well i guess its the sign of the times,equally allthough it seems the rcmp have their own problem,catch22 in a way.whos really the bad guy?

After Midnight there isn't anywhere to go but the Generator. They have that placed wired. I mean umm please give me a break. I am not into paying $5.25 a bottle of beer. It's a horrible rip off. To even ask for a cover charge is an insult.

"Restaurants and bars are key meeting places for gang members and police believe wherever there are gang members, there is a potential for violence"

Is this a throw back to some of the mob hits in Chicago in the 1920's?

Watch for people in long black coats carrying legal file valises with tables reserved in private "back rooms" of restaurants. ;-)

Man you guys are paranoid. I mean like come on now. Extremism causes crazy people to pull stunts that causes violence and this site tends to bring out that in folks.

Be real are you not pushing your agenda. My Dad went to Cuba this past week and I tell ya do ya want that kind of thing for a country. AK-47's pointing at your face to go places. Up to you. Me I much rather have a place to go at night after midnight and not have to think oh well gangs are here and I need to be scared. Maybe you folks learned how to behave like ol G.W and don't say who is that. I mean do I have to say Bush.

;-) = **wink**

I was saying the same thing you are chris. Only I was being sarcastic.

"That is a program which allows police to enter a restaurant, club, bar, and remove those who police believe are involved in gang activity."

How about the direct approach. If the RCMP suspects someone of being involved in gangland activities, I can only assume that they have been "monitoring" them and they have a less public way of arresting them, such as maybe going to their place of residence.

Will they be following this up with a "store watch" program also. Go into stores and kick those who police "believe" suspectedto be involved in gangs out.

I mean, what is the big deal about restaurants? Add banks. Add ATM's. Add gasoline stations. I mean, might as well add the City of Prince George and kick them out of town. If you can do it for restaurants, why can't you do it for all those other places?

How about a "bar watch" at the courthouse so one can personally witness punishments meted out to the baddies by "bleeding heart" judges?

Hey why not just ban them all from town? We did it for an "aggressive panhandler" a few years back. If panhandling warrants it then surely drugs and weapons could get the same treatment? :-)

Gus did you miss part-Restaurants and bars are key meeting places for gang members.

Also remember the shooting at Moxies and the restaurants down south. These just might be a reason to target restaurants.

Are you against roadblocks also?

how can they prove who is in a gang? why not just ban anyone with a criminal record then

Interceptor: Excellent idea. Contact your MLA, I'll do the same. MLA's can push to have this adopted as a condition on any probation order, hopefully after a long stint in jail, but I believe it can be done.
I don't go to bars or restaurants that allow gang members to hang around, don't care for their pomp and crap attitude.

Just look for guys with murses. I happened across a bevy of youngsters wearing backwards hats and murses, I thought I walked into a gay fashion show. But after I looked around for awhile I realized these murse wearing fellows were "gangsta"

What's a "murse"?

I think a murse is a mans purse LOL

A 'murse'?

That's where they hide their AK47, a bail of bud (the leafy kind), extra bundles of hundred dollar bills, crack pipe, syringes and keys to the Harley...oh ya.. and the rabbit foot for good luck..

aka Man-purse

It's just a bad title. Why call it "Bar watch" if they are clearly going to look at restaurants and other "meeting" places too.

Just call it "Crime watch" or something. or even better "scum bag watch"

Ya, I like that one.

Lmao Gary - thanks I like that one too.

Seamutt ... I did not miss a beat ..... I think you missed the part I wrote about the Chicago mob ... the several hits they got in typical meeting places - restaurants, diners, bowling alleys, street corners, warehouses, etc.

You also must have missed the following post of mine, seamutt ....

"Watch for people in long black coats carrying legal file valises with tables reserved in private "back rooms" of restaurants"

Those are the more sohisticated "gang members" ... you know, the ones who own "legitimate" businesses such as the Okanagan Laleside Resort at one time.

I was sitting in the best Italian restaurant ion Ottawa on Preston street at one time and a whole troop came marching through to the back room ..... as if they owned the place ... and they probably did.

I am sorry, I am still old fashioned, I believe in civil liberties. If they are breaking the law, then arrest them for God's sake. I bet you if someone took this to the Supreme Court, it would not stand a chance of surviving.

It's just more of the same. Until our lawmakers do the right thing, change our laws to truly protect us and enable these gangsters to be arrested and put away, the lawyers will continue to benefit from our revolving door justice system. The people need to stand up and demand change. I think it will take civil disobedience to get it done. Nothing else seems to work, they are not listening to us. They just keep letting these scumbags walk amongst us and then take our hard earned money from our pockets to defend them when they get busted. When is it going to end?

You know lets make drugs legal and give social workers something to do because right now all they seem to be doing is eating cookies, coffee and coddling drug addicts.

Now you are hacking on social workers too Chris? You seem to have a laundry list of people you hate, is there anyone you like?
Ps - making drugs legal in BC will do NOTHING. The big grow ops ship to countries where it is, and will remain, illegal...

Gus I think you stilled missed the point. So when these scum bags where near you, did you feel comfortable. Hey I am all for civil liberties, but not for protecting those low life. I do not see why you are worried about gangsters civil-liberties.

Ha lol I hold most people in contempt. It's no wonder I only have three friends on my facebook. Two of them are my sisters the other my cousin I haven't seen since I was 8 years old. But I do socialize I am just picky on who I befriend now days. Look I have been here ten years in Aug and I can tell ya Prince George hasn't been a cake walk. Really to be honest the best place to talk to me and get to know me is in the sauna after a good run on the treadmill. But even then I am into breathing and I meditate in there so I am don't make for good conversation. Although I have stayed longer after I have finished everything to talk to people in the hot tub. One thing I have done this past week was buy a mini stereo adapter and extra cords to share my music while running on the treadmills. I am rather inverted. But I do try.

Say give us a place to go downtown where athletes can go of all ages to chat about fitness and health.

Seamutt ... my principles are very simple. If you break the law and it is proven that you do within the system we have created over almost a thousand years since William the Conquerer, then you get sentenced and you serve that sentence. I too believe that sentences should be carried out.

BUT, being a member of a gang, however one defines that, I believe is not a criminal act or even a misdemeanour. If it is, or were to become so, then ARREST them and convict them and sentence them and implement the sentence.

Until that is the case, people have the right to assemble, congregate, join groups, wear insignias, etc.

For instance, in Germany it is illegal to wear a swastika. It is not illegal to do so in Canada or the US. Neither is it illegal to wear an insignia that identifies a group to be Tight Ass Soldiers or whatever they call themselves.

If, on the other hand, they cause a disturbance, well, then they are disturbing the peace. Simple. Arrest them and move them out of the premises.

We have not yet progressed to the point where if someone thinks someone might commit a crime, might disturb the peace, that they can be charged with intent merely on the basis of the police feeling bad vibes and removed from the premises.

However, the German Gestapo under Nazi reign had no problem with that. In that case all you had to be was a member of a gang of Jews, Imbiciles, Gypsies, anti-government, etc. It worked really well ..... for a while.

Stalin had no problem putting gang members into the Gulag either.

You see, Canadians have had it too easy. They do not know how lucky they are to live in a relatively just society and how easy it is for that society to deteriorate into a benevolent dictatorship to start with ..... and then slowly disintegrate because the masses really do not know what is good for them.

say thats deep

Good points Gus. The bigger problem is how the courts are dealing with these violent criminals. They are attracted to Canada because they know they can get off light as opposed to where they come from.