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DBIA Stands For " Downtown Budget Isn't Approved"

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Monday, July 05, 2010 10:54 PM

Prince George, B.C.- The Downtown Business Improvement Association has failed to have its new business plan and budget approved by Prince George City Council and will have to do some more work before money  will flow their way.
 
The plan, and budget, were a total departure from the budget Council approved in December, and on which the bylaw setting up the collection of special fees from property owners in the downtown C-1 zone was based.
 
The revised spending plan calls for money to be spent on trying to attract new business to the downtown, a job that is already the responsibility of Initiatives Prince George.  Councillor Don Bassermann   said he recognizes the DBIA is into a “new era” and the people involved are eager to bring about change. He notes however, that he would like to have the new players clearly understand their role as outlined in the legislation. 
 
He also wants to know how much money was left over from the previous DBIA and how that money was spent.
 
The new plan drops the proposal to pay $100 thousand dollars for an executive director, and instead, that money would be used for a variety of projects, including $25 thousand this year and for each of the next two years, to have  “Let’s Get Started “ update seminars. The 2010 seminar has already been held so Council was in fact being asked to approve the expenditure of money that has already been spent.
 
There is also a line item for $20 thousand dollars to be spent this year to try and help the City land the 2015 Winter Games.  That is something Councillor Don Bassermann says may be a nice gesture, but he doesn’t think it is appropriate.
 
The new plan calls for a move out of the Initiatives Prince George Building into an as yet unnamed site which would mean the spending of $5 thousand to move, and a quadrupling of the rent from $3 thousand a year to $12 thousand a year.
 
Councillor Murry Krause  was very concerned about the targets for business recruitment, Specifically, he says he would not support the recruitment of a Chapters   when Books and Company “is one of the most successful book stores in all of B.C.” Councillor Brian Skakun disagreed saying it is not Council’s role to decide what kind of business is recruited.
 
While Councillor Don Bassermann wanted the budget brought back with more information on July 19th, Councillor Cameron Stolz expressed some concern about delaying the budget.
 
Councillor Dave Wilbur says recruitment of business is not, in his opinion within the mandate of the DBIA so he would not support part of the budget.  He proposed  the budget be approved with the exception of the two items in contention, but  that proposal was defeated.
 
The information to be brought back to Council will cover the following:
  • Appropriateness  as under the Community Charter, the expenditures of items 2 and 5 (recruitment funding of $30 thousand this year, and expenditure of $20 thousand for a concert to help land the 2015 Winter Games)
  • List of expenditures and benefitting vendors for the Let’s Get Started review
  • The amount left over from the previous DBIA and how that money was spent.
“We have a responsibility to those resources (residual funds) as well” says Bassermann who says calling for an administrative report and further information is not delaying the budget, it’s just asking for more information.
 
Mayor Dan Rogers says  the reason Council is where it is on this matter is because the  budget is totally different  from the one  initially approved.  
The funds to the DBIA normally are distributed in August.

 

 

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Krause is out of touch. Voyr that guy out of our council.
TOTAL WASTE OF TAX PAYER'S DOLLARS!!!
A budget for what?? Another study that results in more fancy brick and hanging baskets!!
How many DBIA's are in the North?? Why do Prince George City Council feel the need to support business taking care of business?
the Gateway BIA seems to be doing a good job. Downtown should follow the Gateway example.
Yes, a good example to follow is the gateway BIA.
I agree with Krause, why should taxpayer dollars be used to recruit something that would likely cause a local business to go bankrupt. Books and Company is fantastic. If Chapters want to come to town, great, but they shouldn't be enticed with tax dollars. That doesn't make any sense at all.
I agree with porter. However, B&C won't go bankrupt because they have a loyal fan base and can actually "help" you find what you want - Chapters, not so much!
Downtown BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT area.

How does one improve business?

We have seen that the following do not work:

1. changing one way streets to two way streets
2. removing traffic control lights and replacing them with stop signs
3. removing parking meters
4. hanging flower baskets
5. putting up led lit snow flakes
6. adding banners
7. adding blue coloured lamp posts, bollard lights
8. putting in wide sidewalks returns at intersection using pavers
9. removing canopies
10. having a hotel burn down
11. removing buildings and having banks build one storey extensions
12. removing buildings and replacing them with birch trees
13. removing retail businesses on the main floor of an office building and allowing offices to occupy the space
14. removing retail and replacing it with call centres
.... and I am sure that I forgot about a number of others .....

What does help is to have an organization that reresents the interests of downtown merchants to IMPROVE BUSINESS
oooops....... continued ..

to have a solid and sustained committment to a program that program that retains existing buinesses and recruits new buisinesses and understands what type of businesses will be interested in occupying downtown instead of other locations.

Anyone who thinks that is not one of the key methods used by shopping centres such as the Pine Centre to remain successful is out of touch with how such centres operate.
As far as Chapters going downtown. Not until one can show that they will do better there than at the Pine Centre or Box Store Heaven in CH. And that will not be for a long time.

One other thing. Protecting existing businesses by not doing something is just the opposite side of the coin of providing incentives for new buinesses that may compete with existing businesses.

Remember, the goal is to retain businesses and bring in new businesses, not to swap one for the other.

You know, in some parts of the world BIA Boards are appointed by Council. That is not how it works in this province. If Council wants more control, let them lobby the government to change the Act.
Sorry Gus but I think you are missing the point. IPG has the job of trying to recruit business. The DBIA is funded by the businesses within the C1 area. If I was a business paying into the DBIA I would not want that extra tax that I am paying going toward actively recruiting competition to my business. In fact, that seems like it could be a conflict between the member businesses within the DBIA. Marketing the downtown is one thing; actively recruiting specific businesses is not within the mandate of the DBIA and probably for good reasons.
$100,000 for an executive director. was that to be another job for an out of work unqualified freind of dan mclarens and hugh nicholson. (spirt of the north) Just what building would they move into??? can you say dan mclarens building as a posible site?? after all he needs the rent on that white elephant. Claims to be 65% rented. who are the new tenants? word is nothing has been rented. these guys are a total joke and an embarracement to the city. you do not bring you own selfserving rule book to the game.
Well put I heart, further the actual business are the ones paying the tax bill (through triple net) but, unless they also own the building they have no vote with the DBIA. Also the way leases are written, they have no choice but to stay. They can't just leave, so now they have a mandated tax and no vote on how that money gets spent.
As I posted before, in my view EVERYONE has the job of trying to recruit business for the downtown, including all those who post on here and have an interest in this issue.

IPG has been recruiting call centres. Call centres, as most of us said some time ago, are short lived projects. Contracts come and go. If those businesses are not rooted in long term agreements then they themselves have to keep busy recruiting projects for themselves, otherwise they are toast. Even the call centres operated by more stable organizations such a Telus come and go.

We are living at a time in which very few businesses have any sense of sustainability about them. Interestingly, the business of government, education and health primarily, can provide much better stability than most other “businesses”.

So, who else has IPG recruited? No one that I know of. Restaurants and nightclubs, of which there have been two recent additions and four (one just outside the DBIA) closings, are not relevant in my view. They come and go.

The largest increase may be the new medical offices. What has IPG done to recruit that “business“? Nothing that I am aware of. If they have, then they are not tooting their own horn enough.

Here is how a shopping centre works. Why am I bringing that up? Because the key reasons for the existence of BIA’s is to create an merchants association that can unify an area to work in a similar fashion to a shopping centre. The rent and the promotional component of the levy that shopping centre merchants pay go towards the owners costs including the costs of retaining and recruiting new merchants to fill the space that are left by vacating merchants. If a shopping centre is not as close to 100% full as possible, it is not providing the service to its existing merchants that it ought to. If it does not promote existing merchants to renew the décor of their premises every 5 or 10 years, and even cause them to be relocated on occasion, they are not providing interest to the centres customers.

The CH shopping plaza did an entire rebuild recently, for instance. IPG had nothing to do with that, downtown or not. Who paid for it? The merchants through their rent. Downtown merchants pay as little as $2 to $3 per square foot per year in rent. The average may be as high as $8 to $10. Very few will pay more than $15. Pine Centre is likely in the $35 and higher range depending on the size of the store. Parkwood is likely in the $25 range.

So, is it any wonder why we have crappy buildings downtown? Are the merchants there raking in the money because they pay so little rent? Of course not! They have less business! As they say, if you do not invest in your business, don’t expect any business. People will tire of it very quickly.

If the Pine Centre could not actively recruit specific businesses to round off there spectrum of merchants they woould be dead in the water and the businesses that were there would shortly leave. They have a Coles. DO you not think that the Pine Centre has been working to get Coles upgraded to a Chapters? Do you think that they would want Chapters to go as a stand alone in Box Store Heaven in College Heights as they have done in Kamloops?

Chapters is not in downtown Kelowna, Kamloops or Nanaimo. If someone can recruit Chapters into downtown PG, my hats off to them!!! They will be miracle workers in my eyes.

Porter ... that was the "old regime" that proposed that. The new regime has been very opposed to that. Please read the material presented to you in the orignal article and become familiar with the issues under discussion. It helps a lot. :-)
Sorry porter.... that was meant to be rattyboy ... :-)
I agree with the point you make, Porter. There should be a different system in place. The merchants should be the ones that have a major say in programs that are put in place by the DBIA. That is one of the major faults with the way DBIAs are operated. However, there is nothing to prevent DBIAs to operate in that fashion.
This community has just burried Paul Zanette, an individual who has been one to provide us with the most recetn images of what a downtonw PG could look like.

He was given the highest accolades in the media and by those who attended his funeral.

The images he presented were commissioned by some of those who are now sitting on the Board of the DBIA.

Why is it that there is so much infighting on the one hand and so much appreciation of the work of an individual and those who supported him on presenting those images? Is that not the kind of built environment we want there?

If not, then please let us know what it is that you want because I would sure like to know because it would help in my volunteer efforts.

The same goes with the outcome of the SGOG process. That version, Paul Zanette's version, and even the Centrum version of some 4 decades ago are not mutually exclusive.

Please, get rid of what I view to be petty differences because they will simply continue to divide the community. That will continue to be reflected in the appearance of our downtown.
Chapters is already in Prince George, as that company owns Coles, which is located in the Pine Centre Mall.