Hey Moses... Where does it say there was alcohol involved (Confirmed etc)? Where it happens to be in a lot of the accident reports; there is no indication that this will play out that way.

It is sad that one person died for sure, weather alcohol was involved or not is unclear. One person survived to live with anything that could possibly be classified as their fault; the mental health people will have a field day in whatever environment the persons' life evolves to after this tragic event I am sure. I wish you and the survivor well as you travel along your separate journeys through time.

Would say that there was a llittle excessive spped involved or one very gnarly tree....
Condolences to the familys

Who is Moses? The guy will be taking a long time to get over this.

I've made the not unreasonable assumption that a high speed crash on a residential street at 3:00 am on a Saturday night involved alcohol.

I've made another, not unreasonable assumption that the young man was at the wheel, not the young woman who died.

If these assumptions are indeed the facts of the 'accident', then it's not an accident at all - it's (yet another) preventable death because someone doesn't understand the child-simple 'don't drink and drive' message.

And, in THAT case, it wouldn't be a tragedy at all - just another case of someone getting drunk, driving, and killing someone.

And, in THAT case, the young man wouldn't deserve sympathy from anyone because (wait for it) he got drunk, drove, and killed someone.

Of course I'll apologize sincerely for my comments if alcohol WASN'T involved in this accident, but I don't think I'll have to.

I'm old enough to have seen this drunk-driving-death scenario dozens and dozens of times before, with the term 'tragedy' used far too generously.

Unfortunately the pictures aren't a surprize here... if it bleeds it leads any media source, eh? What a shame.

Very very dangerous corner. No judgments I don't know the facts. It is sad whatever the circumstances.

The name of the deceased will not be released until next of kin have been notified.
Then why does the news show a photo of the car ? I have noticed this type of reporting before.
I cannot imagine what it would be like to be reading the news and think I reconized this car as my son's or daughters car.
It would be awful to loose a family member in a car accident, and a shock to see a photo first on the news.

Yes Lamb, it is a very tricky corner. I've seen accidents there on the best of days with optimal weather and road conditions.

Yeah, tricky corner. Yeah, the media are a bunch of publicity hounds. Condolences to the family, that sucks.

You know if my kid had died in that accident I sure as #$@% wouldn't want to see pics here. The photos can't wait a day?

Lots of gravel on the corners on the roads still... and the gravel once your on the marbles your done for with even a moderate amount of speed. I light little car like that would easily get loose if it strayed to far into the marbles.

We had bad ice a few days earlier, so the marbles were deployed and this may have been an unintended consequence.

Death by any means is a tragedy for the family, my condolences go out to them.

Why would anyone speculate about such things? Is there some kind of time limit on this activity that I am not aware off? If there is something criminal here it will come out soon enough. This is not the time. Get a life Moses.

Hi, I have decided to join the ranks of the armchair journalists and commentators:-) I enjoy reading the articles on this website, as well as some of the posts by readers. There is someone who posts on this website who shares the same name as myself, but certainly not the same opinions or demeanor. So I thought I should join the peanut gallery..

The accident is a tragedy. It is a dangerous corner, and with the melting and freezing we are presently experiencing, the road freezes over with black ice, especially at 3 AM. The loss of life under any circumstances is tragic, especially for the family and close friends of the victim. My condolences to the family, and those who know the young lady who was killed in this accident.

Condolences to all.

If this corner has an ice problem that people know about. Why is the problem not taken care of by the city?

If ice in the curve is the cause of the crash then those responsible for sanding etc at the City of PG have some explaining to do.

With all due respect to the families; Sorry, but the corner is not dangerous if taken at a speed that is safe for the conditions. If the corner catches you by surprise then you were travelling too fast or not paying due care and attention. The citizen newspaper states that the car lost control. I disagree. I think the driver lost control, and it is obvious that excessive speed was involved. Can't blame ice, gravel, sand, fog, or the sharp corner
This time of year there is always the possibility of encountering any of the things I just mentioned and we are all supposed to be aware of them and drive accordingly.
metalman.

Posted by: Moses on April 4 2009 6:57 PM "I've made another, not unreasonable assumption that the young man was at the wheel, not the young woman who died"

it was actually the young woman who was the driver of the vehicle, and thank goodness she didn't kill her friend, but he is the one that is going to have to live with the memories of this for the rest of his life!!

Now Moses, your assumptions were wrong, that is how bad rumours get started.

My condolences to all involved, a terrible tragedy to be taken so young. That was somebody's baby girl.

Sometimes those who make assumptions can't handle the simple fact that something tragic can happen to them or their loved ones in the blink of an eye. Coming up with a reason such as alcohol makes them feel better and more secure about their own lives, because of course, it could never happen to them. To paint a negative picture of the victims and come to the conclusion that if alcohol was involved, then it's really not a tragedy, is a low blow to all who love and cherish these people and demonstrates very bad taste.
Personally, I don't care whose fault this was, whether there was alcohol involved, careless driving, or bad road conditions. A young woman's life was lost and the mental health of a young man is going to be impacted for the rest of his life. Families are grieving. Whatever the circumstances are, it is absolutely, positively tragic and the families and friends of the victims deserve respect.

Very well said.