" Undetermined" ???? Then don't you think someone should be hired from a better forensic's department?

Are you saying that there was something wrong with the investigation? It is not always possible to pinpoint the cause of a fire. It was a big building that burned hot for a long period of time. I can't imagine there being a lot of evidence left.

They always seem to figure everything out on shows like CSI, what the heck is wrong with our investigators?

I am still wondering why there is a veil of silence around the response time to this fire. Various people have put the time at approx 30 minutes.

If this is the actual response time to PG Airport then they have a serious problem every time they have a structural fire.

As I said before, seems to me they used to have Firemen stationed at the Airport for structural fires, but things have changed since it became an Airport Authority.

We all know that under **normal** circumstances, the Fire Department receives accolades on its response, and handling of fires, sometimes there is a statement from the Fire Chief, and maybe even the Mayor.

Unless I missed it, I havent seen any discussion by the Fire Department, the City, the Airport Authority, or any of the News media in regards to what fire protection is available at the Airport for business's locating there, and what would be an average response time.

Is this issue being downplayed because it would not look good, with our endeavours to have wide body cargo jets land here, and industry locate here???

Is anyone going to lift the veil of silence, or will we just pretend that every thing is just fine.

The RCMP could embark upon a forensics operation like they did with the PIG farm, in order to find DNA of the person presumed to be missing, but the costs to the province would be very high.

Jumbo Jets? Landing here? Hmmm One so far. I see they're just lining up to land here.

Maybe, just maybe, everything isn't a conspiracy or cover-up.

Does anyone know if the PVW fire dept. was called out? Maybe it should have some full time staffing?

I heard that they can't really look further for human remains until the debris thaws, so that part of the investigation is still in the works, just delayed.

Its not a question of being a conspiracy or cover up. Its very simple. Do we have a credible fire department at the Prince George Airport to fight structural fires.

It seems the Airport Authoritys fire department is trained to fight aircraft fires only.

Would you locate a business at the Airport if you were advised that the response time for a fire truck would be 30 minutes. What sort of insurance cost would you pay if 30 minutes is the normal response time.

These are all valid questions, and I suspect that because of this fire there will be some big changes as to how fires are handled at this Airport.

My point is, is that no one has been talking about this subject. The main thrust of the new coverage is about the missing man, which is fine, but there is more to the story.

Lets get some investigative reporting going here. Surely someone other than myself is smelling fish.

"The Prince George Fire Department investigators have concluded their investigation into the blaze and were not able to determine a cause."

Okay, so they were not able to determine why the fire was started.

BUT ..... is that all that they need to determine?

In my opinion and obviously several others on here, this fire should never have consumed the entire building. Surely there are parts to the investigation that ought to deal with that. Or is this another case of the airport and the city fire fighters investigating themselves similar to the RCMP. Where are the insurance companies with all this? I assume the tenants and the owners all had independent insurance companies. Would they not be looking for a bit more than just the cause? Did alarms malfunction? Where there protective measures which malfunctioned? Was the building compartmentalized and the fire separation between compartments were compromised before the fire even started? Was the proximity of fire dapartments as recorded in the insurance papers false? - i.e. were the insurance companies under the imrpession, either implicit or explicit, that there was fire fighting as close by as the airport itself or the volunteer fire department?

and on and on the questions go.

Is this public information? Is an FOI request required?

"I heard that they can't really look further for human remains until the debris thaws"

Did anyone notice that there is a lot of thawing going on and likely will for another week or so?

Is Mr. Martin that much of a recluse that no one knows his travel plans? Who is the beneficiary of the insurance? Who, if to anyone, did Mr. Martin owe money to? Is there a mortgage on the building or any liens registered against it? Anyone can go and examine the land registry records.

I'm sure the answers to many of these questions are known by the investigators already. But as someone noted, life is not always as it appears on CSI.

As for the future, the airport may very well be putting the wheels in motion to ensure that either a) response time will be quicker, or more likely b) they'll have people onsite trained to fight structural fires. But this doesn't happen overnight. Patience.

Patience is a virtue. Seems to me there used to be firemen at the Airport prior to the Airport Authority being established. It appears that some changes were made to how fires were to be fought. Some cross training took place, and I beleive some people were let go.

As I recall it wasnt to long after the Airport Authority took over that 20 jobs were eliminated at the Airport. I dont know what jobs these were, but I suspect that some of them may very well have been fire fighters.

In any event Gus gives a good account of the questions that should be asked, however the real question is.

WHO WILL ASK THE QUESTIONS???????

So we revert to my original question. Is there a veil of silence thrown over this whole situation. If so is the media actually avoiding asking the tough questions, or does nobody give a S..t.

And the family not wondering were he is...I know my would be!

Also try collecting insurance when there is no "body" to be found!

My heart goes out to the Martin family and I hope you get your answers soon.

Lots of questions agreed. We can't have airport growth when a fire that should have been put out ends up like this. Incompetance all around not to have a plan in place for this kind of eventuality. Someone should lose their job over a screw up like that... a life and a main employer at the airport were lost as a result of having no structural fire plan in place. Who is accountable for that and what do they have to say about it?

Sure a lot of heavy duty speculation going here in this forum, is this Opinion 250? or has it morphed into Speculation runs rampant 250? I think some of the above comments are more than a little disrespectful to the Martins.
metalman.

Heavy speculation is the norm around here. When one doesn't have all the facts and inside knowledge, people tend to fill in the blanks with their own theories.

If there were no inquiring people, then everything would be swept under a carpet.

"Sure a lot of heavy duty speculation going here in this forum, is this Opinion 250? or has it morphed into Speculation runs rampant 250? I think some of the above comments are more than a little disrespectful to the Martins."
metalman.

I agree Metalman. A few of the comments seem pretty crass. I hope the Martin family gets the closure they need, one way or another and as soon as possible. One can only imagine how horrible this must be for them.

I would think that fire fighting involves not only putting out fires, but also adhering to legally established jurisdictions.

Once a fire department starts fighting a fire it becomes legally responsible for all the actions it takes from start to finish.

Perhaps this was the case here. Are fire fighters who are trained to deal with the complexity of airplane fires also trained to properly deal with building fires?

Are fire fighters who tackle fires outside of their jurisdiction properly covered in case of injury?

I am sure that the airport fire department has specialized equipment, as do city fire departments.

Just a guess, for all it is worth.

Call in Nancy Grace

Nobody here is being "disrespectful" as some of you say...we would like to know where a member of our society has gone, that's all, Do you think the family as given up hope!

Based on similar situations it would be normal for a family member to make some sort of statement to reduce the amount of speculation. Not sure that has been done.
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As far as the fire goes and investigating it, the building is not owned by any of the fire departments. I would think that the building owners would have an interest in what can be improved in providing them with better service in the future should they rebuild.

In addition, there must still be other buildings at the airport whose owners may now be a bit more concerned about what service is actually available.

Joe Martin and sons owned the building ... I havent been in that hanger for a bit better than 12 years ...when Central Mountain Bought NT air (but not the hanger ...when Joe Martin bought NT air in the early 90s they bought everything) .....
the hanger was totally open with the exception of front end ...

the offices in which they say the fire started had doors on them ... but walled out to main hanger

I spoke to one of the firefighters that attended this fire,and he indicated that they were on site at the airport and setting up in just over 14 minutes from recieving the call. Does anyone like Palopu step from behind their computer long enough to make a couple phone calls, perhaps to the fire department, and ask the pertinent questions? NAAAA, lets just sit here in our comfy office chairs and speculate and criticize the members of our great city who may be somewhat vulnerable to scrutiny. GET A LIFE!

On site and setting up in just over 14 minutes. The original CBC report on this fire, based on the information they received from the person who was at the Airport and who phoned 911 is that it was closer to 30 minutes response time. The person who phoned 911 stated that he phoned it in at 230pm and the trucks arrived at 3pm.

The fireman many be right in regards to getting there in 14 minutes after he got the call, but that doesnt mean that there wasnst miscommunication before that.

Are these calls routed through Kamloop????
Was there some discussion with the Airport before sending the Fire Trucks???

I dont have these answers however I am not about to dispute the information provided by the person who was on hand, and who phoned in the initial call.

I have talked to other people who were in different locations in the City and who went to the Airport when they heard about the fire. Guess what??? They arrived there before the fire trucks.

I am not about to become a reporter for the Prince George Citizen or Opinion 250. These people get paid good money to report the news and to investigate various and sundry situations. My point is, is that there is some part of this story that is being ignored, and perhaps it should be looked at.

PS. The mere fact that you refer to Prince George as a ***Great City** gives a clear indication that you have little or no knowlege of Cities. What are we great for???? Whats out claim to fame???

Paris is a great City. So is New York, Berlin, Moscow, Rio De Janerio, etc; etc; etc;.
Prince George is a small City located 500 miles from any major populated area, again I ask. What makes us great????

The response time was closer to 12-14m.. not 30m!!! If it was 30m from the time the person made the call.. that is not the firefighters fault. the got they call and made it in there and what i think is great time considering where the hall is and where the hanger is.

the airport firefighters are not trained in structural fires, there specialty is airplane fires. Trying to fight a fire you are not trained to do so can make matters worse or put others/yourself in danger.

the whole building being consumed doesnt seem odd to me.. considering how old it was! and the huge hanger doors that prove o2 to feed the fire. also what was this building made from? i dont think it was metal frames so doesnt it make sense it went up easily?

what is wrong with some of you? it is pretty easy to find some of the answers yourself instead of bashing or 'assuming' wrongfully

it should also be noted that they are still looking for human remains... http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/20100112999925426/local/news/search-continues-at-fire-site.html