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Anyone with a free opinion will be glad to hear Canada's anti free speech laws have been dealt a good blow this last week. Hopefully its followed up on to protect the free speech of future generations....

http://www.freedomsite.org/

Has anyone walked or driven by the Friendship Lodge on Queensway and 17th in the last few months?

Every time I have been by there I have not seen anyone around there.

So, what was all the fuss about?

From a 21 November 2007 article

"A 725-name petition against an apartment complex for the homeless at the corner of Queensway and 17th was presented to city council during a public hearing held Wednesday night with 520 of them coming from residents in the adjacent Millar-Connaught neighbourhood.

And representatives of the Millar-Connaught Concerned Citizens Committee called on council to form a committee to find a new site for the proposal, dubbed Friendship Lodge .... "

So where 725 people wrong? And all those who posted against it on this site. If so, could we get an apology?

Or are there problems in the neighbourhood as a result and we do not hear about them? If there are, I would think people should be knocking on the doors of City Hall saying "we told you so" and demanding something be done about it to keep the neighbourhood safe.

I noticed that it is very quiet around the Friendship Lodge to the point that you rarely if ever see anyone coming or going. I think Ive seen one person in a wheel chair since it opened.

So the question is. Where are these people??? Are all the units being used??? Have residents been told not to loiter around the building or they will be evicted?? Who knows.

Seems something is going on, as the place is to awfully quiet.

Has there been a story and pics posted anywhere or a site for the Ancient Forest on Hwy 16 east of PG ?
I don't remember much if any thing written up about it anywhere.
I stopped in on the way back from Edmonton but could not do the walking tour.
Would love to see pics or info.

Johnny Reid
BEST concert EVER

It took only 53 minutes for the first comment of concern????? over Friendship Lodge.

Some people are never happy.

Palopu is concerned because.....

"Seems something is going on, as the place is to awfully quiet."

Information on the Ancient Forest can be found at:

http://www.ancientcedar.ca/

Does anyone know how much the gov't spends each year on employee long-term service awards. Flying the folks to Victoria, putting them up, nice dinner, taxi etc. I think out money should go to performance awards not long term service, IF ANY! Give the guy/gal their pin, maybe a GC for a local restaurant. fini.

The friendship lodge (aka "the 30 million dollar FLOPHOUSE"!) is currently fully populated with clients. I would like to hear from nearby residents of the neighbourhood, as to how the the area has changed or not changed since the gold plated flop house has been in operation.
All I know is that evry time I drive down Queensway, I see at least one hooker and a pimply pimp, complete with hollywood scowl, standing nearby. Anytime during the day or evening.

New Queensway to Hwy 97 (towards Mr PG) exit - anybody else wondering if that is all we get? Or, if we will be getting an actual merge lane??

The Friendship Lodge has been doing a great job of housing 30 individuals. The reason why you don't see anyone hanging around outside is because they are in their units, in programming or out in the community.
Their security system is very tight, like a jail. Noone comes in or out without staff knowing. All visitors have to show their ID to the staff. There is no drinking or drug use tolerated. There is a smoking area outside for residents.
As a Millar Addition resident, there were a number of us who sat on the planning committee for Friendship Lodge. We wanted to make sure that our neighbourhood would be safe and not be adversely affected by residents and guests of Friendship Lodge.

Metalman, that hooker and pimp have been there for several years...long before the friendship lodge.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank YRB for regravelling certain rural roads north of the city. Just one question though, why are they using a mixture of boulders, dirt and turf? Rough as hell, and muddy when it rains, like last night.
Has the price of 3/4" crush gone up that much? or is there a global shortage? (lol)

Happy Friday everybody.
metalman.

Driving at the exact same speed as the vehicle beside you in a deliberate attempt to control traffic speed is an act of aggressive driving as serious as any other. If you are one of these people, please get over your selfrighteous self & stop doing it.

Bang on! I am not about to look up the motor vehicle act again, so whether that lane is to be used for passing only, it is a matter of courtesy at the least to either pass the car and get into the right lane or hang back behind him and get into that lane.

If you want to report someone for speeding, take down the license number, car model, location and time of day and report it to the police. They have been know to send out warning letters on occasion.

So I did look it up .....
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Driver on right
150 (2) The driver of a vehicle proceeding at less than NORMAL SPEED of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing must drive the vehicle in the right hand lane then available for traffic, or as closely as practicable to the right hand curb or edge of the roadway, except when overtaking and passing a vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or when preparing for a left hand turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.
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Notice it does not say less than POSTED SPEED .... Thus this takes care of lower mainland freeways which are posted at 100 or 110 and traffic typically moves at 10 klicks above at a minimum.

Am I the only one who was disappointed with Ben's interview with Gordon Campbell yesterday?
Sorry Ben,but it came across like it was pre-arranged as to what he would be asked, and what he would not be asked!
It was typical Campbell rhetoric with very little substance...as is the usual.
I have never understood why he is constantly handled with kid gloves by the media?
If anyone deserves to be grilled on a spit,it is him!
I cancelled my B.C.Liberal party membership in 2005 because of Gordon Campbells leadership,or lack of, and it is disturbing to see that even after all this time,nobody seems to be able to pin him down on anything he and his government have done!
There is no doubt,he IS a master politician when it comes to handling himself in the public eye,but unfortunately it also appears that the media helps him do that!

'...it is a matter of courtesy at the least to either pass the car and get into the right lane or hang back behind him and get into that lane."

Right on! I have done a lot of driving in Germany and Austria during vacations and THAT is the law. No passing on the right, ever, anywhere! After passing in the left lane, one must VACATE it rightaway and resume travelling in the right hand lane (or one of the right hand lanes on an autobahn) and leave the passing lane open for others who wish to pass!

None of this all-over-the-place driving that is allowed here!

Another thing: EVERY time one intends to change lanes one MUST use the directional signal to let others know about one's intentions!

Failure to do so: ticket!

Another thing: Tailgating is treated as the offense of attempted coercion under the criminal code and is charged as such. It can get extremely expensive! Fine, loss of drivers license, etc.

Tailgating is an obvious attempt to bully another driver into going faster or into breaking the speed limit...bad stuff!

Now that is some good traffic info. I wasnt sure if that was the rule everywhere or just on the freeway where there are signs that specifically say "Keep right except to pass."

Seriously how hard it is to change lanes? There is always some donut in the left lane crawling along Foothills all the way from the top of 15th because they are turning left at North Nechako. Seriously people, move over. Respect the fact that some people are busy and a few minutes might really make a difference. We arent all 8 hours a day union labor.

I wasnt sure how I was going to work in some union bashing into a post related to driving, but then there it is!

So here's my take on the "Keep right except to pass rule".


If I am in the left lane travelling at the maximum speed that the law allows and some yahoo is on my butt trying to get me to move over then he can go take a valium.

As long as I am doing the posted maximum speed limit then I have no legal reason to move over.

Oh sure... in the past I have moved over just to get the vehicle off my butt(even though I'm already travelling the max. speed limit) only to see them accelerate at speeds much higher than the posted legal maximum allowed.

I do agree though that if you're NOT travelling at the posted speed you should get over to the right lane. But sadly this is not the case most of the time.

There are way too many impatient speeders in PG (The hart is one of the worst areas)and I am not going to enable them.

Have a great day.

If you read Gus' post, it said:
The driver of a vehicle proceeding at less than NORMAL SPEED of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing must drive the vehicle in the right hand lane then available for traffic

The posted speed is not relevant, the flow of traffic is relevant.

So those yahoos that want to impose the posted limit on everyone by driving at the limit beside the other yahoo driving the limit both with a kilometer long line of cars behind them are the hazard. It is only the police that have the right and duty to impose the law. Everyone else, just keep to the right and stay out of the way!

Speed limits are arbitrarily set be the community counsel. They say it is a matter of safety and noise control. I say it is a way to create speed traps to feed the coffers.

What imbecile decided that a major highway through a town should be slowed down, to 50 KM/h. Instead, they should zone it such that businesses cannot encroach thereby created a safety hazard. Back asswards is how it is done.

Any one know anything about the prince George hotel being sold? rumour has it it has been sold to the Ramada Corp. and will be leveled for a parking lot. Goetech drilling and Amec surveyors were in the parking lot last week busy surveying away. Rather curious. Another phase of the city's cleaning up the downtown program perhaps!! If true there wont be any night life downtown at this rate.

"If I am in the left lane travelling at the maximum speed that the law allows and some yahoo is on my butt trying to get me to move over then he can go take a valium." - newtechie

There's the self-righteousness I was talking about.

In my opinion Newtechie... there is only one take, and that is driver courtesy. You have no idea why someone may be travelling at highter than posted speeds.
Many years ago my son had a febrial seizure... living rurally we did not phone 911, we jumped in our vehichle and raced into town. To tell the truth, I don't know if I would of stopped for the RCMP - I would only have turned on my emergency flashers.
Lighten up buddy, you have no clue when it may be you!

newtechie just likes to create roadrage, much like many of the drivers in this town.

If people drove with a sense of the drivers around them and not in their own little bubbles, people would be a lot happier trying to get around.

As it happens, I have noticed more drivers watching their rear-view mirror and moving to the right to let me speed by. What ever the cause of that new behavior, thank you.

The last thing I want to do after a day at the employers is dawdle along at 50 or 70 KM/h all the way home. If you have nothing to race home for, my condolences, that is so sad.

BiBC: Good job on ensuring the unions get a little smack.

re: Loki - The posted speed is not relevant, the flow of traffic is relevant.

Wow... are you kidding me? I dare you to try that approach in traffic court and see how it works for you.

Since when do YOU get to determine what is a righteous law and what isn't?

I'm sticking to my guns (and the law). Speed kills so if you're on my butt and I'm already doing the maximum speed limit then back off cause I ain't moving. How impatient are you?

And Iceburger... I understand a situation like yours and would react the same if a loved ones life was in dire need of medical attention. But I don't believe for a minute that EVERYBODY who is on my butt each and everyday (when I am doing the max.) has a medical emergency.

If you don't like it then don't pester me about the law. I'm just another law abiding citizen who respects the law. I'm not going to start breaking the law just because someone on this site told me that it's a law that can be ignored.

P.S. Just so ya know... robbing banks, selling drugs, growing drugs, committing fraud, B&E, assault, drunk driving and even speeding... and MANY other acts are a crime (for those of us who care).

Yes signals are very important to let the other drivers know your intentions. Come on people use them. Also use them BEFORE you switch to the turning lane. Turning them on after you're in the turning lane is pointless.

Actually, speed doesn't kill. It's people (mostly distracted by cell phones, etc.) over-driving the road conditions and their abilities.

And newtechie, believe it or not, it's not all about you sometimes. Nobody is asking you to break the law, just move over to the right lane if you care to drive the speed limit and let the 'lawbreakers' pass.

Of course, you'll continue living in your own little self-righteous world, so enjoy yourself and have a good day.

newtechie - I agree a lot of what you say, but I have to tell you, it is really quite satisfying to move over to the right and let the idiot behind you zip on by when they get zapped by the radar and subsequently pulled over. It's happened to me twice and both times, the bozo who was tailgating (bullying) me to get me to move over sped by me going at least 20 k over the limit. Justice is sweet.
I don't know what these people are thinking really. I mean, I can see 10 k over the limit or so, but these clowns who are 20 + over are those who can't stop in time for that pedestrian light or whatever. And Loki, I do have a precious life to rush home to, I just prefer to get there in one piece and not kill anyone (or myself) in the process. For those of you who think your life is more important than the lives of others, THAT is what I would consider as being self righteous.
Having said that, I always try to move over because being in the path of these idiotic self absorbed morons is a danger in itself.

Again, your passive agressive behaviour creates a situation every bit as dangerous as someone doing 10 or 20km/h over the limit.

The SPCA is having their Paws for a Cause next Saturday at Cottonwood Island Park.I hope you all will be out at walking you dogs. BC Racer is leading the parade.

The name newtechie would imply that you can read. To repeat the law as it is written for all to see:

The driver of a vehicle proceeding at less than NORMAL SPEED of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing must drive the vehicle in the right hand lane then available for traffic


It does not state compliance with posted speed, it states the NORMAL SPEED of traffic. Therefore you are wrong!

I am not determining what is a righteous law, I am actually following the letter and the spirit of the law. Those drivers that impede traffic because they are such sheeple that they absolutely must obey the posted arbitrarily determined speed are actually the law breakers and safety hazards. As another poster mentioned, it is more a case of distracted and disassociated oblivious drivers that cause or are involved accidents. I am not kidding anyone.

The police will not pull over a car if it going with the flow of traffic regardless of the posted limit. They will pull over a car that is moving faster than the flow of traffic and passing everyone.

Speaking of the "Max" speed. It has been customary to travel at 9 KM/h over the posted limit, not at the posted limit. At 10 or more over, one risks a traffic stop. So if you set your cruise control for the exact number on the signs, you are pissing everyone off.

If you are so adamant to enforce the law, join the police force, otherwise you are a private citizen who should keep up with the flow as determined by the majority, not you.

Ok so here's a question.

What is the "normal speed"?

I would assume the speed of the traffic around you.

So if one is driving on the left and one is driving on the right, and they are both over, say, 5 or 10 km the posted speed and clipping along nicely, there is nothing stating that the person in the left has to move over, other than we all know that is just common courtesy.

Who defines "normal speed"? The law suggests that as long as you are not travelling LESS than normal speed, you do not have to move over. So, two cars, side by side, going the same speed, or close to it, are not really breaking any laws, are they? They are just pissing you off :-P

The saying goes: "anyone driving slower than me is an idiot and anyone driving faster than me is a maniac!

Regardless of the law or someone's interpretation of it, move over and stay out of everyone else's way. It's just safer that way.

I think newtechie is not that new at all. Newtechie displays signs of what is normally called technical illiteracy. There is no doubt that newtechie can read and write, however, there is also no doubt that newtechie does not quite understand the words and their meaning. It could simply be that newtechi is blinded by a prejudicial view on the issue.

Once again, here is what it states:

"The driver of a vehicle proceeding at less than NORMAL SPEED of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing MUST drive the vehicle in the right hand lane then available for traffic."

Notice that little word "MUST". Not "SHOULD", not "CAN" or whatever other word one may place in there.

Thus, when a police car is driving behind a line of cars in on a 4 lane highway, and the police car is, say, the fourth car behind the lead car in the left hand lane driving right next to and at the same speed as the car in the right hand lane, and this goes on for several minutes and kilometers, then that police car will likely put on its flashing lights and move the cars in front of it to the right lane until it is behind the offending car and get that car to pull over as well ... and either give the driver a warning ot a ticket.

As others have said on here, it is unsave and it promotes road rage.

I was in an accident at one time on an 8 lane highway. I was in the third lane from the right driving just a bit over the posted speed limit of 70mph. A driver pulled into the line of traffic from an on ramp to the right, and jumped lanes very dangerously. I had a free lane to my left and moved into that to try to avoid him. He sideswiped several cars, including mine.

We all exited at the next off ramp and called the police. When I was questioned about which lane I was in when I was hit, I said the left-most lane. He asked what speed I was doing, I said about 75 mph. As I said, the posted speed was 70mph. He told me that I should not have been in that lane driving at such a low speed. At that speed, with that volume of traffic I should have been in the second or third lane from the right.

The difference between a small community and a large community where the highways have to work as smoothly and efficiently as possible there is no room for people who take the law into their own hands. Why would a pliceman take such a position as that? Because they know what type of driving causes accidents.

Not keeping left hand lanes free for others using the road who are driving faster than you is one of the causes of accidents and is, as those who can read for content can see, against the law.

"Those drivers that impede traffic because they are such sheeple that they absolutely must obey the posted arbitrarily determined speed are actually the law breakers and safety hazards."

How can one break a law by actually obeying it?

It definitely qualifies for Joke of The Week.

Re: MrPG - Actually, speed doesn't kill.


Ummmm..... yeah it does. We have the stats to prove it.

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Re: EatsBushesShoots&Leaves - Your passive agressive behaviour creates a situation every bit as dangerous as someone doing 10 or 20km/h over the limit.


Oh... so you admit it then... doing 10 or 20km over the speed limit is dangerous? I rest my case. I'm not passive agressive I just travel the posted speed limits like we're supposed to. How does that make me passive agressive? If I had a gun but did not shoot people with it would that make me passive voilent?
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re: Loki - It does not state compliance with posted speed, it states the NORMAL SPEED of traffic. Therefore you are wrong!


The normal speed of traffic is not allowed to exceed the posted speed maximums as laid out by our laws. Also... I can tell just by your calulations that your the type of person who pushes the laws right to the edge as long as you can justify it.

YOUR TYPE SCARES ME!
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But seriously though... are you really in THAT much of a hurry that you have to justify breaking the law?

Shame on you...

Who defines "normal speed"?

That is pretty easy. Other than at 3am in Prince George, at any given moment, especially during that short rush hour period of 7.5 minutes, there are many more cars on the road than two. Just stand on the side of the road and watch them, count them, clock the speed they are going, drop that into a computer these days and it will tell you after 5 minutes what the NORMAL speed is.

When two cars drive side by side in traffic such as that and they drive slower than the normal speed, one can quickly see a bunch of cars forming a line.

The phenomenon is commonly observable driving into Vancouver from the Fraser Valley when traffic sometimes develops the characteristics of a slinky toy or peristaltic wave of bunching up and then loosening up.

Stop and go traffic like that is one of the several causes of freeway accidents. It is also the reason why it is dangerous to set speed traps during rush hour periods on such roads. It is an unsafe practice.

Hey techie have a little courtesy for others and move you ass over.

"Re: MrPG - Actually, speed doesn't kill.

"Ummmm..... yeah it does. We have the stats to prove it."

Ummmmm... no it doesn't. Read my post again. You can be driving under the posted speed limit and still be driving too fast for the road conditions (or your abilities) and still cause an accident.

But go ahead, keep on trying to convince us.

OK - normal speed is the average speed the drivers are driving at the time. So, the jackass tailgating me when I am already going a few km over the posted limit is defining "normal speed" or is the normal speed the speed the vehicles around me? Seems to me it's all a matter of interpretation. That jackass behind me is the one who thinks I'm breaking the law and being inconsiderate, where in fact, the opposite is true, is it not?

From what I understand, as long as someone is not going LESS than the "normal speed", it's all good and they can drive in whatever the heck lane they want to.

Can I please see the stats regarding speed killing.

Here is the top 10 list for accidents from the CAA:

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http://caaneo.ca/about/blog/driving/10-leading-causes-of-car-accidents-and-tips-to-avoid-them[/url]

1. Cell phone use
2. Changing CD/Radio
3. Eating in the car
4. Rubbernecking
5. Drinking and driving
6. Drug use
7. Driver distraction
8. Speeding
9. Recklessness
10. Shoddy road maintenance

Of course, when speeding is combined with any of those the probability of being fataly injured increases. But, when one looks at the root cause, speed is not on the top of the list as far as I understand.

The rule of thumb is, if you are being tailgated all the time, you are driving too slow.

I don't have people tailgating me and I don't tailgate people. I actually keep up with the flow of traffic. Neat concept, huh?

Mr PG your post is a contradiction and does not make sense at all. Speed does kill and your example of driving too fast for road conditions is just another example of speeding (eg driving too fast).

"From what I understand, as long as someone is not going LESS than the "normal speed", it's all good and they can drive in whatever the heck lane they want to."

Tell you what, call the RCMP and see what they tell you.

Thunder, read gus's post above, it expains it pretty well. I'm not so sure what is so hard to understand.

newtechie - You will never have to worry about me tailgating you. When people drive as you evidently do, it's clear that they ARE in fact passive aggressive & are deliberately trying to incite road rage & I won't allow myself to be drawn into it.

Make all the excuses about speed limits you want but we both know you have some inner need to force your will on other drivers. That makes you dangerous.

Oh fer crying out loud. Obviously being tailgated all the time would be a problem.
I drive 10 k over the limit, all the time. Sometimes, even a bit faster than that, I'll admit it. Every now and then some moron decides I'm driving too slow. Usually, I would move over, but on a couple of occassions I haven't been able to. So, who is breaking the law? I'm not going any slower than anyone else on the road, except for the idiot behind me who thinks it's a raceway.
This is what I want to know: does the idiot define "normal speed" or do I go with the flow of traffic? Sorry, but as long as I am driving with the flow of traffic, I'm driving in whatever lane I feel like. If I can move over I will, but if not, tough luck!

I think most surveys on road safety agree that driver distraction is the main root cause of traffic accidents ... pehaps even heart attacks while driving.

http://roadsafety.wordpress.com/2009/03/24/researching-main-causes-of-traffic-accidentshumor

Thunder - I don't think you are the type of driver I had in mind when I started this sh*t. Certain drivers will go out of their way to attempt to regulate the speed everyone else can travel. They are driving just as aggressively (albeit differently) as anyone speeding excessively.

Speed does not kill, coming to a sudden stop is what kills. Besides, the slogan "speed kills" is originally in reference to recreational amphetamine use and was ported over from the anti drug culture campaign to traffic when our government decided to impose lower speeds. You know what kills, that nice elderly person that can barely see or hear and just looks straight ahead while merging onto a freeway totally oblivious to their surroundings.

No where in the legislation presented here today indicates that it is an infraction to exceed the speed. Just to be the only dip on the road impeding the flow of traffic. Yes, there are laws in that regard, but that has not been the discussion.

You have no case and you have not "rested" said case.

Don't be scared sweety, it will only hurt a little. If it were not for pushing limits, we would not have any of the technologies that we have now. If you want to always toe the line, by all means go ahead. I choose the edge because toeing the line is only existing. I would rather live than merely exist. And that my friend takes shorter breath and faster heart beat. As I have heard not long ago,

"Life's Journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, Shouting .. Holy COW! What a Ride!!"

Can I hear an "AMEN?!!"

Are you trying to make a good appearance to St Peter? He does not care what you look like, just how you lived.

"If I can move over I will, but if not, tough luck! "

I'm confused. Who said you should move over when you cannot?

It is very simple. If you are driving in the left hand lane and there is no one in the right hand lane and you did not just enter it in order to pass a slower driver in the right hand lane or are about to leave it to get back into the right hand lane after passing someone, then you are driving in the wrong lane. It is quite a simple and easy rule of the road.

Technically, the person behind you cannot move into the right hand lane and pass you from that lane, although it is done often enough when someone is hogging the road.
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One more on specifics of fatal collisions from Saskatchewan.

1. alcohol --- 15.7%
2. inattentive --- 14.6%
3. failure to yield ---- 8.7%
4. driving to fast for condition --- 7.7%
5. exceeding speed limit --- 7.0%
6. careless driving ---- 5.9%
7. other human conditions ---- 5.2%
8. other human action ---- 3.5%
9. road condition ----- 3.1%
10. drive inexperience ----- 2.8%

Combining 4 and 5, speeding killed 14.7% of those killed while driving in Saskatchewan. That is the same as the number who were killed because they were inattentive.

I drive between 50,000 - 70,000 km per year all over the north half of the province. I have noticed that slow drivers will never pull over to let you pass, regardless of how fast they and I am going. Many drivers doing the posted limit will pull over when possible to let you by. I try to stay within 5 km of the posted limit, and yes, I do pull over whenever possible to let faster drivers pass. I have had two speeding tickets in the 20 years of doing this job - one in town and one on the highway, so I think I keep my speed under control and so, can justify the above comments.

Newtechie, I understand your logic, but it ultimately boils down to a control issue if you refuse to let faster traffic pass by, even if they are speeding.

As I maitain: The best radar detector you can have is the speeder who just passed you.

Amen to that, Loki!

"I will not tiptoe through life to arrive safely at death"

Enough on speeding let's move on....

The SPCA is having their Paws for a Cause next Saturday at Cottonwood Island Park.I hope you all will be out at walking you dogs. BC Racer is leading the parade.

Enough on speeding let's move on....

The SPCA is having their Paws for a Cause next Saturday at Cottonwood Island Park.I hope you all will be out at walking you dogs. BC Racer is leading the parade.

I just got off work. On the way home I exceeded the speed limit, drove through two red lights and three stop signs, cussed out a driver for going too slow, cut a person off, and almost hit a pedestrian, in order to get home as fast as possible so I could fire up a joint and RELAX

Bwwwwwaaaaaahahahahaha!

Post of the Day winner is..... Charles!

Maybe if the Greyhound folk start screwing us around, maybe Northern Health could lease a few more buses and make some dough to help our hospitals. (Sarcasm). Seriously folks, how many remember back when some university student wanted to run a leased bus from Vancouver to Whistler and Greyhound crapped on him and whined that they were the only company that had a right to shuttle folks on that highway? Time for a change regarding that idea, methinks.

My pet peeve is these drivers with white plates and red letters, who slow down to 40k on the corners, then speed up to 120k inbetween, so no one can pass them.

MrPG:" ...don't have people tailgating me and I don't tailgate people. I actually keep up with the flow of traffic. Neat concept, huh?"

If everybody (the flow of traffic) goes at 50km/h through a school zone during school months will you feel comfortable going 50km/h?

I suspect you would. I see them all the time!

But, not me! I will do 30km/h and impede the traffic and the tailgating. Neat concept, huh?

"If everybody (the flow of traffic) goes at 50km/h through a school zone during school months will you feel comfortable going 50km/h?"

From the sublime to the ridiculous. Not the way to win a debate.

That situation has the following characteristics that do not apply to the discussion at hand:

1. a posted speed limit of 30
2. a "normal flow" at 50 (that is a 66.7% increase over the posted limit.
3. a high user volume, or potentially high user volume of people who are young and not necessarily looking out for traffic.

That is like talking about going

1. 83kmh in a 50 kmh zone
2. 100kmh in 60 kmh zone
3. 150kmh in a 90 kmh zone

and all that on a route with people milling about on the side of the roads/highways.

What we were talking about is an individual going 45 or 50 in a 50 kmh zone when the individual driving up behind might be doing 55 or possibly even 60 kmh.

Good one Charles!!!!!

Going through a school zone at 50km/h is neither sublime nor ridiculous.

I live on a 50km/h street and several vehicles exceed 83km/h every day! We have been clocking them with radar and a digital display board!

The results are stunning and the RCMP knows about it, too.

A "normal" speed for this residential street is 71km/h and even the posted 50km/h speed is too fast as their are too many driveways and side streets plus bus stops.

Just obey the speed limits! All the mathematics to justify breaking the law are useless when some person has been killed or maimed for life!

The discussion here is about so-called arbitrary speed limits which some people think they have a right to ignore and harass others who have every right to obey the maximum speed limits if they decide to do that!

Do we have a right to call our society civilized?

Civilized law-abiding behaviour is the main ingredient which is more often than not absent nowadays.

Charles is too funny!

On a more serious note though, some interesting viewpoints on speed limits and passing legalities. It it very apparent that some of the regular posters are prime candidates to be inductees to the Road Rage Hall Of Fame.

There are too many idiotic scenarios to venture upon, so I'll keep it to the basics, whether or not in agreement or disapproval of anyone's rhetoric.

Firstly, SPEED does not kill is correct! Whether at 100 Km/h or double, the end result will probably be the same. It is truly moronic to think otherwise. Driver error is your culprit in all cases. To further entertain the notion, the suggested LEGAL posted speed limit is 100 Km/h yet the sign for the corner suggests a 70 Km/h approach speed, yet always exceeded as it is only a suggestion. Yet morons drive it way over speed limit at more than ideal conditions.

Quoting non-scientific data from Sask hardly serves any purpose. I certainly will agree with the European standard as described. While I was there, driving was quite pleasurable, it seemed as everyone was on the same format, being obey to a point but be courteous. Never saw any incidents of road rage or even heard a horn honk in 10'000 Kms.

On my last 3500 Km M/C excursion, I managed to escape the wrath of the Gendarme. Surely they knew I was excessively speeding, thankfully they seemed to ignore it. Perhaps it was not too excessive, or perhaps it appeared as I was in control. However, I admit a ticket or two in legal terms would have been merited.

In summation, whether I drive my motorcycle or the car I follow two Golden rules. Do Not put yourself or others in Danger. Seems only logical as we all share the roadways. I don't care for being tailgated either, something I regard as disrespectful. Yet I wouldn't fathom the notion of allowing a caravan to congregate behind me.

Regardless of all my prepositions, I do not support the notion of any driver exceeding his/her capabilities to satisfy the general population. I'm only suggesting that IF it is Safe to do so, move over. Courtesy goes a long way, belive it or not!

Comment Posted by: opinionated on September 4 2009 4:36 PM
Enough on speeding let's move on....

The SPCA is having their Paws for a Cause next Saturday at Cottonwood Island Park.I hope you all will be out at walking you dogs. BC Racer is leading the parade.

Even though I'm not from your region, pet owner or not, please consider a donation. One bag of animal food or even just a blanket is appreciated. Should you have the time to spare, take a critter for a walk, I'm positive you will both benefit from it!

"I live on a 50km/h street and several vehicles exceed 83km/h every day! We have been clocking them with radar and a digital display board!"

"several" ... "many" .... "most" .... "all" ..

several might be 10% or less, many might be up to 50%..... most is greater than 50% and all is 100% the way that I understand those words

"Normal" speed to me would be "average" or "most" ... thus in my interpretatio9n of the words, "several" is not "normal"

I live near foothills where it transitioned from 70 to 50 at one time. When the City and RCMP determined that the "normal" speed was in the 60 to 70 range they eventually changed the speed limit up to just after the 5th avenue turnoff.

They did not keep trying to enforce the speed set. They lifted the limit. There is more to setting speed limits than just "oh, lets make this one 50 and that one 60 and that one 70". Driver hapbits and the notion that is entrenched in the MVA regarding driving at a speed dictated by the road conditions means exactly that.

Have accidents gone up in that area? Not that I know of. That is not a high traffic accident area.

Where is the high traffic accident area? The one that is finally supposedly being improved - Domano and hwy 16.

Why is it high?

1. poor visibility from the west

2. poor merge lanes from Tyner to 16 west

3. poor merge lanes from domano to 16 east

4. poor off an on ramps and short weaving distances to box store heaven

5. poor separation of turning lanes, especially when road markings are not visible at night and in winter

6. no lag times between green to orange to red signal light sequence in such a way that every time a different traffic movement is engaged there should be a good 5 second lag when traffic in all directions is at a standstill to allow lagging cars to finish their movement.

7. one of the more complex intersections in town that demands strict attention by drivers.

And what is the indicator that the above is a relatively accurate assessment? The fact that it is the highest traffic accident area in town and that the introduction of the westgate stores has made it worse rather than better.

The fact that the weaving distances to the dairy queen and KFC are very short for those entering Domano from HWY 16 west does not help either. College Hights has some very substandard planning that goes back a long way.

The Miller Connaught Concerned Citizens Committee is keeping close tabs on the Friendship Lodge and will continue to do so. How would you like this type of place thrown into your neighbourhood?? On Sept. 22, 6 to 8 p.m. at the Civic Centre the City staff will present a health and wellness center concept. The facility would bring multiple health and social services together into a single facility. Looks like another effort to try to clean up the Downtown and neighbours we know what happened with the hookers so we better be on the ball or they will throw this facility into our area someplace . I guess they want to draw more of these types into Prince George with all their great services. They have distroyed the downtown and now they are trying to distroy our Neighbourhood as well.I would sure like to have the Job of executive director of the C.I.N.H.C. He is always walking around downtown, sure must get a lot of coffee breaks.

vocer wrote:
"Any one know anything about the prince George hotel being sold? rumour has it it has been sold to the Ramada Corp. and will be leveled for a parking lot. Goetech drilling and Amec surveyors were in the parking lot last week busy surveying away. Rather curious."

The parking lot is not owned by the Hotel, I believe. I doubt anyone would do drilling if they were going to level a building to use the property as a parking lot.

The reason to do drilling would be to give engineers the data required to determine what kind of footings and foundation sytem is required to support a building, find out where the water table is, etc.

The Ramada has parking in the parkade. That would be a very expensive parking lot. I doubt the Ramada has a money printing machine.

But, I also have no doubt that that conditions will arrive one of these days that the hotel will be sold and like all things in PG, it will be torn down and people will think the "problem" will go away.