the media conference held, the world has taken a new look at the way our federal police force conducts itself and what they see they don’t like.

We are quick to complain about the justice system in Mexico, but what sets us apart?

The RCMP took it upon themselves to travel to Poland to try and dig up Dziekanski’s past. They discovered that he had at one time a drinking problem and he had a fear of flying. That information of course was relayed to the public at the media conference to try and portray him as someone that was not that "level".

What does that information have to do with the fact that he was approached by four police officers and within second’s tasered at the Vancouver International airport? Even the Polish government who have seen their share of intimidation wouldn’t allow the RCMP to talk to the Polish people without them present. Did they also smell through the antics?

So while a hearing will be held into the death of the Polish immigrant and questions will be raised as to why it became necessary to tazer the guy within 43 seconds of arriving on the scene, the result will be the same. Regardless of what the next hearing produces, Canada not just the Vancouver International Airport, will be viewed as a place where the police are a cut above the rest of society, and not unlike third world countries their law is above the rank and file of the nation.

I’m Meisner and that’s one man’s opinion.


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I found this very interesting related article on the net this morning written by the former editor of the Globe and Mail. He claims democracy and RCMP accountability in Canada are now an illusion. I can't verify if the stuff he says is accurate, but....

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http://www.straight.com/article-173196/democracy-and-accountability-are-illusion

Dispersing the Fog is more than the story of Maher Arar; it is an investigation and analysis of the past 30 years of Canadian politics. It conclusively shows, based upon hard and irrefutable evidence, that we have lost control of our own country. There is an appearance of democracy, but real democracy and accountability are an illusion. There is no will at the highest levels to incorporate checks and balances in the system that would serve to protect us all. I guess that’s too dangerous an idea to be discussed openly.

I love Canada. I want Canada to be fair, progressive, and governed by the rule of law. It is a battle worth waging for everyone, even if it means in the short term being personally smeared by politicians, police, and members of the media who are all too cognizant of their own culpability.

From the book review...

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In Dispersing the Fog: Inside the Secret World of Ottawa and the RCMP, Paul Palango demonstrates how municipalities that contract RCMP services are getting ripped off.

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Really....
The Pole armed himself with a stapler and THAT is the reason he was Tasered. I challenge any member of the media to stand in front of me and allow me to bash them in the side of the head with a stapler. I am capable of killing you with a bash to the temple with a stapler and I am half the size of the Pole. I would allow the media member to hold and point a Taser at me during this action and see if they would just stand there and take it or pull the trigger.

At the time of the incident there was ONE media report that closely examined the video and in slow motion showed the Pole rearing back with the stapler in his hand to strike the RCMP directly in front of him with the stapler. (funny, I am having a hard time locating THAT report)

You Canucks don't deserve the brave RCMP that are out there everyday on the frontline dealing with the mentally deranged.
Once again I will point out that the only way the truth will ever come out in disputes like this is to have an independent, judicial inquiry with the power to compel witnesses to testify and to lay criminal charges. As long as it is done by those with some organisational involvement we will never be able to accept the results of inquiries at face value. Even if those results are the truth, there will always be a nagging suspicion that something is being hid. A truly objective, independent inquiry is absolutely necessary in this and some other cases.
Other countries would say Canada earned a black mark in this mans death and they should. Some people name the RCMP.
I think it's time the names of the men/women who allow officers like this to get off without charges be named in the media. I want names. I'd love to read about what other things they've been involved in. I want to know.

I don't want other countries thinking Canada is this horrible place because of some so called RCMP members who need a huge wake up call in the death department. These people need to wear a black and white striped uniform for the rest of their lives. The only Canadian soil they should be walking on is the soil underneath their cells.
Seven policemen armed with plastic shields and protective head gear could have pushed that man into a corner and overpowered him that way.

But when they come armed with tasers only (and handguns for backup) and determined not to talk and negotiate to calm down the situation the outcome is predictable: pseudo-electrocution with often fatal results.

Instead of travelling to Poland to dig up something about Robert's past they could have spent that money on proper riot gear and instructions how to handle a situation where an agitated incoherent person armed with stapler (of all things!) needs to be subdued and arrested.
Elan Moon you must be an RCMP officer, if you agree with what happened, you all defend one another right or wrong. I think 4 police officers could have gotten him in handcuffs and did not have to go the extreem to subdue him. That video maybe does not exsist I only saw him with a chair in hand. The RCMP are a big joke in Canada, don't trust them for anything, so corrupt beyond belief, they might as well go to Mexico that is where they al belong.
Diplomat, I'd love to live in your perfect world. Sounds like a nice place.

As for Elan's comments, people's responses will be predictable. People want to armchair police without ever having to face a dangerous person or situation and say how 'they' would have handled it. Yeah right.
Exactly why would one call Dziekanski a dangerous person? Repeat it more often and it sounds like the guy was armed with a sawed off shotgun.

Armed with a stapler. People really don't seem to understand how stupid that sounds when pitted against supposed professionals who are supposed to have learned how to calm someone like that down while they took training in Regina.

Maybe this is like the 3 Rs, they don't teach them that anymore, just hand them a taser?
"Paul Palango demonstrates how municipalities that contract RCMP services are getting ripped off."

Just looking at the policing cost for this community would tell us that.
Posted by: Elan Moon on December 15 2008 6:48 AM
The Pole armed himself with a stapler and THAT is the reason he was Tasered. I challenge any member of the media to stand in front of me and allow me to bash them in the side of the head with a stapler. I am capable of killing you with a bash to the temple with a stapler and I am half the size of the Pole. I would allow the media member to hold and point a Taser at me during this action and see if they would just stand there and take it or pull the trigger.

At the time of the incident there was ONE media report that closely examined the video and in slow motion showed the Pole rearing back with the stapler in his hand to strike the RCMP directly in front of him with the stapler. (funny, I am having a hard time locating THAT report)

You Canucks don't deserve the brave RCMP that are out there everyday on the frontline dealing with the mentally deranged.
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If the RCMP had any brains they would have had an interpreter at their side when they arrived on scene.
This is not a case of rocket science, but a case of mindless RCMP mismanagement.
Everyone should read the article in the link by eagleone and take note.
Yes indeed.
Those that think we don't live in a parliamentary dictatorship need to read this article and the book.
Finally read the article, thanks Eagleone.
Ditto Ben.
Great article, thanks for the link eagleone.

I know this is off topic but this quote I took out of the article can also apply to global warming scam "The great irony is that the Canadian media got sucked into the Arar story because it relied religiously only on official sources who manipulated it into a box. The facts speak for themselves—the emperor is in the buff."

Elan Moon yea right.

I know seamutt Elan Moon's comment is a bit ridiculous. If the president can dodge shoes flying at his head i'm sure 4 officer could block and dodge a stapler. What does he think that this poor man took lessons in stapler fighting? Give me a break about the stapler already.
Can't talk like this on the Globe & Mail website. Probably because the comments and opinions will be predictable. If there ain't no trial going on then methinks every news item should have open season written all over it.