From the camera angle it sure looks like a tight squeeze for the tandem.

You're right, just fits, wait till winter. What a joke.

The pounding turns will dig huge pot holes in the winter slush mostly heading east right at the entrance to the bridge. Thats 60 tons digging in every couple of minutes... maybe the first winter, but for sure by winter two there will be a foot deep fissure that will need to be repaired every second day. The brick work will do the work of your normal 10-year cracks and get the wet frost heaves working the whole area as sure as we will have winter.

Other than that it will be a very nice looking circle/bridge combo, and convenient for the small traffic.

Time Will Tell

I have followed chip trucks through this roundabout and all I have to say is "What a joke!" OK I have more to say! Just wait til winter when the fun and games will really come to light. I think this must have been designed down south where there is no ice and snow and the words 'chip truck' conjure up images of french fries!

Ok folks. I am a truck driver and I can tell from the pic that the truck has plenty of room. If you look at the photo you'll notice that red, slightly raised portion of the road in the center of the roundabout....that portion is actually designed for the trailers to drive up onto as the unit navigates the turn.

Sure the driver is taking the corner a little wide but he does have plenty of room, really.

Nice to see your comment, Mercenary. Its nice to hear from someone who actually has driven a truck and knows what they are talking about.

I agree. good to have educated comments on the site every now and again, however I still have to say with 4' snow banks it is going to be tough. I really wonder how well the nice red paving stones will stand up to the bucket on a 980 loader or the blade on a grader?

If you find enough things to criticize then some of them will come true and you can crow about how awful everything is in this city and how your views are superior to the so called experts. In the meantime, the roundabout will probably turn out to be like all of the other many thousands of roundabouts in the world...a pretty good way of dealing with an intersection, big trucks, winter, those humans who are scared of change, and all!

Right on Buzz and Mercenary, but the snow blade will catch the curbing and/or flagstones if the operators are not careful
metalman.

Why don't we wait for the winter to pass before all the 'I told you so's?

Firstly its a staged picture because the Bridge is closed.

Secondly there is more involved here than the ability of a truck to make the turn.

During busy hours, ie: Morning and Evening this rounabout will be quite busy. These Super B Trains of chips, diesel, gas, are approx 90ft long, and they will block other entrances into the rounabout. Especially Northbound traffic off the Bridge. Traffic in the roundabout have the right of way and therefore traffic off North Nechako going East to the Pulp Mill will block Northbound traffic off the Bridge. So will taffic going West on PG Pulp Mill Road to North Nechako.

It wont take to many vehicles blocking access to other vehicles to create a traffic jam. Thats where the trouble will come, especially in the winter.

I suspect that some people will throw up their hands in frustraton and go back to using 5th Avenue. This will reduce traffic on the Cameron St., Bridge, which will of course defeat the purpose of it being built in the first place.

Have a nice day.

Maybe the City of Prince George should have taken a step backwards and simply built a new one lane bridge again with traffic lights on either end so everyone would have to wait longer to cross the bridge. Or better yet not have built one at all. Then there wouldn't be all this bitching and whining. Kudos to Buss, Mercenary and MrPG.

Experts corner in here once again.

Good to see the project is almost complete.

Good on your Burgerluver!!!! Let's go back in time and make no changes at all and see how many people will whine and complain. MY good god I cannot beleive all the know it alls in Prince Goerge. Why did I ever move? Hmmm!!!

The tail end of the pup trailer is going to catch the snowbanks on the inside of the corner and stop the empty truck dead in it's tracks, spun out.

Obviously, some people are overly optimistic about the city's snow removal ambitions.

By the looks of that picture,come this winter those b-trains are going to go straight through that roundabout!

The wait at the traffic lights to access the Old Cameron St., Bridge was approx 2 Minutes.

The difference between going from the Traffic Lights at the North End of the Cameron St. across the Bridge, down 1st Avenue, to 3rd and Victoria, and going to the John Hart Bridge, down 5th Avenue, to 3rd and Victoria is about 2.5 Minutes.

Therefore in the **real world** where a lot of people refuse to live, there never was a serious delay with the Cameron St., Bridge as opposed to the John Hart.

The question now is, how serious of a delay will be created by the roundabout.

You dont have to be an expert to figure this out. Just try and use common sense.

The proof will be in the pudding.

At the end of the day it wont make any difference because the die is cast. We have what we have, and we will have to live with it.


In my opinion this whole Cameron St. Bridge has been a fiasco from the very start. It is a microcosm of how this City operates. This bridge was closed in Sept. of 2005, and has been closed for almost 4 years.

To close the Bridge for four years, build a new one, and channel the traffic directly into a Roundabout (which by its very nature slows traffic) in bizarre to say the least.

How anyone can support the City on this disaster is beyond my ability to understand.

Palopu, how do you figure it is a staged picture? Take a drive and check it out. Sure the bridge is closed however the round-about is still used by hundreds of vehicles a day going up and down PG Pulpmill Road.

"The difference between going from the Traffic Lights at the North End of the Cameron St. across the Bridge, down 1st Avenue, to 3rd and Victoria, and going to the John Hart Bridge, down 5th Avenue, to 3rd and Victoria is about 2.5 Minutes"
And you know this how? Maybe by looking at a map it would look like it would take 2.5 minutes longer. In the real world with average traffic the difference is more like 5 minutes.
Like almost everything else- anything different is bad. Any attempt at making things better is a waste of time. What a bunch of "Debbie Downers". The world isn't coming to an end. If it ever did- it probably would be wrong in your eyes.

red2b. I know this because I timed it on a NUMBER of occasions. This was done before the Camerson St. Bridge was closed. It of course would be longer now, because of the increased traffic while the Bridge is closed, and the delayed left turn signal at 5th and the Bypass.

Dont assume that everybody on these posts just shoots from the lip like you do. Some of us actually get off our backsides and check things out before they make any statements. **You might want to try that**

Maverick. The truck is making a left hand turn to-wards the Nechako River, and is in fact turning into the Northbound lane off the Bridge. If he was in fact going to go over the Bridge he would be heading West and then turning South. If he was heading for Highway 97 or the Hart Highway he would be heading West. Its obviously staged, or he was rerouted via that route because of the Construction. In any event that is not the way trucks would go in this Roundabout.

The turn that may provide some problems, is trucks coming off Pulpmill Road and going around the Roundabout to access the Southbound lane across the bridge. The turn at the West Side of the Roundabout could be tight, plus he faces traffic heading on to the bridge, and heading East to Pulp Mill Road.

This Roundabout was built because the City claimed that it would be $1.3 Million dollars cheaper than lights. Initially they were going to have two lanes in the Roundabout. It looks like they are down to one lane, which makes it a entirely different project than what was originally proposed. It also makes it a much smaller, and therefore harder to manuever roundabout.

Hey, does anybody remember how many lanes there were on 1st Ave. along the railway tracks, bottle depot, etc. last winter ?

Now look at the roundabout again.

Did you actually time it driving a big rig or a car?

Just a variable in your applied research to consider.

Maverick. Your right he is turning into the lane to access the Southbound Lane onto the bridge. My mistake. Still a pretty tight turn.

Howard B Stern. When was the last time you seen a big Rig driving down 5th Avenue to Victoria ST. The research was done by car, because that is the ;primary user of the Old Camerson St., Bridge, and will be the Primary user for the New Bridge.

Most truck traffic will access 97 South to 16 etc; Only those going to 16 East, or River Road would use this bridge.

Right on Buzz "If you find enough things to criticize then some of them will come true and you can crow about how awful everything is in this city and how your views are superior to the so called experts." Right on.
This website would be building much more credibility were it not for the standard 6 who have an informed opinion on EVERYTHING.
Remember the outcry about the City's new curbside garbage cans? What about winter? what about getting them through the snow? Can any one of you 6 (and you know who you are) admit for once that the City may have had a good idea? It really gets tiresome.

looking forwards to all that pudding that has 'proof' in it!

The truck is in fact driving west from pulp mill road towards highway 97 underpass. I've made this corner with a b-train probably 75-100 times already. I know the corner from first hand experience.

I can tell you the picture is deceiving in a way if you claim the truck has a lot of room. Yes none of the truck is on the red at that point... remember the red is considered an inside round about lane that will have 4-wheelers on it... that said the back of the b-train does off track into this red a little at the end of the turn... because to avoid the curb that is outside of the picture, one only has maybe 6-inches max clearance from the curb to make the curb without dragging a trailer over the opposite curb. Look at the funnel of curbs into and out of the round about and that is what the driver is getting set up for in the picture.

Without any cars in the round about those trucks only have 6-inches max clearance to round the corners without scrubbing a curb... that is why the curbs were widened at a cost of $20,000 before the pavement was laid... its still very tight although I didn't have troubles before the change and in fact haven't noticed much improvement where it was really needed after the change.

From my perspective I foresee heading west empty... with no weight to gain traction for pulling those 30 tires through the snow... and its rush hour, so no one has room for a chip, hog, or fuel truck and the truck has to make a complete stop on the uphill 20-feet back from where that truck is in the picture... at this point the only thing to get the truck moving again will be the chains, and the chains will grab those stones by the grove and make a real mess of them if a driver catches even a tire full.

I hope it all works out because it looks nice and it is doable to drive... you have to remember for the drivers this is minor... they chain up on 12% grade 5-6 times a night sometimes in the winter after driving 500-miles in a blizzard and have to navigate some nasty mill yards that make this circle tour look like child's play... the truck drivers also won't be paying for the paving stones either when they need to get their truck going with chains.

Time Will tell

Good points Eagleone.

Night time should not be too much of a problem, however morning and afternoon rush hour will be a disaster.

All traffic will have to slow down to enter the roundabout, and therefore traffic will begin to back up on the bridge, West of the Roundabout, and East of the roundabout. If two or more trucks are going East at the same time this makes it worse. In addition the Westbound traffic heading to the Hart Hiway, or to North Nechako will also block the Northbound traffic off the bridge, so in effect Northbound traffic off the bridge has to wait for two lanes to clear, or stop in the roundabout.

I suspect that vehicle traffic to and from downtown will after experimenting with this roundabout, go back to 5th and the Bypass to avoid the hassle. If, so this should take some pressure off the roundabout.