Why haven't they heard of climategate. Its a scam.

Perhaps they have heard of it. Perhaps they actually investigated it and found out it was all based on ridiculous hype and nonsense. perhaps they actually thought the "trick" of using temperatures actually measured by a thermometer instead of ones estimated from tree rings was a perfectly valid thing to do and far more accurate.

This is a colossal scam. Wake up ammonra.

Maybe HE did investigate it, but i doubt it. If he did he might ask why tree rings were used for the first 600 years and then temperatures for the lastbit (coincidentally the last part is where the temperature shoots up). Perhaps temps are more accurate, but why dont the tree rings show an increase for the same period (they show none since 1960)? If they are not good enough for the last century, then what are they worth for the previous ones?
This isnt even climategate, folks, the infamous 'hockey stick' graph used by the UN as the basis for their whole position on global warming was discredited before the emails came out. Look it up for yourselves if you want, it's all there.

Oh, by the way, on a conspiracy theory note: carbon trading was worth 128 bilion this year. Follow the money maybe?

OMG! We're getting dumber than Gore.

Well of course, another reason to raise taxes.

Bug kill trees put more CO2 in the air than all of the man made sources in B.C. This is part of evolution. The world will warm up regardless of mans presence. I still believe that we should do as much as we can do, within reason, to curb polution. However this environmental movement has gotten out of hand. The carbon trading/credit system is a carefully planned scheme to make a few people a lot of money. Look whats happening right in our province.. Companies are buying large acreages of land, planting trees,getting carbon credits in return so than continue to pollute. The Haida on the Queen Charlotte Islands are selling carbon credits based on their old groth forests,to major poluters. All of this is doing nothing to stop polution, just shift it from one place to another.These warm fuzzy green dogooders should be exposed. IT'S A SCAM FOLKS AND WE TOOK IT HOOK LINE AND SINKER.

P.S. I hope the Copenhagen summit on climate fails. This B.S. has to stop.

Supertech.."We're getting dumber than Al Gore." Some of that $128 billion that caranmacil is taking about has found it's way into his pocket. He's not that dumb.

I hope Harper keeps up what he is doing in Copenhagen. Good for him for standing up to the greedy. Now if he would stop being photographed with the Bilderburg group I may even trust him. Roflmao!

Caranmacil does, in fact, make a good point regarding the usefulness of tree ring estimates as a basis for temperature changes. In my opinion, this should have been the subject of a peer reviewed paper questioning the reliability of such data and its application.

However, how can you fault what temperatures measured with a thermometer show? Regardless of the validity of the tree ring estimates, the actual thermometer measurements show a clear rise in temperature, or are we now to believe that thermomemeters are in on the conspiracy?

Giterdun at least understands that global warming is a reality, and as I have said a few times before, the difference of opinion in most cases is why - natural events of human pollution - and how best to deal with it. Discussing those at least makes some effort to deal with the problem, whereas the conspiracy theorist "it's not happening, it's all a lie" approach merely sticks its head in the sand and refuses to see what is right in front of our noses.

The earth IS warming, and will continue to do so whether we think so or not. If we take no action, our children and grandchildren are the ones who have to live with the results. When the earth's maximum capacity to remove carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases is reached, then any more carbon dioxide just sits there in the atmosphere acting as an insulator for cosmic heat until some more capacity developes.

Giterdun says, "Companies are buying large acreages of land, planting trees,getting carbon credits in return so than continue to pollute." I must say that I disapprove of this approach. We need, as a global community, to stop generating so much pollution. Turning pollution into profit generation will cause more problems in the long run, I expect.

Where oh where has that $7 BILLION dollars gone in that Euro carbon trading fraud? No mention of it in the mainstream media. Maybe after Copenfraud, in Denmark. Maybe the Global Warmists will say, like those emails, "the money was taken out of context". I have four trees in my yard. Anyone want to buy my trees as a carbon credit? Enough bucks and I will provide a real neat certificate too.