Get the woman killer off of the streets!

Agreed Munica! With this report and the air quality report its no wonder people are not moving here.

Alas! If only they could find the killer within an hour not counting the commercials.

Yeah. Something to be proud of, Constable Smith...

We're number one! We're number one!

squirrel nuts lol gotta love that name

Amazing SPIN by Lesley Smith. Certainly all communities would be reporting crimes as well. Statistically, this is a fact!

To Ben and Opinion250..... Your article should have had a balanced view and pointed out that this is NOT A GOOD NEWS story but is a sign of the gangs taking over Prince George!!!!!




Here is her quotes:
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That, says RCMP spokesperson Lesley Smith, is a good thing. “The rankings are developed on a call volume, and MacLeans is doing a gang spin on the stats, so this tells me the community is engaged and is making those calls to police.”

She says the numbers also show the Police are making progress because of the number of charges laid, the weapons and drugs seized. “Am I making this into a good news story? Absolutely!” says Constable Smith.

Only in PG could this be spun into a positive story, LOL. Sure these stats can be interpreted a bunch of different ways, but let's face reality here folks. Our city is becoming a gang haven and a cess pool of criminal activity, much of the rather "obvious" and "street level" type. We have huge grow op issues, organized crime groups, street thugs everywhere and a whole pile of naive parents.

But hey, the next time you hear of someone getting murdered, gang raped, drugged at a bar and raped or just plain sacked upside the head with a bat, you can be happy that people are reporting it! Seriously RCMP, I would rather see a rather frank "we know it's an issue and here's our plan" than the reaction noted above.

Leslie, have you ever thought of going in to politics, there is a seat open right now, you would win hands down!
Everything is a numbers game and yeah, the boys and girls at our local detachment are making progress, just wonder if they've got the money to keep the pressure on. But with the HA having a billion dollar budget and the Mounties with a few paltry million, its no wonder we can't wipe the gangs right out.
We do need more of the public to participate in notifying police of gang activity, and if all those idiots who use cocaine would turn in their suppliers and turn off the use, wow, what a difference that would make.With all the laws in place, those people that keep complaining that they're not shutting this or that drug house down gotta understand, criminals don't have to contend with laws that frustrate police in getting search and arrest warrants.
I know, wishful thinking.

Leslie Smith, want a bunch of BS. The stats, however they were done by MacLean's Magazine, were done the same for each city. Slice the pie which ever way you want, Prince George is one bad assed city, and they got the biggest slice of the pie.

It only took Prince George 2 or 3 years to pass Regina (the place where our cops are born). Winnipeg was in the race, but apparently they have fallen back. Where is Saskatoon on the chart, they were right in there to a few years back.

What you got to say about that Ms. Smith? Head out and impound another car for speeding!!! Yep, that will bring the crime rate down. What a bunch of fools you are!!

To be fair to the RCMP, I don't think that PG can be considered to have a high crime rate by most standards. That is, we don't live in fear here. You can walk around just about anywhere even at night and not be very worried about being attacked or robbed. That isn't true in a lot of other places. So whether it is a high reporting rate or actually a high crime rate, what drives it up is the gangs, which mostly bother each other. It doesn't affect the rest of us much.

billposer, you should ask a taxi driver about that. Most people have not a clue what goes on outside of their quiet little block in their neighbourhood.

"You can walk around just about anywhere even at night and not be very worried about being attacked or robbed."

You're living in a dream world. Watch the news and read the paper.

OMG, more bad press for PG...if it's not bad air it's crime rates...I'm really sick of it. Where I work there is a lot of new people who have moved to PG, who are coming here and most of them absolutely love it here...easy commuting, very friendly, great outdoor activities etc. Why is that NEVER mentioned???

Taxinahole is right. If this is based on the number of calls to the police, then it is probably correct. Someone here sees a kid with a cap gun and calls the police?? Then the police take it away from him because it looks too real. Typical paranoia in PG. Lets face it we share PG with an over abundance of dysfunctionally unworldly types of people. They have led excessively sheltered lives and are perplexed at the very notion of firearms ownership. They are most often those who have been born into considerable wealth and is prevalent in the clergy, academicians, practioners of the arts; those in a safe and pampering environment. Their extreme naivety makes them easy prey for tyrants who use them for financial support and favorable advertisment of their regimes. The anti-gun movement is well represented and financed by the dysfunctionally unworldly. Soon they will be the only types left in Prince George and they can keep their little,beautifully controlled policed state and I will be with 'real' people somewhere else living a 'real' life in the real world.

Hey we are number one with what is going to be crime fighting money wasted on a fancy cop shop. To the idiots running this town give your collective heads a shake.

maybe, we need to deal with the people that the RCMP has under the magic file name "Known to Police". We keep letting them off the hook.... oh but you have to double promise to come back on court date.

Don't even bring them back to the cop shop, beat the crap out of them, and drop them off at emergency.

Big crimes and drug lords need to rely on the little guys to feed them. Thus the little guys that get busted for trafficking, start collecting them off the streets. The users, if they get caught stealing, do it like they do in the Muslim countries, thieves get their fingers removed.

Barbaric, yes, but it is effective. The theives may do it a few times. but they need digits too.

Yeah sure thing supertech. I'm sure our crime stats can be attributed to a doctor or university professor mistaking a 9 year old with a birght orange handgun for a dude with tatoo's all over his body collecting on a drug debt. Wow, LOL.

They will learn especially fast if you start with their thumbs, and then work your way from the index..

Try completing tasks with your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th fingers only.

Some of you people are hilariously stupid.

Look anywhere else I would be chewed and spit out. At least here I have a sense of community and belonging. You know instead of making the pitch to keep grow ops out why don't the federal government just change the laws and we won't need to spend all this money to build a new police station to hold grow op stuff. Seems to me the police are just wanting more money for their own agenda. As for crime well that isn't going to change anytime soon it's life.

Is it my aging memory or "Did the Conservatives and Mr. Harper not promise tougher laws?".

The fact of the matter is criminals will go to where business is easy. If we, as a country and society stop being bleeding hearts (Remember P.E.Trudeau) and change and really enforce the laws, then organized crime would move elsewhere --- it is a very simple and proven principle.

Or are the gangs inside our justice and legal system, ensuring that this does happen? We wonder??

There are a lot of people missing fingers that lost them trying to earn an honest living. Don't label them as thieves. Start with the toes!!

the murder rate ranking

PRINCE GEORGE, is number 42 and sits -24.89% below the national average.

So we are less likely to be murdered here than in 40 other cities out of 100.


PORT COQUITLAM, B.C. * 59,732 364.70 1
EDMONTON 763,732 132.61 2
WINNIPEG 653,733 120.79 3
SASKATOON 206,365 115.21 4
VANCOUVER 609,785 100.29 5
CALGARY 1,038,481 87.10 6
SURREY, B.C. 425,428 82.69 7
HALIFAX 215,830 80.05 8
TORONTO 2,651,717 75.86 9
TROIS-RIVIÈRES, QUE. 127,190 74.59 10
NEW WESTMINSTER, B.C. 64,161 73.05 11
LANGLEY TOWNSHIP, B.C. 100,591 65.57 12
STORMONT/DUNDAS/GLENGARRY, ONT. 67,113 65.44 13
SAINT-JÉRÔME, QUE. 67,600 64.25 14
SAINT JOHN, N.B. 69,357 60.09 15
CHILLIWACK, B.C. 72,491 53.16 16
REGINA 183,540 51.23 17
SARNIA, ONT. 74,253 49.53 18
MAPLE RIDGE, B.C. 76,267 45.58 19
SUDBURY, ONT. 162,438 36.70 20
LETHBRIDGE, ALTA. 82,146 35.16 21
MONTREAL 1,871,846 21.60 22
BARRIE, ONT. 139,298 19.56 23
HURONIA WEST, ONT. 51,263 8.29 24
KELOWNA, B.C. (Rural) 51,560 7.67 25
STRATHCONA COUNTY, ALTA. 51,940 6.88 26
HAMILTON 519,741 6.81 27
CODIAC REGION, N.B. 104,650 6.10 28
FREDERICTON 52,339 6.07 29
TRACADIE-SHEILA, N.B. 54,869 1.18 30
WINDSOR, ONT. 220,569 0.68 31
BURNABY, B.C. 221,856 0.09 32
KELOWNA, B.C. 113,109 -1.84 33
THUNDER BAY, ONT. 114,286 -2.85 34
JOLIETTE RÉGIE INTERMUN., QUE. 59,763 -7.11 35
OTTAWA 846,169 -8.15 36
ARTHABASKA MRC, QUE. 67,618 -17.90 37
WATERLOO REGION, ONT. 496,370 -21.71 38
LONDON, ONT. 362,561 -23.44 39
CALEDON, ONT. 73,877 -24.85 40
PRINCE GEORGE, B.C. 73,911 -24.89 41

The tale of two cities

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PRINCE GEORGE
Sexual assault = 2nd
Motor Vehicle theft = 2nd
B&E = 3rd
Aggravated assault = 5th
Robbery = 13th
Murder = 41
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EDMONTON
Murder = 2nd
Aggravated assault = 3rd
Robbery = 5th
Motor Vehicle theft = 5th
Sexual assault = 19th
B&E = 26th
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It is the west and it is the north. Neanderthals at their finest. We see it right here on this site all the time.

There are some major errors with the Maclean's version of applying the stats. Useless to explain on here because few would understand it. Smith has pointed one cause for an inequity, but has explained the common anomaly very poorly.
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Think about this. BC has 13 cities in the top 25 of 100 cities in Canada.

PRINCE GEORGE, B.C. 73911 126.95% 4
VANCOUVER 609785 71.50% 8
SURREY, B.C. 425428 70.08% 9
VICTORIA, B.C. 95477 65.70% 10
PORT COQUITLAM, B.C. 59732 60.99% 11
NEW WESTMINSTER, B.C. 64161 60.09% 12
KAMLOOPS, B.C. 83527 54.16% 13
BURNABY, B.C. 221856 43.11% 16
KELOWNA, B.C. 113109 32.86% 19
NANAIMO, B.C. 83648 28.61% 21
ABBOTSFORD, B.C. 135253 27.25% 22
MAPLE RIDGE, B.C. 76267 23.85% 23
LANGLEY TOWNSHIP, B.C. 100591 22.79% 25

What do most if not all have in common?
RCMP as provincial police.
RCMP as city police.

RCMP are tyically the provincial police force in the west while Ontario and Quebec have their own forces both provincially and municipally. The have among the lowest crime rates.

Is it something in the water, or the genes, or the enforcement, or the justice system?

Worth exploring?

From Halifax
http://libwiki.mcmaster.ca/geo2ui3-section8/index.php/Main/UrbanProblemsAndResponses

"Municipal officials, police forces and citizens are concerned about crime in Halifax as it is a threat to their safety and security as well as a THREAT TO THE ECONOMIC SURVIVAL OF THE CITY if it is perceived that Halifax community is a dangerous place to visit, invest and conduct business."

"According to the Halifax Regional Police Services, the higher than average crime statistics for the city can be attributed to the fact that : Halifax is a port city, it has a HIGHER THAN AVERAGE STUDENT POPULATION, a large number of drinking establishments in the core of the city and as well as illegal drug and LEGALIZED GAMING ISSUES."

Obviously we need to get rid of UNBC, CNC, and the CASINO.

Cops are too busy impounding vehicles to look after real crime.

i agree ive lived in alot of places,and pg has the most friendliest people by far !!!!!!!screw the reports,and try living in t.o or van,or winnepeg etc... yea get back to me !!

gus wrote...

"What do most if not all have in common?
...RCMP as city police."

Vancouver, Victoria, Abbotsford, and New West. all have city police. That does not seem to have helped them.

Yes and then you all woke up! All the positive thoughts and feelings about Prince George is warm and fuzzy but there are still women missing and high crime.

Maybe next time the mayor and entourage go to China on a trade mission, they could ask the Chinese for some advice on how to deal with crime. Apparently their system has a short trial time, a harsh prison time, and a lack of concern if they get it wrong.

Or, and this is a novel concept, the mayor and entourage could stay home, and use the money to supply the police with more tools.

Personally, I don't find PG a dangerous place for the average citizen. But I spend my nights at home - not at the clubs and wandering the streets late at night.

No wonder we are number one, there is not support for p[olice in this town. At any given time, there are at least 20 firefighters on on the night shift in this town, but for police, their minimum is 10 constables! And if you talk with them, it is quite often that they have to work at the minimums, and why? Because the city does not supply any more money for more police. Wouldn't it be nice if those 20 firefighters who answer to, lets be generous, 10 calls per shift, would do as much work as the police. There was a stat out not too long ago that police responded to over 150 calls in a single 24 hour period this summer! Yikes! Now this is not intended to slam the firefighters, they are damn hard workers and truly good people.

So if you want the crime stats down, you have to help. Gangs run rampant because the courts are going easy on them, but if the police had the resources to do higher level busts they would. Instead they are flooded with domestics, loud parties, suspicious persons, erratic drivers! I asked a cop once why he just didn't ignore the small things and concentrate on the big things and he told me they are not allowed to. They have to investigate every call that comes in, no matter how small or trivial. Makes me think twice about calling the police just so I don't overburden them with some trivial problem I have.

Get it together people. Blame the cops all you want, but realize it is your problem to shoulder. If you want something done, ask for more cops, and think twice about calling them when fluffy is stuck in the tree.

Its a sad state of affairs for sure. Sexual assault and aggravated assault? What happened to the PG I grew up in? Fights sure, but that was about it. The real question is how much more property tax are we willing to pay for safer streets for our children and families?

I think the comment that Leslie Smith made about it being a good sign that they are getting more crimes reported pertains to the high number of sexual assaults reported.

Sexual assault is a crime that is typically perpetrated by someone the victim knows and they are less likely to report the crime. Having a high number reported is usually a pretty good indicator that the support and education for victims of sexual assault is encouraging them to call the police rather then blaming themselves and just living with it.

The real question is how can the taxes that are collected be administered in a more effective way, to put more money into the things we really need instead of fluff and handouts. Whenever a renovation takes place, a clean up is necessary BEFORE the finishing touches can be implemented.

Smith is just stating what she is being told to say by her superiors. Truth is: the crime being reported in pg is the iceberg effect: what you and I and the police know about is just a small portion of what is actually going on.

One only needs to travel the country and the comment section of 250 to see what PG's reputation. It has the reputation of being a very rough and hateful place. Many people that could help PG do not want to live here. Think of all the smart and well intentioned people that you have met in the last twenty years who have moved away to raise families or pursue there careers. Its not a fun place for minorities that's for sure.

Only a cop or a politician could put a positive spin on this!
What a load of bunk!
I think Imorge has it right...Smith is a talking head..."stating what she is told to say by her superiors".
I wonder sometimes how these human puppets can look at themselves in the mirror when they get up in the morning?
Obviously,they really do believe the general public is completely stupid!

TOUGHER LAWS!!!! HARDER TIME!!!!

"So we are less likely to be murdered here than in 40 other cities out of 100."

Six of the top 12 are in the lower mainland. That is what happens when provincial governments are interested only in cash grabs from the people.

NMG: That thing about the kid with the gun was real and in PG. Someone Dildo phoned it in. LOL is right.

NMG: That thing about the kid with the gun was real and in PG. Someone Dildo phoned it in and you can rest assured it wasn't a redneck who made the call.

you nimrods. the gangs are recruiting young kids now and the best way to move weapons around is with young kids..they arent checked or seen as suspicious. Until something tragic happens.

People have got to phone the Police when they see something that looks bad. We have got to start helping ourselves.