And if they do find out it is the pulp mill or it is the refinery, what do they expect will happen? Neither of them are moving?

I don't know if there's a process out there to make a refinery or a pulp mill not have any sort of odour, besides demolishing it, anyways! Some businesses have smells associated with them, that's just a fact of life. I feel for these people, and I do agree with cleaning up emissions and making industries 'cleaner' but it's not like the refinery or pulp mill showed up overnight. If I move into an apartment knowing it's above a fast-food restaurant, would I have the right to complain about the smell?

And they want people to move downtown. Let us see how smart smart growth on the ground actually is.

Things change, folks. The people were actually there first with repsect to the oil refinery and the pulp mills. What people knew about air pollution in 1965 or so when the mills were put in and what we know some 40+ years later is quite different.

The thing is that many such mills in other communities accross Canada have moved in that time period or have made considerably more changes to their operations than the local firms have.

Having said that, Mr., Gagnon's headache and the stench may not have anything to do with each other.

It will be interesting to get some independent results.

Well, I tell you what, if we get them to move, the employment will also disappear. They will rebuild. but they will build it so that it is operated by less than half the number of workers.

frankly, i would rather have industry, than whinney people in our community. "If you don't like the smell, than move out."

Maybe, that should be our city motto, on the backside of the welcome to PG signage.

Thus only the people who actually owned the houses in that subdivision prior to 1965 really should have the right to complain. All of the other people who has decided to buy in that area after the mills would fall in the designation of " Buyer be aware". Thus in conclusion of the 200 household that is in this so called committee, there is likely only about 10 of them that likely qualify.

I think the stink has greatly improved, in comparison to pre 1990's. All people want to do is complain, and never applaud industry for the things they do. They live there own lifestyle of excess, not ever realizing what the size of their carbon foot print really is. They feel that they have the right to complain, because they recycled their water bottle. Little do they realize that the bottle water is shipped 1000 km, by a diesel burning unit. The plastic bottle is oil based. the freezer they pulled it out of uses electricity to provide the coldness. ONLY the real hippies, should have this privelage to complain.

Um, sorry, but everyone has the right to complain about pollution which has adverse effects on the health of people.

Just because they 'weren't there' prior to 1965 means nothing and is a poor attempt to muddy the waters.

I dont think this has anything to do with getting either the pulpmills or the refinery to move it ... seems like people shouldn't have to deal with these odors on an ongoing basis.
The pulpmills are getting huge tax money for black liquor and were talking about putting some of that to clean up the smell ... maybe this will encourage them to do something about it

It is the refinery. The pulp mill did
it's part for reducing the "smelly"
fumes. The refinery is which in other
regions would (could) not operate b/c
it's too old and it can not be updated
to today's standards.
Because it offers so many jobs, every body
(the officials) over look the fact that
this refinery is contributing the most
to our bad air. Remember, Prince George
is the capital of respiratory diseases!

What ya mean burn black liquour to reduce the smell. They have always burned black liquour with Natural gas. Now to qualify and compete against the americans, we are forced to burn it with diesel. Its a giant step backwards because of them lazy americans not being able to compete. so they change the rules.

Yes, everyone has the right to complain. As much as I have the right to oppose the complaint.

I aggree 100%. I think we just have to convince City Hall that their aim of putting thousands of people downtown is wrong headed thinking. Their aim should be to define a series of boundaries starting at the pollution centres moving outwards, with each successive approximate boundary being mapped based on an incremental level of less risk of getting adverse health reactions to the pollutants.

A Medical Doctor who is a prof at UBC studying the health effects of pollution may actually be providing such a map for a couple of places, including PG.

The City could then take that one step further requiring those people who purchase property in those areas to sign a waiver to not hold the mills and the city responsible for any ill effects the emissions may have on those individuals.

That would be called doing one's due diligence. Others may call it alarmist.

It would clear out the downtown and Millar addition pretty quickly. Market values would drop. And that is the reason why any such an effort would be stopped in its tracks.

Great world we live in, isn't it? Money, Money, Money makes the world go round. It is the reason we were put on this earth. To make money. Any priest, rabbi, minister, etc. will tell you that.

I first showed up here in 1963. It stunk big time. I moved here in the 70's. It still stunk. I chose to live among the stench. I bought a place downtown and I find that it rarely stinks at all like it used to. These two industries you are complaining about have cleaned up their act considerably since the 60's. If we should run any of them out of town it should be the refinery. We are charged more for our fuel than areas without a refinery and that is what stinks the most.

Maybe some new city slogans?

"PG... it doesn't stink as much as it used to."

"PG... The pollution is new and improved! Now with 30% fewer fine particulates!"

Could not these business that stink just add a concentrated form of lemon to their manufacturing? Lemon furniture polish, lemon air fresheners, lemon scented soap and bubble bath. Lemon, lemon, lemon. On special occasions or holidays they could substitute banana or strawberry flavoured industrial strength scents. You get the idea.