"Premier Campbell says the oil heading for China on the new line will do much to reduce the affects of green house gases in the world and BC needs to look closely at that."

If he said that about oil from the tar sands he is going senile to be sure. Where would he come up with a hair brained idea like that?

http://priceofoil.org/2010/06/25/clean-tar-sands-and-safe-deepwater-drilling-%E2%80%9Cmore-pr-than-reality

From that link:

"The industry’s PR response from Deepwater is shaping up nicely. This is the industry message:

We will give you improved safety and you give us resumed drilling. The Gulf of Mexico represents energy security and jobs for the boys to boot.

The tar sands of Canada also represent energy security, so if you let us build a 2,000 mile pipeline from northern Alberta to the US refineries, the Gulf and tar sands will give us guaranteed safe energy for generations. No more Middle Eastern wars for oil.

However, the problem for the industry is that a growing number of people are now opposed to both parts of the plan. Millions of affected people in America’s Gulf States do not want a repeat of the Deepwater disaster. And no none it seems – apart from the industry itself - believes the spin about dirty tar sands being part of any clean energy solution.

Adding to the debate, nearly 50 members of Congress have warned the State Department against agreeing to the 2,000-mile 12 billion Keystone XL pipeline, which would import up to 900,000 barrels of tar sands a day and double U.S. consumption of the controversial fuel source.

In a letter to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, nearly 50 members of the House of Representatives said the agency “must determine whether the project is in the national interest” in terms of “clean energy and climate change priorities” before agreeing to it."

Here is the link to the US Department of State which is handling the review process.
http://www.keystonepipeline-xl.state.gov/clientsite/keystonexl.nsf?Open

We are supplying the world with the dirtiest oil possible and most energy intensive production method there currently exists.

The premiers of the three western provinces have signed a deal to build facilities to sequester the CO2 that is released through the extraction process. Maybe that is what Campbell is referencing. Pie in the sky projects that will cost the taxpayers several billion $.

Yes, not the oil companies, not the pipeline builders ... the taxpayers.

http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2009/01/22/f-carbon-capture.html

Who can monitor the bouncing ball for us to tie all these things together. This is about much more than "our" pipeline. The project is multifaceted and nobody is looking at the big picture for us.

My goodness, is anyone still listening to Campbell's lies after his track record?
Proponents of this pipeline claim that it will provide energy security for Canada, but where is the "security" in sending a depleting resource overseas with a guarantee of continuing exports regardless of domestic needs?
Campbell cares not for our future needs as long as his favourite corporations get to gut the province. Watch for this man to retire from politics and find his soft landing on the boards of the same corporations he now shills for.

I'm SummerSoul and this is just SummerSoul's opinion.

Premier Campbell says the oil heading for China on the new line will do much to reduce the affects of green house gases in the world and BC needs to look closely at that.

Are we really reducing green house gases? My take is that all we are doing is exporting it to another country. We can then point our finger and say its not us that polluting its them. And the Tar Sands will just keep on rolling out their dirt.
Cheers

Heres a quote from a recent blog by Rafe Mair. rafe@rafeonline.com

During the May 2008 election I campaigned all around the province for the NDP (obviously didn�t do much good!) and was often asked how a former Socred Minister could do this.

The answer wasn�t too complimentary of the NDP as I would explain thusly:�The NDP might make a hell of a mess fiscally so that a new government will have to clean it up but here�s the point � fiscal mismanagement can be fixed by a new government but you can never get your rivers and your precious salmon back once they�ve been destroyed�.

Good bye Gordon Campell! We don't believe a word you say but we also believe that you are losingit!

I notice that the full page ads sponsored by Enbridge in the Citizen have all but dried up. I wonder how ex-mayor Colin and the Chambr of Commerce types will manage without thre mugs in these ads. Don't miss the spin a bit.

What I am wondering is if they did some planning for this scenario and, if so, whether they are activating it.

Is suspect it is to lie as low as possible and eek every possible good news story out of the cleanup process that does not speak about the actual impact.

As it says in the reports that are emerging, there were around 250 deficiencies and they had only dealt with about 20% of those. One of them was the deterioration of the section that burst.

They are a private corporation and they have the same problem of lack of maintenance on infrastructure that the public facilities have.

Surprise!!!

Chamber of what? Never heard of this Chamber of Commerce. Do we have one?

"My goodness, is anyone still listening to Campbell's lies after his track record?"

I would not call Campbell's possible statement (I have not yet been told where/when he said that) that "the oil heading for China on the new line will do much to reduce the affects of green house gases in the world" as a lie unless he believes the contrary to be true. If it is his belief, then he is not telling a lie.

As with us, he is allowed to have his own beliefs and opinions as do we.

In fact, he may be in a position to know more about it than most in BC. However, he is not in a position to know more than some people who are experts. So, I will more likely listen to experts than ANY politicians. When it comes to these matters, other than some privileged knowledge, they are just regurgitating what they learned from others.

On top of that, as premier and a very influential person his due diligence level and mine are quite a distance apart. He must be much more careful with his statements since the lives and livelihood of the entire province and beyond depend on his beliefs.

So, is he lying? I doubt it. Is he providing an objective, well informed opinion. Not likely. He does not have the time to inform himself adequately. Others do that.

How often does he call the Suzuki Foundation for advice rather than listening to the Howe Street crowd?

Do we know that kind of background on him? How does he inform himself? Does he listen to multiple opinions from various positions and how does he weigh one with another?

From what I can tell, he has not informed himself adequately.

Grow hemp, Solar and wind power at the same buildings. Get those battery and electric cars built and have them affordable and then I be proud.

I find it interesting that Campbell is suddenly worried about reducing greenhouse gases...

But I am more concerned with the trend where these big oil companies seem to be ignoring all the warning signs that trouble is coming.

There are numerous reports that BP and Enbridge both failed to take the actions necessary to stop these oil spills.

So why on earth should we let them continue to expand their companies into our province.

I seem to recall an earlier story that BP was looking into coal exploration in northern Canada. And Enbridge wants to create this huge pipeline.

They seem to want all the benefits, but none of the costs or responsibilities. And the environment and the local residents end up paying the price. But it does not matter to these big companies. They just sit back on their profits, and move on to the next big deal.

These days it seems like the more you mess up, the greater your chances of getting some type of buyout or bailout. Thanks for trying, here is your bonus check.

Or in this case, Enbridge would simply like another area to try another project, with the promise that:
they will try harder next time,
it wont happen again,
and on and on it goes......

Maybe you've seen the internet picture of the Exxon billboard that someone with skill on a computer and a wry sense of humour has modified by adding the caption in smaller print below the big "EXXON" logo ~ "Where's all the media when we don't spill something?"

Soon as the current furor dies down Enbridge will be as certain as the HST. It's already been decided it will be built, and no amount of gum-flapping at public hearings, protests, or whatever, will have the slightest effect on reversing that decision. We live a Province where we all dance to the tunes of Finance, and the money people want it built, just like they wanted the HST. It helps make THEIR system work.

"Another plane landed safely at YXS this morning and passengers getting off where dazed from the good fortune of not ending up in the morgue."

So a few more birds die, a few more fish die, a few more people die earlier than expected. That is life.

Right????

If yes, then why are we taking the care we are. Why bother?

If not, then how do we correct it? What is a tolerable limit? I do not think anyone has even indicated what that would be.

The simple question of
1. what is the value of a human life
2. what is the value of wildlife
3. what is the value of a running stream
4. what is the value of an undisturbed ocean
5. what is the value of un-compromised air
6. what is the cost of disturbing any of the above?

I do not recall any questions like that being addressed in impact assessments. Risk is spoken about in generalities. "The risk is too high". "The risk is reasonable". "The risk is unacceptable"

WHY?????? QUANTIFY IT!!!!

Don't get sucked into the greenhouse gas money making BS. As fo Suzuki he is making pretty good coin riding this GHG BS. Did you now mans contribution to all GHG gases is something like .35%. Yes have a clean enviroment but chasing C02 is a dead end except for governments using it for more power and control along with those getting very rich. Come on some of you people have to question the BS out there and see where its coming from.