Dejavu

Give the people you gouged back their money then.

The next time a nut case goes on a rampage and kills 14 women or 4 RCMP officers, it will come right back.

I hope this goes through, but I doubt it will. The Liberals and NDP won't play ball, is my guess. Even if it gets past those two parties, it probably won't be okayed by the Liberal senators.
Still, we can hope.
I won't hold my breath waiting for a refund of registration fees paid years ago.
metalman.

About damn time.

Herbster, let me ask you a question. Why would they bring back a useless registry that didn't stop the murder of those four officers in the first place? Or any other murders? It's proven to be a failure so why are some grasping to it as some sort of solution?

"About damn time." Says Ruez!

HEAR HEAR!! My sentiments precisely.

Ruez can you prove it didn't stop any murders? I thought so. The fact the association of police chiefs think the registry is a good idea is good enough for me.

My question is: why handguns?? Registration of them is equally as stupid as a long gun. No difference what-so-ever. The vast majority of gun owners are not psychos. An owner taking a pistol with him as a means of self defense in the wilderness should not be forbidden. Carrying a rifle is cumbersome and bulky if you are on a fishing trip. Stupid laws strictly for political reasons.

There doesnt have to be proof that it didnt prevent murders, if only because such proof would be impossible (as you well know). However, it can be shown that the registry did not significantly reduce gun crimes involving legally owned guns (it was low before, its low now). It is also easy to show that the vast majority of gun crimes involve illegal weapons. Maybe those crimes are the ones the registry 'prevented'.

"The fact the association of police chiefs think the registry is a good idea is good enough for me."

Uh..say what? RCMP have said that the registry was intended to assist them BUT has proven useless to them. Just because they attend a call to a home that IS registered doesn't mean they STORE their guns there. ALSO just because the home or individual they are dealing with IS NOT registered DOES NOT MEAN they do not have a gun. THE REGISTRY IS POINTLESS.

"RCMP assistant commissioner Ian Atkins: “We operate in a wide range of environments where long guns are the major problem. We need the tools for preventive action. We are actively combatting the illegal gun trade and cross-border smuggling. Illegal guns begin as legal guns. Without strong controls on legal firearms, we cannot prevent diversion to illegal markets. Without information about who owns firearms legally, and the firearms they own, we cannot charge individuals with illegal possession. We need strong laws controlling firearms."

An armed populous is a safe populous. I certainly do not condone the use of firearms against peace officers or other officials. I do however believe that they keep some checks and balances in the system. The government is less likely to go into full on dictatorship mode if they know there will be an active resistance to its illegal actions.

Herbster, the Association of Police Chiefs is a totally political creature. It does not represent the police officers on street. Can you prove the gun registry ever saved a single life? I thought not.

We have had a handgun registry since the 1930's and it has not solved a problem with handguns. You must be nuts if you think a long gun registry is going to do more than just frustrate legal owners of guns.

Put the money into fighting crime.

Mercenary, less than 5 % of Canadian households have firearms as opposed to over 39% of U.S. households. Canadian murder rate per 100,000 in 2008 was 1.83. U.S. rate was 5.8. Where would you rather live?

Don Wilkin- I don't know your profession, but police chiefs deal with the problems that guns create on a daily basis. Accordingly when a statement from the
"Former Cape Breton Regional Police chief Edgar McLeod: “We cannot combat the misuse of guns without strong controls. We recently had a case where an individual made threats to staff at the Children's Aid. Because of the system, we knew he had firearms and were able to obtain a warrant to seize them.”"
I take that a lot more seriously than your opinion. Furthermore does it frustrate you to register your car? Your dog? Your children? If you are that easily frustrated maybe you shouldn't own guns.

this will go back and forth forever it appear..sepending on which way you vote, but I think that the fact of this matter is in the numbers of ILLEGAL firearms committing offences Vs. the number of REGISTERED firearms committing offences. I tend to think that numbers make the case.

WHat? now we are going to support an idea because some police chiefs like the idea? I wonder if you would support many of the other possible regulations the chiefs might support?
Prove the gun registry reduced crime sufficiently to justify the cost in dollars and in peoples freedom (from illegal search and seizure at least). When you are proposing increased regulation and/or reductions in peoples privacy the onus is on you to prove it is necessary, or at least worthwhile.
Of course, you folks who dont own a gun will find it easy to increase regulation of gun ownership, or even advocate a total ban (especially any PETA folk out there). Isn't that the way it works? It works even better when you can cloak your bias in righteous concern about 'all the gun crime out there'. Of course, a lack of hard evidence to support your argument isnt all that important is it?

People in PG don't like the gun registry. What a surprise.

So now my unregistered guns will be legal again. What an upstanding citizen I will soon be!

Well, we are primarily rural, we are in the western half of the country, etc etc. I am pretty proud to be a PG person. Lots of common sense here. Lots of people who appreciate the freedoms we have, even if they have a cost.

Anyone who supports the Gun Registry is blowing smoke up a dead mans butt.

The fact of the matter is this legislation was brought in after the massacre in Quebec. In other words because of the crime of One (1) individual every gun owner in Canada had to register his long rifles, and on top of that he had to pay a fee to do so.

Problem is the Liberal Government brought in his legislation to capatilize on a tragic situation, and try to up thier support in the Province of Quebec.

So what we have here is a political situation, that is penalizing people in rural areas, because of a two bit Government ploy to attract votes and get re-elected.

Those who were mainly behind this legislation like Alan Rock, and Anne McCellan lost their seats and are no longer MP'S.

Dont try to cover up an obvious political ploy, by trying to defend the removal of peoples rights for political purposes.

Of course the heads of the Police Departments are in favour of this legislation, mainly because they are political and because it may make their job somewhat easier.

Criminal activity should not be used to restrict the freedoms of law abiding citizens. Anyone who thinks differently is a fool and a knave.