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Report from Parliament's Hill - September 24th, 2010

By Prince George - Peace River M.P. Jay Hill

Friday, September 24, 2010 03:45 AM

One vote.  One MP.  15 years.  A couple of billion dollars.  Definitely far from priceless.

It was a blow to those of us who have been working since 1995 to bring down the wasteful and ineffective long-gun registry when Conservative MP Candice Hoeppner’s private members’ bill to finally put it out of its worthless existence was defeated in the House of Commons this week by a vote of 153-151.  A tie would have kept the legislation alive.


Yet in the end, the biggest blow was to the image of all politicians because a dozen or so opposition MPs decided – some forced by partisan coercion – to vote against their principles.  Some of those MPs, regardless of political affiliation, I have known for years as good, solid elected representatives. 

As much as I am disappointed that the registry will continue on, for now, to waste tax dollars under the deceitful claim of an “essential life-saving tool”, I feel for those MPs whose leaders turned what was supposed to be a free vote on private members legislation into an untenable choice.

And I only raise the following statement, sincerely, not to take a partisan snipe, but because it demonstrates the kind of cheap, misleading, illogical arguments that have consistently been used to fuel hysteria, mostly in urban, eastern Canada, that scrapping the gun registry will unleash a barrage of violence. 

Michael Ignatieff’s official spokesperson told the National Post that, “Candice Hoeppner thinks it's okay to get rid of the lifesaving gun registry, because in her mind, domestic violence committed with a firearm is a not a criminal activity."

The lowest moment in an already low point in Canadian democracy.

Despite the outcome, I applaud my colleague Ms. Hoeppner for her hard work in bringing the legislation, Bill C-391, this far, even in the face of personal attacks.  She handled it all with class, integrity and fearless determination.

I applaud Calgary Police Chief Rick Hanson for having the guts to put himself on national TV, eschewing the more politically-safe stance taken by many of his counterparts in other cities, to make a direct appeal to Canadians on why the long-gun registry should end.

Chief Hanson stood in front of a cache of guns seized on the streets of his city from the hands of criminals that the gun registry will never address.

I applaud the Globe and Mail, the National Post and the Sun newspapers, among other media outlets, for digging beneath the layer of deception and misinformation to report the truth.

The Globe put a bullet in claims by proponents of the registry that its annual cost is just $4-million, saying it sounded suspiciously like the “Big Lie” 15 years ago that the whole scheme would cost just $2-million. 

 And I applaud you, my constituents, for your unwavering support as my colleagues and I have fought this battle in Ottawa.  It is NOT over.  There will always be police officers like Chief Hanson and MPs like Ms. Hoeppner who will someday bring an end to one of the most wasteful, ineffective government programs ever devised.


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I disagree.

The lowest moment in Canadian politics was when Harper, out of fear of loosing power, lied to Canadians that loosing a confidence vote in parliament by the liberal/ndp/quebeqois alliance was treason.

The lowest moment in Canadian politics was when Harper ordered his government scientists to dummy up about global warming and the environmental impacts of the tar sands.

The lowest moment in Canadian politics was when Harper spent 2 billion dollars on an 8 day conference that could have been done over the damn internets.

So, we live in a democracy, right?

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/breakingnews/rcmp-report-supporting-gun-registry-had-little-impact-on-opinion-poll-103457704.html
OTTAWA - A new poll suggests an RCMP report that supported the long-gun registry had little impact on public opinion.
The Canadian Press Harris-Decima survey says that both before and after the release of the report, about 52 per cent of respondents said the registry does some good and should be kept.
Supporters tend to be people living east of Manitoba, although support has crept up to 50 per cent in British Columbia.
Oddly, 48 per cent of respondents said they don't believe that the registry has reduced gun crime.
The poll suggested a majority of Liberals, New Democrats and Bloc supporters support keeping the registry, with a majority of Tory supporters favouring abolition.
The survey, part of an omnibus telephone poll, was conducted Sept. 16-19 and is considered accurate to within plus or minus 3.1 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.
Most Canadians want the registry. Deal with it.

Right now I have 7 rifles. 3 registered and I guess I'll register the other 4 now. It's free. And here's why.

The american attitude towards firearms, and the one perpetrated by media, has resulted in a murder rate in the United States that is higher than France, Germany, Britain and Canada put together. It is, quite frankly, the reason I don't live there. There are more private, armed security guards employed in the US than police. Quite a polarized and fearfull society. Some conservatives want that fear here.

In my mind, why are we different is not as important as how do we keep that difference? How do Canadians, in spite of pressure from many sides, retain the politeness and concern for others that distinguishes us world wide? How do we keep our society from becoming the fearful, angry society that exists just south of us?

Gun crime is mostly committed by gang-banger types, quite often recent immigrants, with guns usually from south of the border. Agreed. The registry will do nothing to stop this supply.

Where the long gun registry does some good is most likely in reminding Canadians that we take guns, and crime with guns, seriously. I agree that we should add 8 years to the sentence of anyone committing a crime with a gun. But I don't have a problem with registering my guns. If, as the some are alleging, spousal murder is most often committed with long guns over handguns (yes, I know knives probably kill more, but registering knives is just plain silly) , then I don't have a problem with the cops taking away my guns till I cool down if I'm stupid enough to be a hot-head.

Yes, there is a burden placed on rural locations, but most of the hunters in the woods right now are from the lower mainland, we all know that. So I don't think its an unfair burden. And if it discourages casual gun ownership, great. You shouldn't own a gun casually, just like you shouldn't own a dangerous dog casually.

So, I want my children to grow up knowing Canadians take guns seriously. If enough of our kids do, then we will hopefully stop the demand. That is what the long gun registry has the greatest potential to do.

Remember, we aren't American, and have valued the presence of law, order and good government much higher than those south of us. We didn't have a 'wild west'. I don't want one. Those who are adamantly against the registry are probably individualists who have enough confidence in themselves that they wouldn't mind one.

Yes, the government didn't get the registry quite right. But they didn't get it wrong either. Harper is against making the registry better, simply to play us against one another.

And quit letting Harper play us for fools by distracting you from what's really important – remember the HST was his damn idea – Campbell just plays along.
apoliticalgeek I take what you have said with a grain of salt because of this statement "The lowest moment in Canadian politics was when Harper ordered his government scientists to dummy up about global warming and the environmental impacts of the tar sands."

I see you know nothing of this subject so therefore extrapolate that into the rest of your article.
How can a Item suddenly come alive and kill you, it is You who does the Crime, don't blame the Tools for it and there are many Tools, starting with a simple Rock!

yes a rock and guns are comparable in this matter. way to raise the level of discourse.
"...to waste tax dollars under the deceitful claim of an “essential life-saving tool”, ..."

Well, that's a good one! Police, RCMP, doctors, nurses...they are all guilty of deception when they speak out in favour of keeping the registry alive?



I rarely,if ever,agree with Jay Hill.
Actually,I don't have much use for his brand of kiss-your-leader,elitist politics but, this time he is at least partly right.
(wow..I just gagged!)
There are a lot of dead polticians walking in Ottawa right now,they just haven't figured that out yet.
Their arrogance is astounding, and it is a pretty safe bet they are going to pay for it at the polls!
This what happens when they listen to their self-serving leaders, rather than those who elected them.
Seriously,why would any supposedly intelligent man or woman listen to the likes of Micheal Ignatieff or Jack Layton?
(oh hell..I will throw Steven Harper in there too,but ya gotta dance with the one ya brung!)
What these MP's did was commit a huge political faux pas!
In case they didn't notice,canadians have had enough of polticians on all levels, who simply do not listen!
They think they don't have to...but they do!
They are about to find that out,because canadians have had enough of their childish games!
This WILL be remembered at the polls!
so many pollsters on this site.
Who owns the media? Don't think for one second that the opinion of the RCMP don't have an effect on those who are unable to decide for themselves. What a bunch of crap. Media affects everything and everyone. That is why those who control the airwaves control the information and the behavior of those who hear it. Most are led, few are leaders.

It's so easy to criticize Mr. Harper and the decisions he has made if you disagree with him. And that is perfectly ok with me.

However, take a closer look at Mr. Michael Ignatieff and Mr. Jack Layton and tell me why you would be so thrilled with them as your Prime Minister. Boy, do you have a lot of convincing to do. Their behavior, attitudes, and performance have been a joke to say the least. So, before you want to run the PM out of office, you better have more suitable candidates running. I don't believe these two measure up at all.

Shame on those MP's who didn't have the courage to stand behind their constituients or their own personal opinions. This is an example of how they will continue to represent you in the future. I refuse to vote for anyone who will not take an unpopular stand if that is the wishes of the voters who provided their job. Like it or not, Prime Minister Harper does that.
to sum it up chester,
sharing your opinion = good leader, not sharing your opinion = bad leader.
to sum it up...

We have a Possession and Acquisition license that is required by everyone who wishes to own a gun... it takes nearly 6-months to get a license with all the police background checks and mandatory training course required.

Registering a long gun or not registering a long gun will never change that fact. A fact that is never reported.

Another fact is that it is people that kill and not the gun on its own. The gun is a tool with no mind of its own.

If we don't want bad people to have guns, then we have a licensing system that works well at that already. If they violate the licensing system and have guns without a license then we can already throw the book at them.

Another fact is that a cop that relies on his or her safety by checking the register to determine their own actions... will likely be a dead cop someday because criminals that use guns won't have them registered anyways. So essentially lets be honest about the gun registry and call it for what it is... a police state tool to suppress the civilian population with gun confiscation in the event of a police state powers being enacted... an enabler legislation for future police state operations. All other arguments do not bear out in fact.

If it was my private members bill I would tie to the abolishment of the gun registry the minimum sentence of five years in jail for possession without a required PAL. Lets crack down on those who are not licensed to have a gun legally, and not on legal law abiding citizens with legislation targeted at law abiding citizens for the enablement of a future police state.