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Tuesday, February 16, 2010 03:52 AM

Prince George, B.C.- It has been a year since the Province announced a string of initiatives to battle gangs and organized crime in B.C. One of those initiatives saw the establishment of a 16 member Combined Forces Special Enforcement Unit in Prince George. That unit has already seized numerous firearms, ammunition, explosives, and a 70 plant marijuana grow op run by an organized crime group in Prince George
 
Solicitor General and Minister responsible for Public Safety, Kash Heed says he is very confident the battle against gang activity in B.C. is making progress “We need to move a lot further than we have in the past, and will continue to move in that direction.”
 
In the past, it seemed that as soon as one gang was dismantled, another would appear to fill the gap.   Such was the case when the Crew was dismantled in Prince George. No sooner was that gang gone, when a new group   appeared on the scene, a group which continues to battle with the Independent Soldiers and the Renegades for “turf”.   Solicitor General Kash Heed says a new approach to dealing with gang leaders is helping to reduce the number of lieutenants who can start up new organizations “We have managed to take off some key players now when we started to take off those key layers, the void was easily filled, so we started targeting the next level at the same time, so in fact, when we took off one of these key leaders of these gangs that were involved in significant crime, the person who came and filled it out we also took them down too, so the void wasn’t as easily filled. Is there a number of people lined up going to get involved in gangs once we take these people out? Yes. But in order for us to deal with that in a more effective way we have to think long term and   we have to think prevention.”
 
Prevention says Heed, starts with looking at the social conditions that breed these gang members. “What we want to make sure we take a very balanced approach to this, that we have a comprehensive strategy to intervene and suppress and oppress these gangs. At the same time, because the void is so easily filled, what we are focusing on right now is our schools.   We are looking at a vulnerable group of individuals through some criteria that’s applied, that are most likely to get involved in gang behaviour.    Because all research, many of the relationships that are formed that lead to gang associates and gang members, are formed within our school system, So that’s the key area we’re focusing on right now to identify those individuals who are at risk.”   There is a series of programs underway in the Surrey area called the RAP program which looks at identifying at risk youth and intervening   in whatever way possible to prevent them from getting involved in gang activity. Coming to Prince George this spring, is the Lion’s Pride program.   Announced   earlier this month in Surrey, the Lion’s Pride program has   members of the B.C. Lions football team making 24 stops at high schools throughout the province highlighting the importance of making positive choices and choosing alternate activities to gang involvement.
 
“ Where we want to eventually get to is   further ahead of the problem. We want to make sure we have comprehensive programs in place that identify some of the negative behaviours and really start to educate our youth at a very young age, even in the elementary schools so these children make the right decisions as they move through their education.”    Heed says he would like to see such a program start   at grade one and progress with the student through to grade twelve. Heed says this kind of program would help “get ahead of the problem” whether it’s gang, guns, drugs or other deviant behaviour “If we don’t get ahead of it, we will always be reacting to it. We will always be thinking more resources, more resources on the reactionary side versus taking that balanced approach of going in on the   prevention side at the same time that we are going in and taking off these major gang leaders and organized crime figures who are operating in our province.”
 
Heed says the tip line is a very important tool . It handled more than 15 hundred calls between April and October of last year an increase of 28%. “The value that we’ve gained from the tip line is significant, I am committed to that.   We’ve had some key pieces of information come into police from individuals.” 
 
Heed wants to go another step, into developing a prevention tip line. He says through his years of experience, education and studies, there are four areas that need attention: First    is support at the family level, to ensure families have the food, shelter and support they need so children are not drawn to the what may be perceived to be a lucrative life of crime. Secondly, he says there needs to be good support in the school system.   The third component is community support “We have to be sure we have the proper role models and the community is actually engaged in making a difference here.” And the fourth   area is the criminal justice system “What we currently do is focus a lot of our efforts on the criminal justice system, and we don’t focus as much on the other key pieces so I want to make sure there is a balance across that in order to deal with this problem.”
 
This kind of four pronged approach will not be cheap, and Heed knows there is no endless bucket of money “That’s why I am interested in supporting evidence based results on programs that work.” He says the RAP program in Surrey looks promising,   if the results can be replicated elsewhere, that’s the kind of program in which the Province will invest “Am I going to just come out and throw money around? No.   I firmly believe we have to have evidence based programs that work.” 
 
Since the 7 point plan to battle gang crime was announced last February 13th, more than 140 organized crime and gang members have been arrested throughout the province and have been charged with approximately 350 serious offences.
 

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Just wondering....of the 140 arrested how many served any amount of jail time?
Kash Heed is a smart guy and he knows that no amount enforcement or talking to kids about gangs will ever solve the gang problem.

So why is Heed saying that he is, "very confident the battle against gang activity in B.C. is making progress"?

Facts:

1. Illegal drugs are the major source of funding for gangs.

2. Drugs are not going away.


The only effective solution to combating gangs is to legalize, regulate and control the sale of drugs.

Prohibition is the *absence* of control.

Relegating the supply to drugs to the black market is the a self-inflicted injury on society.

But Kash Heed knows all this, so it must eat at his conscience that he is fighting a never-ending, no-win battle, when he knows what the real solution is.


Listen to what this police officer has to say about our current drug laws...

YouTube:
Bill C-15 Senate Committee testimony (11/25/09)
Officer David Bratzer (Victoria PD), Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=173LZbyWCOU



-FrankD
The police officer you are referring to has only 4 yrs service on the job. He is a junior constable. Until he gets more time under his belt I cannot legitamize what he is saying, which in my opinion is just regurgitated from his little group.

As for the programs such as RAP and the Lions program, they are good in theory. However these ideas were all played out in the Los Angeles area for at least a couple of decades ago and still the gangs have grown. So I doubt their effacacy here in BC. Why so many canadian police forces especially the RCMP are so behind the times I don't know but these programs are someone's way to get their next promotion.

Gangs have been around since the turn of the century - they are a criminal segment in our society that will never totally be erased.
And by saying the turn of the century I mean the 1900's.
I think there's really only two approaches to dealing with the problem of drugs. You can take the Middle Eastern approach which involves amputations and hangings - probably not the Canadian way but apparently has been very effective where it has been used.

The other way I agree with FrankD. Just legalize it, control it, and tax it. Think of this. Right now if someone wants to buy pot they get it from a drug dealer whose incentive is to lace it with narcotics and get them upgraded to a more addictive drug. Legalization can reduce that kind of upselling.

The war on drugs has been going on for decades now and it will not be won because there's a consumer for the product.

Since the war isn't working, why not give peace a chance for say 3 years. And if all the horrible consequences probitionists do occurr, there's nothing to stop us from making drugs illegal again and start up the old war again. But what if it does work? Think of all the cops that can spend their time making roads and streets safe instead of chasing drug dealers.

For the record my drug of choice is beer and wine. Never liked pot and never tried any of the others. Just tired of paying to fight a war that can't be won.
@ lmorge,

> The police officer you are referring to has only 4 yrs
> service on the job. He is a junior constable. Until he
> gets more time under his belt I cannot legitamize what
> he is saying, which in my opinion is just regurgitated
> from his little group.

Are you dismissing him, or his ideas?


Don't just take Officer Bratzer's opinion, here are some other expert witnesses that testified before the Senate Committee studying Bill C-15 (mandatory sentences for growing pot, etc.)...


1) Eugene Oscapella – Ottawa lawyer and founder of Canadian Foundation for Drug Policy, http://CFDP.ca
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnKccUTyE_M


2) Craig Jones – Exec Dir., John Howard Society
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0mQ8m-0Xqg


3) Kirk Tousaw – Lawyer and Executive Director of the Beyond Prohibition Foundation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1269_doTXQk


Need more proof?

This is a key conclusion of the Senate Special Committee on Illegal Drugs, 2002 ("Cannabis: Our Position for a Canadian Public Policy")

"The continued prohibition of cannabis jeopardizes the health and well-being of Canadians much more than does the substance itself."


This report is available online:
http://www.senatereport.ca

At the least, take a look at the "Conclusions & Recommendations":
http://www.senatereport.ca/conclusions


Ending cannabis prohibition is in Canada's best interest. If you don't agree with that, lmorge, you are in the minority.


-FrankD
There is no political will to solve the illegal drug problem in Canada. Just politics. Marijuana is the number one cash crop in BC. Drugs keep policemen, doctors, nurses, lawyers, judges employed and our hospitals, treatment centers and penitentiaries full with all its support staff employed. Legalized gambling and casinos are a government run laundry mat for criminals to clean their money, and of course it all goes to the government. To suggest we legalize illegal drugs because we have lost the war makes no more sense than legalizing rape because we can't stop or control that either. Perhaps we should legalize impaired driving and shoplifting too! What war on drugs have we lost? There never was a war. A war would suggest the government is sending its soldiers to do battle with the arms & weapons they need to succeed. Would we expect our soldiers in Afghanistan to win that war if we sent them overseas naked with no weapons or tools. Our laws are no longer made by the parliamentarians that represent us and we elect. The CHARTER allows individual drug criminals to make laws that change from day to day depending on the judge of the day. Deep pocketed drug criminals, greedy corrupt lawyers and narrow minded judges now create the laws that Canadians must bear. The CHARTER has quickly become an acronym for Canadian History About Ridiculous Trials, Evidence & Rulings! The nicest building in Prince George is the courthouse while nearby sidewalks are littered with evidence of drug abuse and the addicted. We can't even control drug abuse in our penitentiaries where inmates are guarded 24 hours a day behind high fences and constant surveillance. How can anyone be expected to control the drug problem on the outside? Penitentiaries ignore the drug problem because a stoned inmate population is a happy one. Inmates continue to deal drugs in jail as they have unlimited use of the phone as it is their right. Jail is merely an inconvenience. The jails house 2 to 3 times the population they were built to house. Crown counsel get twice as many charges recommended from the police than they can logistically prosecute. This has created alarming plea bargaining and back room deals out of the public eye where justice is no longer seen to be done. The CHARTER, computers and technology have handcuffed the police creating an advantage gap between criminals and police. Do the math. The whole legal system (not justice system) has ground to a halt with little concern by Canadians except for what they read in newspapers.
You are identifying many problems with current drug policy but you fail to see them as such.


> To suggest we legalize illegal drugs because we have
> lost the war makes no more sense than legalizing rape
> because we can't stop or control that either. Perhaps we
> should legalize impaired driving and shoplifting too!


Comparing the crime of sexual assault to drug use is absolutely ridiculous!

Drug use is a consensual crime where there is no "victim." The idea of a "pusher" is absurd. No one is forced to take drugs, they seek it out. Much different than crimes such as rape or theft of property where someone is obviously a victim.

If a person is addicted it should be seen as a medical problem and there should be help available for them to get off drugs.


*** The reason to legalize is to gain control of the situation, not to "give up"! ***

I have provided links to supporting information and all you have provided is your opinion... and you know what they say about opinions.

Cite some sources for your beliefs.

-FD
FrankD, all you have done is post other people's 'opinions'. On that note, here is mine.

Although there is some merit to legalizing dope and ending prohobition as many like to call it, I have a HUGE problem legalizing another mind altering drug. We have enough problems with the mind altering substances that ARE legal. Does it make sense to add to this problem? Taxing the dope will make the problems go away?

I believe the only solution to this problem is to instill heavy jail sentences to those that are caught growing, selling or using the substance. Yes, I said USING.

The judicial system is way too lenient on these criminals and it's time to get hard nosed. Lock em up and throw away the key!!
I don't think weed has any negative mind altering effects that are any greater than a similar sampling of the general public. No negative medical side effects of smoking weed have ever been proven... and weed makes up probably 80% of the value of the under ground drug market... maybe we should legalize weed, and like Frank says gain control of the situation as a society and as a source of revenue that is accounted for like all other businesses.

That said I couldn't make the same argument for any of the other drugs, because they create harm in the person taking them, and harm in the side effects to others from the people taking them. I think if we as a society were able to separate the two and concentrate on the hard drugs we would win as a society over what we are doing now. With the added focus on a smaller scope problem we would have a chance at eliminating drug funded gangs from the equation.

Right now the policy is about the politics of power, and not the best way to enable society to grow into a better world.
BATMAN,

> FrankD, all you have done is post other
> people's 'opinions'.

Did you happen to see these links in my post?? Did you even take a look at the Conclusions section of the Senate Report??

>> At the least, take a look at the "Conclusions &
>> Recommendations":
>> http://www.senatereport.ca/conclusions


> I have a HUGE problem legalizing another mind altering
> drug.

There is no "adding another drug." It's already here. Do you think people are waiting for legalization to use cannabis? They're not.

Currently cannabis is easier for kids to get than alcohol. Why is that?? Because one of them is regulated and controlled with age restrictions and one is not.

As I wrote before, prohibition is the *ABSENCE* of control. Legalization isn't the wild west. That's what we have NOW.


>We have enough problems with the mind altering
> substances that ARE legal.

The substances that ARE legal (tobacco and alcohol) are MUCH MORE dangerous than cannabis.


> I believe the only solution to this problem is to
> instill heavy jail sentences to those that are caught
> growing, selling or using the substance. Yes, I said
> USING.


There is no connection between use rates and the laws, so legalizing cannabis would not cause a significant rise in use rates. In the US there are 13 States that have decriminalized and there is no difference in use rates of cannabis of states with decrim and those that don't.


> The judicial system is way too lenient on these
> criminals and it's time to get hard nosed. Lock em up
> and throw away the key!!

Do you have any kids? Odds are very good that they'll try cannabis at some point. I doubt you'd have same attitude if one of your kids were jailed over using a substance far less harmful than alcohol.


Why don't you read over the Conclusions section of the Senate Report and then respond?
http://www.senatereport.ca/conclusions


-FrankD
Eagleone,

> That said I couldn't make the same argument for any of
> the other drugs, because they create harm in the person
> taking them, and harm in the side effects to others from
> the people taking them.

The more dangerous a drug is the more reason there is to legalize and control it.

When addictive drugs are prohibited they are much more expensive and desperation causes some addicts to commit crimes to support their habit.

If an addict were able to buy their drugs at a pharmacy they could continue to be a productive citizen, and would have easy access to help to get off drugs if the person decides that they want to try.

-FrankD