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Parents Concerned Over Mega Schools

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Wednesday, September 29, 2010 03:51 AM

Prince George, B.C. – The District Parent Advisory Council has put the  Board of Education for School District 57 on notice that it will be hearing a  lot about “economies of scale” over the  school year.

In a brief presentation to the Board last night,  DPAC  President Don Sabo  said  the closure of small  schools has meant the development of  mega- schools “If you have a school of 200 students and are  paying a  principal $85 thousand a year,  it costs 425 dollars per student, but if you have that same principal in a school with 300 students, the cost per student is reduced, that is  what we call economies of scale.”

He says parents have a lot of concerns about the mega schools,  and  says  based on  enrolment information from last year,  School District 57 now has the largest  elementary school outside of the lower mainland.

Some parents have already expressed concern over  the number of   vehicles  dropping off and picking up students at Heather Park.  In the first  days of  school this fall ,  parents described a chaotic scene at that  school with too many vehicles and hundreds of parents and children.


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Well, open your eyes. Most cities in the rest of the world has schools with 5000 students in them. The days of little Johny being able to walk to schools are probably going to be gone in the next 10 years.

The Mega schools will begin. Where k,1,2and 3 will be gathered up into 4 locations and thats it. Than the 4,5,6 will be gathered up similarily. There may be a middle school structure of 7,8,9. Than the high schools of 10,11,12 and 13.

Yep you read it correctly, Grade 13.

Don't be surprised if in Grade 10, the kids are split to go to either Basic genral, trades, or post secondary transfers
To quote the great Judge Smales - "Well the world needs ditch diggers too, son"

I think He Spoke is right, learning trades in school is coming.
To quote the great Judge Smales - "Well the world needs ditch diggers too, son"

I think He Spoke is right, learning trades in school is coming.
"parents described a chaotic scene " if 1/2 of the idiots that are there would stop sitting and talking on there phone or the other 1/2 talking with their friends, and got the heck out of the way..the area would be fine.He spoke is right...times are a changing. wake up. Everyone one wants everything but they don't want to pay the cost.
Ever heard of car pooling? Get with it! Times have changed. o-wise-one is right...too many parents visiting. Drop the kids off & get the heck out of there. Here's a novel idea, why not drop them a block or two earlier and let them walk a bit. It'll wake them up, give 'em some fresh air and some well deserved exercise. The kids got it too easy these days. I used to walk a mile each way (in my father's pajamas and up hill...haha)
Ontario was the last province to abolish grade 13 some years ago, so why would BC put it back in place? And trust me, when it comes to math, English, and sciences, we are already channeling students into distinct academic trajectories, based on demonstrated skills more than anything. How many of you folks demonstrated what you were truly capable of back when you were in high school?
As for needing ditch diggers? We've got equipment a trained ape can learn to run that dig a lot more ditches than any human ever could.
Experts, eh?
"If you have a school of 200 students and are paying a principal $85 thousand a year, it costs 425 dollars per student, but if you have that same principal in a school with 300 students, the cost per student is reduced, that is what we call economies of scale"

Totally wrong assumption.

The above statement assumes 1 principal per school rather than 200 students per principal.

If it were 200 students per principal, a 300 student school would require a vice principal or some other type of assistant.

A job analysis is required to understand the duties of a principal and the length of time it takes to do those duties along with options of adding assistants which can increase the span of the management duties.

I could imagine that a principal could be in one elementary school in the morning and another in the same vicinity in the afternoon, as a for instance. I could also imagine that in a small high school case, the principal could teach a course or two. I suppose union agreements would not allow that at the moment.

BTW, it is not only the principal's salary and benefits which cost more per student for a smaller school, it is her assistants, school maintenance, capital cost since the space per student increases with smaller school populations.

Function is most important, not cost. If a less expensive operation is a dysfunctional operation, all the cost savings in the world are going to be counterproductive.

Efficiency without effectiveness is simply unacceptable.
"Most cities in the rest of the world has schools with 5000 students in them."

If you really mean 5,000 instead of 500, then please name one and identify the school.
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"The days of little Johny being able to walk to schools are probably going to be gone in the next 10 years."

You assume a continuation of the sprawl we have in North America. We might actually have some of the opposite happening. There might be more schools available in some larger cities that one takes an elevator to.
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"The Mega schools will begin. Where k,1,2and 3 will be gathered up into 4 locations and thats it. Than the 4,5,6 will be gathered up similarily. There may be a middle school structure of 7,8,9. Than the high schools of 10,11,12 and 13."

I would say that is poor planning from a demographic point of view. I have lived in the same house for some 30 years. Why should my child have to go to 4 different schools in 4 different locations in the city?

Your scenario would have a total of 4x4=16 schools.

I suggest that a model with all grades in a school would be more reasonable. Make it 8 schools or even 12 and costs would go down right there and the distance to travel will be constant for those who don't flip houses all the time.
Cedars is setup that way...grade one right thru to twelve & it works for them.
I would never call a Backhoe Operator a trained "APE", to do it right is a skill my friend witch some of you Academics never could master, I watched many to do a great Job "Krusty". I pay him any time a few hundred Bucks to do a Job for me(even if he is no " trained APE")
I would like to see students graduate with a trade under their belt. (Those that chose to do so) Grades 11 and 12 should be reserved for that. I disagree with 13 years of education and turning around to spend more years learning a trade. My son started his lst year of welding in the last half of grade 11 at cnc and completed it during the first half of grade 12. At least he graduated with one year under his belt. He then only had one more year to complete and had his level c welding. Enough to get him into the workforce with a skill..
We waste too much time and money on useless teachings and not enough on real life skills.
Just my rant....
That's what happened in the fifties(Vic High in Edmonton had 1500 grade tens alone when I attended in 1958)--they built BIG schools and then later dicided that big schools were turning out robots so, they started building smaller schools in all neigborhoods. Here we go round the mullberry bush. It has all happened before and the smaller schools give students a better and broader education.