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Bell on Recall Hit List

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Wednesday, June 23, 2010 10:14 AM

Prince George, B.C. - Prince George-Mackenzie MLA and Minister of Forests and Range, Pat Bell is on the list of  MLAs the  Fight HST campaign  plans to  target for recall action.

The  Fight HST petition  is closing in on  the  700,000 signature mark having met or exceeded their targets of  15% of the voters signatures in all  85 ridings.  The campaign is now looking at its next step which would be recall campaigns to bring about a change in government.

Fight HST Leader, Bill Vander Zalm, says he expects the petition to hit the 700,000 signature mark by the time he delivers it to Elections BC on June 30th. “We have drafted a list of all of the MLAs who we will target for Recalls come November,” said Vander Zalm.

Vander Zalm says the 24 Liberal MLAs targeted for Recalls were chosen for the huge number of signatures collected in their ridings. He says all of the MLAs on the new “HST Hit List” received 25% or more signatures on the petition in their ridings, making them prime candidates for Recalls, as follows:

1. John Slater – Boundary-Similkameen
2. Pat Pimm – Peace River North
3. Donna Barnette – Cariboo Chilcotin
4. George Abbott – Shuswap
5.Terry Lake – Kamloops North
6. Bill Bennett – Kootenay East
7. Ida Chong – Oak Bay – Gordon Head
8. Ron Cantelon – Parksville – Qualicum
9. Bill Barisoff – Penticton
10. Murray Coell – Saanich North
11. Gordon Hogg – Surrey-Whiterock
12. Barry Penner – Chilliwack – Hope
13. Norm Letnik – Kelowna-Lake Country
14. Ben Stewart – Kelowna- Westside
15. Steve Thomson – Kelowna – Mission
16. Eric Foster – Vernon-Monashee
17. Kash Heed – Vancouver- Fraserview
18. Kevin Kruger – Kamloops South
19. Richard Lee – Burnaby North
20. John Les – Chilliwack
21. Don McRae – Comox Valley
22. John Rustad – Nechako Lakes
23. Mary Pollack – Langley
24. Pat Bell – Prince George – Mackenzie

“We haven’t yet decided which ones will be Recalled first, or how many. Our sense is that we will Recall one or two at a time, so as not to bring down the government, but to pressure them to repeal the HST.”

Vander Zalm says his Fight HST organization has already secured a web site, and has started researching all of the ins and outs of Recalls. He says there are a number of advantages to the Recall legislation over the Initiative Petition,“First of all, Recall is binding, and is determined by the Chief Electoral Officer after validating a successful Recall Petition. The government has no say in the matter. Secondly, there are no limits on how many times a Recall may be conducted in the same riding. This gives us the ability to immediately repeat the process if needed until the MLA is removed from office. It’s going to be very exciting.”


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How has Shirley Bond missed this list? must be by the skin of her teeth.
all Shirley Bond needs is a new puppet master. She has never made a decision on her own. Or we can just find someone that has a mind of there own. Bond needs to grow some kahonas and stand on her own.
Having moved from PG to kelowna, I will be making a special trip to PG so I can sign the recall papers. LIEberals are done!
I am totally against recalling elected officials no matter which party they belong to. I was just as opposed when people tried to recall Paul Ramsay.
I would also say that if you didn't vote in the last election you should not be allowed to sign petitions or participate in any recall campaigns.
I take my right to vote seriously and when only a minority of the population votes you get what you get.
Time for a change of leadership in both the Liberals and the New Dumbocrates.
Where is Shirley Bond?
She should be at the top of list!
Did the people asking how Shirley Bond missed this list read the article?
How do "we" initiate "a change of leadership in both the Liberals and the New Dumbocrates" without a recall? You don't seriously believe that "when only a minority of the population votes" that a general election will have any different results?

Doing the same things repeatedly expecting a different result.

non-partisan party!
Couldnt happen to a better person as far as I am concerned...Has he done anything but parrot Campbell?
Campbell's government could save itself by simply reversing its decision on the HST. It's not too late to start to listen to what British Columbians have been overwhelmingly telling them ~ rescind that tax.

Blair Lekstrom asked them to open a dialogue with British Columbians on the need for this kind of, or any further, taxation. And delay the HST's implementation until after that's been done. And that's what any democratic government would do ~ the very least they could do.

Once people find out just how much extra they're going to actually be paying in tax after July 1st, there won't be any chance for 'dialogue'. Campbell will be lucky if only a few of his MLAs will be subject to Recall. More likely than not there'll be a grass-roots effort to recall them all. No one can run a government that way.
What I would like to know why all these business are adding the tax to their sales. Gordon Campbell stood up and said that these businesses would be saving huge amounts of money on this new tax and the savings would offset any increase. So that would mean the cost of products would be going down. So why aren't businesses lowering their prices then adding the HST? We should be paying less for everything then. Who is not telling the truth??????????
What seems to be lost in all this is that it is going to cost us tax dollars to pay for the referendum on the HST as Elections BC hires more people to verify the petition and then hold the voting. If successful and the government repeals the HST what do you think is going to happen next?

They are going to look at how much money they need and where they are going to get it from. It might be from business, it might be from us by raising personal taxes or PST. If from business, it will flow through to the consumer through higher prices. If from us, great, instead of getting kicked in the left cheek of our arse it's the right.

And then there's the 1.5 billion the feds won't give us. Where is that going to come from - more taxes elsewhere.

And if we do all these recalls, whose paying for the Elections BC people to hold those votes. Us again.

We're doing the proverbial cutting our noses off to spite our faces. We all cry about health care is underfunded, education is underfunded, not enough jails for all the drug dealers, welfare rates are too low and the list goes on. But the minute the government says, fine, this is how we're going to pay for it, we spend even more tax money to get them to collect it from us a different way.



Yeah, Campbell lied. He said he wouldn't do it. If we want to have a referendum, it should be on some kind of legal mechanism that allows politicians to be fined for breaking election promises. Because at the end of the day, it doesn't matter who is in power - they all lie to get elected - and the only choice we get is whose going to do it to us.

"Campbell's government could save itself by simply reversing its decision on the HST"

I disagree. That would put them on the run and they will continue to be chased even harder.

They have other tools that are available to them to fine tune the system they have put in place now. The thing to watch is whether they will use them.
What seems to be lost in all this is that it is going to cost us tax dollars to pay for the referendum on the HST as Elections BC hires more people to verify the petition and then hold the voting. If successful and the government repeals the HST what do you think is going to happen next?

They are going to look at how much money they need and where they are going to get it from. It might be from business, it might be from us by raising personal taxes or PST. If from business, it will flow through to the consumer through higher prices. If from us, great, instead of getting kicked in the left cheek of our arse it's the right.

And then there's the 1.5 billion the feds won't give us. Where is that going to come from - more taxes elsewhere.

And if we do all these recalls, whose paying for the Elections BC people to hold those votes. Us again.

We're doing the proverbial cutting our noses off to spite our faces. We all cry about health care is underfunded, education is underfunded, not enough jails for all the drug dealers, welfare rates are too low and the list goes on. But the minute the government says, fine, this is how we're going to pay for it, we spend even more tax money to get them to collect it from us a different way.



Yeah, Campbell lied. He said he wouldn't do it. If we want to have a referendum, it should be on some kind of legal mechanism that allows politicians to be fined for breaking election promises. Because at the end of the day, it doesn't matter who is in power - they all lie to get elected - and the only choice we get is whose going to do it to us.

ski50. Dont get sidetracked by the propaganda that there is no money for health, education, etc; This is the BS that the Government puts out so that you and others like you will support the HST.

How difficult is it to understand that if busniness and big corporations are going to save Billions by the implementaton of the HST, and the Government is going to make some money, then it logically follows that taxpayers will have to make up the difference.

Dont forget that if we recind the HST and go back to the taxes in place in June of 2010 then the PST will stay in effect, and business and corporations will continue to pay this tax.

So with the PST re-established, exactly how much money will the Government be short this year over last year. From a taxpayers point of view very little.

I for one have no ambition to pay the taxes for big corportations like Rio Tinto Alcan, Fording Coal, Major Lumber Companies, etc; etc; etc;. They can pay their own bloody taxes.

Campbell has sold out to big business, the same as Mulrooney did. He will reap the same benefits. So of course he will resign and saunter off into the sunset leaving us holding the bag.

Anyone who cant see how they are being duped by this tax needs to get some serious therapy, as they have morphed into zombies.
Palopu.

It seems to be an almost given large corps are evil etc. but are they really. Here's a case in point. A construction co. in BC wants to bid on a project in Alta. The Co. in B.C. pays 7% on all their equipment, The Alta. co doesn't. So at the inception the B.C. co is at a disadvantage. So, the B.C. co doesn't get the contract. how are we better off?

Currently most manufacturing cos, logging cos and lumber cos don't pay PST on most of their direct inputs because they were getting killed in the international markets for being uncompetitive. HST will make this available to all corps.

Unfortunately the marketplace is worldwide and governments are forced to shift tax burden to it's citizens so that businesses that operate in their jurisidction can remain competitive and employee said citizens.

That said, I understand people are angry
Campbell lied. But it doesn't change the underlying economics of the HST. And so far the NDP have not gone on record they would kill the HST if they came in power.

What ticks me off is it doesn't matter whose in power. They always do different than what they promise. I wish we could enact a law that whenever a politican reverses on a promise he has to forfeit say 10% of his annual salary. It would certainly make them more careful what they say during elections.

The big rip off here is that people voted for Campbell based on what he said, and he did opposite. If this were a business transaction there would be lawsuits all over the place. In a sense the NDP should be suing because their competitor mislead the consumer - us :)
"...Dont get sidetracked by the propaganda that there is no money for health, education, etc;..."

Actually the statement that there is NO money for health and education is pure nonsense, usually coming from the opposition which likes to stretch the truth for its own benefit.

The two items (health & education) are the two top items in the provincial budget, have had not only been maintained and funded routinely but have had annual increases in funding despite declining student enrollments and more new hospitals have been built during the last decade than in the decade before that.

The dollar numbers speak for themselves.

Having signed the anti-HST petition I will most certainly not sign a recall petition that is aimed at Pat Bell.

Compare him to the do-nothing MLAs which we had during the nineties! Pat has performed very well in this riding and should not even be on the list.

Don't come to my door.

You all seem to forget very quickly the turmoil that the previous government had BC in. I don't! It was a disgusting mess! I am horrfied especially when I hear supposledy bright indivuals proclaim how terrific it was. Talk about memory loss.

Let's talk Pat and Shirley...to most of you posting on this site they were the best thing ever...yes they were as long as they were doing what you want. You trusted them then but now you are ready to throw them under the bus. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves. Maybe Alberta needs you because Pat and Shirley or BC sure do not. Sure Pat may be on the list but many of you seem to forget that every time you wanted something he was there. He is the real deal and anyone that has 1/2 a brain knows that!
Here is a thought for you all, not only do we get the HASt on the 1st but there is a nice increase in the cost of fuel going to happen as well...another of Campbells wonerful little ideas called the carbon tax...
HST will create jobs by reducing cost of capital (look it up).

The best argument against the HST is that it shifts tax burden from corporations to individuals. Thats a great argument if you ignore the fact that, in the end, all taxes are paid by individuals in the form of joblessness or higher prices.

But dont let the facts get in the way. Loud and proud (and uneducated) looks to be winning this battle.

Perhaps an IQ test to qualify to vote?

NO ONE WANTS TAXES BUT EVERYONE WANTS SERVICES. After that there are two types of people. NDP supporters who think money magically falls from the sky and realists who realize these services cost ALOT of money.

LESS TAXES MORE SERVICES!! If the anti-HST lobby wins its a great argument for getting rid of schools altogether to save money, because clearly they arent really teaching anyone anything. Cant teach people that dont want to learn.
http://www.nationalpost.com/believe+anti+rhetoric/3179865/story.html

Hey Born in BC,can you read or follow the news,because they are already closing schools,even while they go ahead with the HST.Maybe if they didn't spend all the money on a roof for BC Place or all the money that went into the Olympics,we would have the money for the other services.Hell you even have Global News,who are pro liberal,telling us the Olympics are not paying off as the liberals said they would.So go spout your propaganda to someone else because I'm not buying into it anymore.
Pat Bell deserves to be on that list... he earned it.
"...because they are already closing schools,even while they go ahead with the HST."

I watch, listen to and read the news.

Closing schools is happening all over in provinces, US states and European countries where people are living longer and where they don't have as many children as they used to have.

The birthrate is declining and so is the number of children entering school.

The BCLiberals are doing what is necessary and what the BCNDP did not have the guts to do being terribly afraid of the teachers union.

I don't want schools to stay open at great expense - heating, insurance, maintenance - when my tax dollar can be used more wisely instead of being squandered on schools which are virtually empty.

Did the people asking how Shirley Bond missed this list read the article?
Wow - sorry for the repost, who woulda thought the blackberry would remember that all day lol
Bong......bong.....bong.............gone......

"The BCLiberals are doing what is necessary"

another brainwashed LIEberal spewing BS from the talking points of the LIEberals.

was selling BCR necessary? was splitting up BC Hydro necessary? is forcing BC hydro to buy from IPP at 2 and 3 times the rate necessary?

pat bell has done nothing for PG.

the LIEberals are doomed!!
HST will remove the PST people from the work force. Why would that be good for BC? We will have to pay a billion in severance to many provincial employees. There goes the big cash influx before we even get a chance to spend any of it on the debt. The debt is killing the economy by spresding like a virus. The feds, the provinces, then municipalities, lastly you and me. Everyone is in debt in this country and this habit will cause the total collapse of the economy. Look at the rest of the world right now and picture yourself paying 5 bucks a litre for gas. It isn't that far away and when it hits you'll hear me saying "I told you so".
Bell must be scared as he has sent out a flyer where in my opinion he is trying to justify what he has supposedly done..... he knows his number is up...bye bye Bell...lol
ski50...you have obviously done your homework and recognize the economic benefit to the province as a whole from the HST.

There is no question that Gordon Campbell misrepresented the entire issue to the people of BC. His handling of this issue has be horrible from day one.

However,anyone that suggests the answer is to remove the current government is very short sighted. Do you really believe that and governmnet would cancel the HST after July 1st? We know that won't happen! Take a look at the "Big Picture"


Interestingly enough everyone seems to have accepted that when one removes the internal cost of PST and externalizes it to a component of HST, that is the only approach to keeping the same income for operating the work of the government.

If the PST is bad for business on an interprovincial and international basis, then remove it. But, why tax all people the same, the low income as well as the high income? All buy burgers on occasion. A few cents more is more important to someone on a low income with 4 kids and a single professsional who earns $100,000/year.

Increase the provincial component of the income tax and be more equitable about getting money from those who can afford to pay for it, or has that notion been totally forgotten? Is it just so that government can say we are taxed the least of all provinces, which is, of course, far from the truth when all taxes and user fees are taken into account.
really i dont care if anyone makes the HST go away BUT scambell lied to us and the MLA's do what he says....this is not democracy...we elect people to Represent US the PEOPLE not to lie to us in order to line their own pockets.
I not only believe they should be recalled but that there should be criminal charges laid and the ringleader should lose his pension.

and I did vote so i can B**ch all i want
Okay, so you are the crown and you want ot lay criminal charges. The first thing you have to do is look at the evidence you have that the public was lied to so that you can determine whether you have a case that can be won rather than just spending tons of taxpayer money to run a trial.

Go ahead. Provide the evidence. Keep in mind that as you do that, that a request for disclosure of information regarding that issue turned up nothing.
Pat Bell and John Rustad must go not just because of the HST but because of what they are doing to B.C.'s public forests.

In a nutshell, Bell's and Rustad's agenda appears to be:
1. To end forest management of public lands by the public’s agent, the B.C. Forest Service;
2. To privatize a third of the forest birthright of British Columbians by putting public forests under long-term tenures (e.g., 99-year leases), which amounts to the same thing as privatization;
3. To allow corporations to replace natural forests with homogeneous, genetically-modified, fast-growing hybrid plantations;
4. To have the taxpayer subsidize these plantations by allowing the corporations to call these plantations carbon-offset projects eligible for selling carbon credits through, for example, the Pacific Carbon Trust funded by the taxpayer; and,
5. To have the taxpayer pay for the carbon sequestered and assume the high risk of plantation failure caused by forest health problems resulting from climate change.

Is this what British Columbians want done with their forests? To hand over their forests to corporations with no responsibility to manage for all values or for the public good?
Most major companies in BC export what they produce. They get export tax credits which offsets the HST they pay on inputs. So in effect these companies pay no tax at all. We have eliminated the

Manufacturing Sales Tax 13.5%
GST 5%
PST 7%

All since 1991. They are still whining and crying that they cant compete, and people are still beleiving their BS. Consumers are now paying all the taxes that business used to pay.

Because most of the products are exported, we will never get any of our money back in reduced prices because we dont buy what they export.

Cant you people figure out what the hell is going on here. Do you need a kindergarden teacher to explain it to you.

You are being bilked, pure and simple, screwed, blued, and tattooed.

This is a Corporate tax shift of humongus proportions.

What Pat Bell has done for the PG MacKenzie would make a very short list.

I dont suppose any of you Bell supporters would like to give us the list would you??

http://www.sanwatches.com/