Get bent Pat Bell. The time for debate was before you forced this on us. This won't save your job.

Reality check here Pat. This tax may give corporations a break but this break comes directly off the backs of those who elected you. I simply do not have $7/million board feet to give to the corporations that ideologically control your party. Once again the economy is here to support society, society is not to be used to support the economy!!! Greedy capitalists simply do not have the heart to put people ahead of money. Remember Pat "Thow shalt not have false Gods". Your parties greed and lust for money is a false God. I ask that the great many who have not learned this lesson give Cerberus a pat on the head when you are judged and sent down. Your going to need all the help you can get.

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By Anita Ward

You all seem to forget about all the good things that Pat Bell has done for British Columbia. You want to go back to the way things were? You need a reality check.

Say what you like Mr.Bell...you are done anyway!
It is long past the time when our "elected representatives" are reminded who put them where they are,and that their job is to LISTEN to those who elected them!
And no,Gordon Campbell will not be saving your self-serving, political a**!
Enjoy your fat pension Pat!...will you be paying HST on that?

Bell listen up cowboy, you work for us, what part of that do you not understand. Just who do you and your merry band of pirates tink you are.

Sorry opinionated. I'm not gonna let the threat of the old NDP stop me from helping kick Campbell and his cronies out on their butts. He can be arrogant on his own dime.

I think Pat Bell has done a very good job for our riding. My problem is with Mr. Campbell and they way he co-operated with Harper to drop this HST issue on us after the election.

His leader, that is where the buck stops!

It wasn't Pat who made the decision and it may very well be his belief that it will ultimately benefit the whole province as far as investment and job opportunities are concerned.

Voting in the Legislature and recall is the democratic way to settle this.

Pat says that the Liberals will have to work through this before the next election,. How does he figure they have that much time. Does he not understand the re-call process.,

If this legislation does not go to the floor of a house for a vote, or if it goes to the floor of the house and is voted down, or if it is sent back to Elections BC to go to a referendum, then the re-calls begin.

The agenda on the HST is now in the hands of the Citizens of BC, and if Mr. Bell thinks we are going to sit on our asses for a year while they bugger around with this tax, he is in for a big surprise.

Recalls will start in some of the Southern Ridings as early as January 2011 and if they are successful the Government could be fighting in a by election as early as April or May of 2011. So in fact he doesnt have any time at all.

The people have spoken. They want the tax recinded. The process for all intents and purposes is over. The Government either recinds the tax, or they fight the issue in Bye Elections (assuming that some recalls are successful).

The recall process and the Bye Elections will keep this issue front and centre all of 2011/12 and into 2013, when it will be an election issue. At that time Im sure that there will be a credible third party that will come forward with the gonads to kick this tax the hell out.

The Liberals had better do something with this tax now, or they will disapear into the sunset the same as the Mulrooney Conservatives did whey they brought in the GST to replace the 13.5% manufacturing tax.

Pat apparently doesnt yet understand that they have lost this issue, and that they have no wiggle room. No more BS and Bombasity, no more pomp and circumstance, no more humming, hawing, and making assinine statements, like, We didnt explain the tax very well.

As the old British Bobbys used to say.

**THE JIG IS UP**

Dont forget the anti HST Rally at Pat Bells office on Saturday the 25th of Sept at 10am. Anyone against this tax should show up. If enough people show up at the rally, maybe Pat will begin to get the message.

Have a nice day.

"It wasn't Pat who made the decision and it may very well be his belief that it will ultimately benefit the whole province as far as investment and job opportunities are concerned."

But he sure pounds the table in support and he'll do anything his boss tells him too, Shirley Bond is another one.

No disissions no speaking until the boss says so. They are ducks in a row and can't make their on call in case the boss fires their asses out.

"people are disappointed" are you sure Patty, I think that is the understatement of the year. The only trickle down effect there will be with the HST,from big business, will be right to your bleeping pockets.You government types are always trying to put a positive spin on something you're trying to screw us with.

Pat may have his faults but he works hard for us. This was not his idea and even if he disageed with the tax, he is well aware of how much help Paul Nettleton is to his constituents. Keep up the good work Pat!!

Pat may have his faults but he works hard for us. This was not his idea and even if he disageed with the tax, he is well aware of how much help Paul Nettleton is to his constituents. Keep up the good work Pat!!

They all got elected to do good work - they get paid good for it.
If they don't do good work, they have to go, that simple. And if we don't like the HST, they have to listen.
They represent us, that's what I understand under democracy.

If you listen to what Pat said then you can get a sense of how confused he is.

His statement is that there is some exaggeration at to what this tax will cost, and he is right. The Liberals would have you beleive that it will cost you very little when if fact it is a huge tax increase. From where Im sitting the Liberals are the exaggeraters.

He also refers to the discussions as being a healthy process. Seems to me that when ever there is a tax increase, no matter how much it is debated, at the end of the day we get the increase. How the hell can it be a healthy process, if one side always wins.

It doesnt matter how good, or bad Pat Bell or Shirley Bond are as MLA's, if they support this tax knowing that the majority of their constituents are opposed to it, then they are (and should be) subject to a recall.

Pat Bell as a Cabinet Minister earns in excess of $150,000.00 per year, plus expenses. I wouldnt be surprised if 1/3 of his earnings were tax free. In addition he will get one of the best pensions in Canada.

All I can say is that he better be doing a good job, thats what we are paying for.

Don't patronize Wendy's...
that will hurt his bottom line

I ate at Wendy's...once.

All the fist pounding, yet no one has offered an alternative to the HST... Here's a future headline for you: "HST rescinded due to public pressure - PST reinstated at 10.5 %"

Bow out Shirley and Pat.

I had some questions regarding all of the taxes on my gas bill, so I forwarded them to the CTBTaxQuestons@gov.bc.ca.

The BC Ministry of Finance responded to me today and told me that the HST was implemented and administered by the Federal Government and Canada Revenue Services. (not the Provincial Government)

So, my questions is this, why is the province taking all the heat, if it is actually the Feds and CRA responsible for the HST?

“Any of your export based industries do much better under an HST model than they do under a pst model. It translates into about $7 dollars a million board feet and it translates into a mill staying open or a mill closing and I will take those high paying mill jobs every time.

Just exactly how does exporting raw logs to China support our B.C. mill jobs Huh!
You can tell your boss he can stick that carbon tax where the sun never shines also!

interceptor says "HST rescinded due to public pressure- PST reinstated at 10.5%"

I thought this was a revenue neutral tax interceptor?

Do you also believe the Campbell Liberals are lieing to the people of BC about revenue neutral?

Why would the HST be rescinded and have to be replaced by a 10.5% PST if the HST was revenue Neutral, interceptor?

The bottom line, is that the Liberals are finished. Period. It's over for them. Bell and Bond are on their knees. But...

the NDP have yet to say what they will do about taxes if elected !!!

Time for a third party in BC...?? maybe..gasp...one that is honest???

Im sure that if there are a few successful recalls, that a third party will run in the by elections.

I doubt if the Provincial Conservatives have the legs to go anywhere, and therefore suspect the new kid on the block will be the BC 1st Party.

We havent heard much yet as to what this party represents, however I suspect that we will be hearing more before long.

A reasonable, centrist Party with the concerns of the Citizens of BC, along with a pledge to get rid of the HST, could become very successful in this Province, and they could kick the hell out of both the Liberals and NDP.

Hundreds of thousands of people in BC are just waiting for an opportunity to vote for anything other than those two parties.

As Winston Churchill (or someone) once said. No army in the world can stop an idea whose time has come.

The time has come for a viable third political party in BC.

Pat stands behind the biggest tax lie in recent BC History?

No wonder he's Vanderzalm's recall priority list.

At least Pat does something. How come no attacks om Silent Dick?

Healthy debate? What would be healthy is not lying to the voters of BC. It would have been healthy not taking BC from a have prov. to a have not prov. then blaming everyone else. It would have been healthier not running up the largest cost over runs in history on every big project the Liberals undertook. I could go on and on about all the wonderful things the Liberals and Pat have done for us but what is the point?
The Lib leader is a drunken liar, his cronies all brown nosers more interested in corporate welfare and their pensions than in the PEOPLE of BC.

Let's not forget Campbell's willing accomplice in this HST fiasco; the Liar in Chief, Stephen Harper!

"It would have been healthy not taking BC from a have prov. to a have not prov. then blaming everyone else."

That was an NDP accomplishment during the nineties: From #1 province to dead-last #10 and Have-NOT status!

How soon people seem to forget!

I'm starting to think that the poster "PrinceGeorge" is actually John Rustad in disguise. That would explain the constant living in denial that all of Campbell's other MLA's live in. It must be difficult to type when one's view is blocked by Gordo's posterior.

Pat Bell talks about it being good for business. What's good about a new tax that taxes your costs of employees by an additional 7% on your GROSS cost... and not on your net profits. How many marginally profitable service providers will go bankrupt and create greater unemployment because the BC liberal and federal conservative government wants to skin the cat before it has any profits to begin with?

If your business was labor intensive, then unless you had profits of 15% or greater last year, then you will be unable to stay in business under the HST in the province of BC. Its as simple as that... do the math.

So a resource company may see a small gain, but for the working people of this province they have just been handed a handicap to their productivity with an unjust take on their gross earnings. It makes BC completely uncompetitive as a place to employ people in service industries, much less what it costs us at the cash register.

Not only is this a BC liberal attack on our democracy, and an attack on our affordability of our after tax income, but it is an attack on the ability to employ people in the province of BC. How anyone can support this is beyond me.

The government wants the tax on your gross employee costs because this is guaranteed revenue ensuring they never have to cut government compensation and spending. If it was simply called an income tax (which HST is as the 'service' component) it would be called unjust because it is not progressive and is a tax even on those under the basic exemption level. If, however it was a tax only on the profitability of a company and not on the gross costs of the company (business income tax), then they would have to live within the means of the health of the economy.

The HST replacing the PST was an addition to a 'sales' tax (PST) to include a tax on 'services' (HST) which in effect is a tax on the gross cost of employing people. This is the reality of HST. Sales tax (PST) is a value added where the government got their share of a trade or economic flip... but HST goes after the gross cost of an employee and as such is an unjust and insidious attack on mostly small business with small margins... and as such will see a lot of people unemployed if they are on the value margins to begin with.

The only question left for the liberals is how do they plan to deal with all the unemployment that will result from the service sectors of our economy? How much will that cost us, and will the HST cover those costs?

Clearly the government needs to reduce its spending and compensation to get expenses in line with a taxation revenue that is fair to all involved.