i wonder how they are going to get all this fuel from A to B? interesting,could it be a pipeline or more tankers on the road?
just curious.

Can we rename the Alberta oil sands and call it a "fuel farm?" I love the English language!

Anyone hear about an aircraft having landing problems at the PG Airport about 15 minutes ago?

Jazz?
West Jet?

You guys just don't get it.
There are no airplanes waiting to use that cashless cow of a runway you built.
Tjhus there are no dire needs for fuel either.

Unless you are paying them to land and giving free fuel away, which I believe you did with the last few landings we had, they aren't going to come any time soon. It doen't make any sense for them to start stopping here when their air routes have been set for so long.

That only works in baseball I am told....
Build it an they will come

No story here would be complete without the usual naysayers' stuff, including those whose authors obviously did not take the time to read the whole story before hammering away at the keyboard!

Seems they dont get into to much detail, however I suspect that what we have here is an expanded rail unloading facility on the PG Pulp Mill road with increased trucking capacity to service the North Western part of the Province with Jet Fuel.

I would guess that the fuel will be shipped by rail from Alberta to Prince George for distribution.

Unless they come up with more planes landing in Pr George they will not increase the amount of fuel being used.

Its much like the Containers loaded to Prince Rupert. On the surface it looks like there is additional business, however when you consider that there has been no increase in production at the local sawmills or pulp mills, then it is abvious that it is the same production going to a different port via container rather than truck or rail to Vancouver.

Finding a different way to do the same thing, with no increases in production or jobs, is not exactly growth.

Lets hear something firm about Airlines contracting to land and fuel in Prince George, and also something specific as to Cargo handling facilities etc;

Palupo wrote "Seems they dont get into to much detail, however I suspect that what we have here is an expanded rail unloading facility on the PG Pulp Mill road"

From the story "Local company, Sands Bulk Transport, has taken the first steps in developing a fuel farm adjacent to the north-end fuelling apron of the Prince George Airport."

Dont let your hatred of the airport get in the way of simple little details...

No increase in production at the local pulpmill??? Are you kidding me? We have been running flat out for at least 2 years now and breaking production record one after the other. Pulp is around $990/ton or better. Northwood is netting around $40k/hr right now. You need to do some research before actually writing anything.

Interceptor. Your zeal to jump on an issue and prove me wrong or anti airport doesnt allow you enough time to read the story, or what I said.

If you try again, you will note that the story also makes reference to **an off airport rail terminal facility which has been recently completed***

This tells me that the jet fuel will be railed into Pr George and trucked to the storage site being built at the North End of the Airport. I suspect that in the end it will be used more by West Jet than by anyone else, however we will have to wait and see.

The problem is that even if you did get some jets to land and fuel, it would generate very few jobs, and no revenue for the Airport except a landing and take off fee which would run around $1200.00 per plane per landing. The oil companies would make the money on the fuel.

In order to make any money or to create any jobs of any significance you would need hundreds of planes landing every week. Lots of luck on that one.

So either we are wasting more money on the airport, or they have something in the pipeline for more aircraft landing and are not letting the public know.

Fire them all..

I can recall that a long haul plane landed at PG and had to wait 3 times as long to get refueled here as it would take at a fully established international airport. An improvement in refueling times will be a huge step towards the airport becoming a competitor on the international market. This is actually a major story in regards to the airport's development.

Options ..... they are providing options ....

Options will more often than not improve the way business can adjust its way of doing business, whether for emergency and short term situations or longer terms.

In order for the first nibble to happen one needs more than a runway. Anyone who thought that was all that was needed certainly have not thought it through.

I can recall that a long haul plane landed at PG and had to wait 3 times as long to get refueled here as it would take at a fully established international airport. An improvement in refueling times will be a huge step towards the airport becoming a competitor on the international market. This is actually a major story in regards to the airport's development.

The tanking of the world economy dropped air cargo more than half. That happened while the runway was being expanded. Air cargo is recovering. It is not just about fueling but also cargo handling. We have rail and road connections to all of North America which will facilitate cargo handling once the infrastructure is built.
It is much cheaper to ship by surface but much faster by air so the trade off is speed or cost depending on the cargo.

There is cargo that is time stamped to be delivered as fast as possible. Then there is cargo needing delivery faster than the weeks on a ship but can be transfered to cheaper surface once over the ocean.

Some aircraft do not have the range and need to fuel coming and going across the ocean.
Once the infrstructure is in they will come but it will be a cost battle with Ankorage.

It is reported today that the company will spend $2million on putting the facility in at the airport. Apparently enough for 6 jets.

Who is paying for this? If it is Sands Bulk transport then they must have looked at the future and decided it was worth the expenditure.

"I suspect that what we have here is an expanded rail unloading facility on the PG Pulp Mill road"

According to the news, it is Sands Bulk Transport that is building the facility at the airport. Perhaps an above ground series of tanks. They are located in the BCR, so would likely use the rail link at that point. I would also gather that it means that it will not come from the local refinery, even though I think they do refine aviation fuel as well.

Yes, seamutt. They must have done that alright. That, in itself, is a BIG story since it is not public money.

Must be because of the HST. :-)

Gus. There is no jet fuel refined at the Husky Refinery.

Sands also has property and rail unloading facilities adjacent to the Husky Refinery on Pulp Mill Road. They are in the process of upgrading their rail unloading and tanker truck facilities. They are located in the BC Rail North Yard, Now CN Yard. I suspect they could locate and truck from both facilities if they choose to.

Now for the nitty gritty. The Airport Authority ***hopes*** to attract some Cargo Jets once these facilities are in place. Gotta love that word **hope**.

Why would Sands establish storage facilities at the Airport that will cost them $2 Million based on the **hopes** that some planes might land. The truth of the matter is they (nor any other business) would not. So there must be something else going on.

I suspect that Sands got a sweetheart deal on setting up the storage and distribution system at the North End of the Airport property and they will use it for their own business purposes into the future. If and when some Cargo Planes start landing in Prince George they will then switch some of the storage facilities over to service the Airlines. If no Airlines use the Airport they will still have the storage facilities to service Airlines and planes in North Central British Columbia.

One would have to be privy to the agreement between the Airport and Sands to actually understand what is happening here. Whats the chance of that happening????