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Veteran's Plaza Price Tag To Hit $1 Million

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Thursday, April 29, 2010 04:00 AM

No grass, no flowers, no shrubs, no irrigation system....yet

Prince George, B.C.-  Today, there is a site meeting for  those planning on  submitting a bid  to the City  for the job of installing an irrigation system at the  Veteran’s Plaza/ Spirit Square.

You may very well be asking yourself, why wasn’t this work done last year?  The short answer is …..money.

Initially,  the designers of the new Veteran’s Plaza/Spirit Square, estimated the  entire revamping of the area (including their design work )  would  cost  $950 thousand dollars.  The Province (as part of its Olympic Legacy program) agreed to pay half of the bill, to a maximum of $500 thousand.

The City spent just under $80 thousand for the design, meaning there was $870 thousand dollars left for the actual work and put out the call for bids on the project which included the installation of an irrigation system, and landscaping.

The lowest bid came in at $967,777.00  and that did not include taxes.   That would have put the project well over the budgeted amount says  Aiden Kelly, Manager of Solid Waste and Park Services for the City of Prince George “We wanted to make sure the money that we had was the money that we spent, so  we had to  reduce the scope of work and we looked at a number of areas on  how that could be accomplished and irrigation  was one of the areas we had to scale back on to  get the project on budget last year.”  They also agreed to hold off on landscaping, which explains why the Veteran’s Plaza/Spirit Square looks very barren.

The City went back to IDL, which removed those portions from its bid, and the revised price tag was just shy of $838 thousand plus tax.

City officials   say it isn’t really fair  to  say the project ran over budget as it was,  technically,  a little under budget for  2009 and now, a new budget for 2010 has set aside  $50 thousand  for the irrigation system installation.   But if you add the  two components of this project together,  it would  certainly  appear to the average person that a project which was supposed to cost $950  thousand,  is  going to cost  $1 million dollars. The initial  project  design also called for benches  and  First Nations  art of some sort, and  there are no signs of those elements  on the horizon.

A new tender has been issued for the installation of the irrigation system.  With the money that was left over from the 2009 budgeted amount, the City went out and bought the necessary pipe for the project.  The supplier also provided a design for the irrigation system.  Price tag for those components was $17 thousand dollars. The City has also purchased the plants trees and shrubs   that will be put on the site once the irrigation system has been installed.  The budgeted amount for the installation of the irrigation system is $50 thousand dollars. 

Bill Gaal says “sleeves” have already been installed under concrete so  putting the irrigation  system in place  should be a simple matter of trenching it in.  Since the landscaping  was not done,  there  won’t be any turf or garden areas that will have to be “dug  up” and no duplication of work. 

There is a tight  time line to get the work  completed. Tender for the irrigation project  closes on May 4th, and  all  work  is expected to be complete by  May 17th.   The City workers will  plant the flowers, trees and shrubs all in time for  the Royal Canadian Legion’s  D-Day  Ceremony  and dedication of the Cenotaph on June 6th. 


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Whoa!
Ya! All this in a time of recession. No disrespect to the veterans but this expense and the raise increase for council could have waited.
There was nothing wrong with the old Veterens Plaza.

This is a prime example of the Provincial Government making money available for projects (in this case $500,000.00) and the City coming up with matching funds.

We as taxpayers end up paying for it all. They did the same thing with the tunnel under Highway 16, and the Kin Connector, Neither of them are used to any large degree.

In fact after they built the tunnel, they installed traffic lights North of the tunnel around Northland Dodge.

A complete waste of money. This is why we are broke, and in debt.
Like IMO says, no disrespect to the vets, but this money could have been better spent on education or health care.
This isn't the first city bid that went sideways in a big way. What ever happened to 4th Avenue improvements?

We pay really big salaries. Why do we continually get really small results? What makes a six-figure city employee worth six figures? Does competence and results have anything to do with compensation at 1100 Patricia?

Perhaps someone should pose that question to Mike Davis, the communications guy. BTW, what's he doing to earn $115,000 a year? Haven't heard a peep since his controversial hiring...
He is providing the City with the advice to lie low.
No disrespect to the Vets, indeed. Of course you are showing disrespect to the Vets. They gave up their lives for democracy and you won't pay a few dollars without bitching! Shame on you.
The thing is that they never factor in ALL the costs of a project. That picture shows it quite clearly, they will likely be putting some new sod in as well. City desk staff as well as public works staff spent time on this and will be spending more time on it to complete the project. By the time everyting is factored in, the total cost is more likely to be $1.5 million compared to a do nothing scenario.

We have to remember, that unless they hired more people for this project, staff were unable to spend time on other projects that they are falling behind on.

MIA .... city manager .... city communications person ..... city project manager for this do nothing project ..... or is that "Aiden Kelly" who, among other things manages solid waste.

Parks and solid waste ..... what a combination.
ammonra ... another catch 22 isn't i? We are practicing what the vets defended.
I see no flags at the cenotaph. Does anyone know if they will be putting some there? Maybe that is another extra.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lancashire/2861214139/in/photostream


$1 Million is a small price to pay for remembering those who gave everything they had. As a taxpayer, a few extra bucks out of my wallet going towards this makes perfect sense so future generations never forget our brightest and best.
The vets are better respected by spending money on crucial aspects of the society that they fought to defend and by studying the history and causes of the wars that they fought in than on building elaborate monuments. Those of you claiming that some of us are disrespectful of the vets sound pious but have given no actual argument for your position.
Thank you Billposer!
This samll new cenotaph does not cost a million $. It costs nothing to rename a space.

What costs the money is the removal of the retaining wall at City Hall and replacing it with a new one that supposedly will discourage loitering behind the bushes that were there. Removing the bushes, and put in low growing shrubs would have had the same effect.

The rest went to removing some of the grass and rpalcing it with concrete.

To remove the old cenotaph and replace it with a new one might have cost $150 to $200 thousand if that. The rest goes to something completely different.

Always make sure you are comparing apples to apples and don't get them confused with the sour grapes lying around. :-)
over budget what a surprise. City has purchased irrigation pipe $17,000. they said it would be a simple matter of trenching the pipe in cost $50,000. If it is a simple matter why is it costing $50,000. They have also purchased all of the shrubs, trees and plants. How much did this cost. there is also a matter of replacing some of the sod, how much. Gus Iam with you I think when all of the ink is dry the cost for this project will be in excess of $1,000,000. But will we ever know??
You do have a Manager of ((Solid)) Waste ? remember there is only one Taxpayer, Grants or no Grants.
Well said Billposer
I think the government should provide free post secondary education for anyone that wants to take a history class... either for the merits of it, or as subsidization towards their education goals as an elective. It would be money well spent and well needed in these times of historical amnesia. A history course teaches far more than just the history, it is also a very good english communications type of course as well, and as such can be one of the most important courses a person can take in their education for objective reasoning and documentation, but is often sadly looked down on as an irrelevant 'elective'.

If I was the dear leader for a day I would mandate that all history courses would be paid for by the provincial government for anyone who choose to take them. If it subsidizes the institutions and students a little bit, then so be it. At least then no one would have an excuse for ignorance of the commitments previous generations made to building our society cumulatively to where we are today. That IMO would be a way to honor our veterans.

For the same price of the renovations we could fund 2000 classes of 200 students each for 400,000 enlightened individuals....

Thanks Elaine for the great investigative reporting into how our tax dollars are being spent, and in doing so helping to hold the bureaucracy to account. Its reports like this that bring to light the reality of how some of our tax dollars are being spent and informs the voter for a more educated populace on the political situation and realities. IMHO.