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Complaints Up Against P.G. Detachment of the RCMP

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Monday, March 21, 2011 04:08 AM

Prince George, B.C.- The number of complaints against the members of the RCMP detachment in Prince George, was up in 2010. The rough numbers from the Commission for Public Complaints Against the RCMP show there were 52 complaints laid against local detachment members last year. Each complaint may contain more than one allegation, the total allegations, at 111, far surpassed the number of allegations made in 2009.
 
It’s difficult to pinpoint just how many of the complaints laid involve different cases. Prince George detachment Superintendent Brenda Butterworth-Carr says there is an increasing incidence of third party complaints where people are lodging a complaint on behalf of someone else “ So even if there’s an incident which involves a direct contact between a person and a policing agency, what I’ve seen more of, are third party complaints. So we might actually get a complaint from the original person then a third party complaint from someone else. I’ve seen a few of those happen over the last year and a bit, specifically in Prince George. In speaking to Professional Standards (department within the RCMP), that certainly is happening in other detachments as well.” So while the number of complaints filed may be up, there may be several complaints tied to one incident.
 
She says she is aware of three complaints where other parties have stepped forward and multiple allegations have been made in connection with those three complaints.
 
Overall,  Superintendent Butterworth-Carr, says the numbers are indicative of what is being seen at most detachments “I attribute that to a couple of things, the first being that, there’s a lot more media attention to complaints, so people are feeling more comfortable coming forward and knowing that there are  different ways to make a complaint. They can make them internally through the detachment or they can make them through the CPC (Commission for Public Complaints Against the RCMP). I think part of it also is that, certainly in our interactions with the public, there is more of a recognition of being held accountable and that transparency when people feel that there’s been a wrong, then obviously they feel comfortable coming forward and saying we want to make sure this is resolved.”
 
Allegations
2007
2008
2009
2010
A - Improper Attitude
11
8
17
17
B- Improper Use of Force
4
5
10
18
C- Improper Use of Firearms
0
0
0
2
D- Irregularity in Procedure
4
3
6
8
E-Driving Irregularity
0
0
0
0
F- Neglect of Duty
14
14
15
24
G -Statutory Offences
6
1
1
10
H- Mishandling of Property
3
1
1
3
I- Irregularity – evidence
0
0
0
3
J- Oppressive Conduct
8
2
2
8
K-Improper Arrest
4
2
5
6
L-Improper person/vehicle search
0
1
5
0
M-Improper Search of residence
2
2
1
5
N-Policy
0
0
0
0
O-Equipment
0
0
0
0
P-Service
1
0
1
7
Q -Other
0
1
0
0
TOTAL
57
40
64
111
 
Butterworth –Carr says the local detachment tries to resolve the complaints informally, and their work so far, has shown a large portion of the complaints have been unfounded or they have been resolved informally. “We certainly have some that are still outstanding. For 2010, (of the completed investigations) the results to date are that we have at least 50% that have been either resolved informally or found to be unsupported.”
 
Prince George, is not the worst in “E” Division when it comes to complaints about improper use of force. That distinction belongs to Surrey which saw 21 complaints of improper use of force levelled against RCMP officers there. 
Prince George is tied with Kelowna for allegations of improper use of force, with each detachment facing 18.
 
Throughout the province, there were a total of 249 allegations of improper use of force levelled against RCMP in B.C. in 2010.  To put that perspective, there are more than 6,500   RCMP members serving in B.C..
 
Superintendent Butterworth-Carr says Prince George detachment members are having more contact with the public, she says   while members are encouraged to get the investigation done in a timely manner,   it should not be lost that there needs to be time spent with the complainant, or the victim, so they know they are being looked after. “Some of the things, I’m seeing, the quick response, the quick dealing, on to the next file.  We need to be mindful of saying, slow it down just enough so that we make sure we get all our information and our initial contact with the public is positive.”
 
 

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Cops should not yell,when pulling over a speeding motorist,I have seen this several times and it really scares the driver.
Surrey has almost 6 times the population of P.G.
21 complaints Surrey
18 complaints P.G.

P.G. is the worst
Interesting to note that when Carr is hypothesizing why there might be more complaints this year she points to possible causes that are mostly unrelated to actually police misdoings. People have had the ability and knowledge they can report inappropriate behaviour for years, so why is this year so much higher? The real reason I mean. The right to self investigation has to stop and the RCMP should have no involvemnet in investigating thier own except to give testimony, period. A civilian overser is simply not good enough.
If that's all the complaints there getting ,I think that's pretty good.Taking into consideration what they deal with everyday.
Suck it up people, If you are breaking the law your complaint is irrelevent and I don't care! The majority of the population that are law abiding citizens do not even encounter the RCMP on a yearly basis. If you are breaking into my house and are consequently arrested following, I hope you get roughed up a bit when they are handcuffing you, You loose your rights when you break the law. Criminals have it to easy and the RCMP have a scary job when they are dealing with you useless scum. Its time for the people to start backing the RCMP throughout this province for the service they do for our communities! Stop complaining endlessly about the minor infractions towards useless criminals ruining our society. I respect the RCMP and you should too!
thank you, thank you, thank you, superdave.

I wouldn't want their job. they get crapped on by everyone, but, they are expected to show up when required. I do believe they are people too. How many of us have done something they could take back, I would imagine, most of the complaints are one of those days for the individual RCMP.

The only thing I could possible ask for from the RCMP, is if they do screw up, I think it is ok for them to apologize for poor judgement, I think it is a process of being real.
Actually my complaint is they don't police where I live hardly at all. I've seen more black bears on Chief Lake Rd than I have RCMP in any given year. I like to call my ride into work the death race 2000. Most motorists believe effective speed limit to be 100 km. RCMP could finance new building just on ticket revenue along.

What will burn my butt is if I get a ticket. I travel about 90 km because if I try to travel 80 km I get drivers sniffing the rearend of my car and passing on double solid lines in their hurry to get to Timmies for a double double. My luck the day they do set up radar out there, they'll catch me at 90 :)
Very well said superdave. It's a thankless job. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
The times I have dealt with the RCMP over the last couple of years I have had one negative experience where I did absolutely nothing wrong,and several positive experiences,where either RCMP members or civilian members of the RCMP have gone out of there way to help deal with situations.
some police out there do a very good job!!BUT there are also some egotistical psycopaths that should have never passed basic training....police should be held accountable for their unlawful behaviour the same as the good ones should be recognized for outstanding job preformance.
they are people just like the rest of us and should not get special legal treatment ...
I have been stopped a few times, it is for speeding. They are only trying to do their job, of protecting the public. Its no use to be indignant about it, and expect them to take it on the chin. If someone was being indignant to you, at your work, are your expected to take it on the chin. Not likely.

My hats off to the RCMP, Fire fighters, nurses and doctors. They take a lot of crap, from a lot of ignorant people. They are not your servants, they are people just like you and me.

Their may be a few, just bad professionals, but they slowly weed them out.



"You loose (sic) your rights when you break the law."


No you don't.
I think police, like politicians, have to have a special type of personality to want to do those jobs. And that is, control. To say people join a police force or join the political arean solely on a need to serve the public good, I think, is a little naive. Police are necessary, and politicians are necessary, but that shouldn't give them a bye on scrutiny. It doesn't matter if individuals had good experiences with them or bad. What matters is that they know they are accountable for thier actions, accountable in the real sense, not in the sense that they are held to today.
Butterworth Carr is in a dreamworld...she has no operational experience on the road and has no idea how busy things get there in PG or surrey. No wonder she is leaving ...she can only do an office job.

PG is a lot rougher than surrey. The # of complaints to members to population ratio shows pg is tops when it comes to having to break out the knuckles once in a while..And everyone can say what they want but its true: The PG crowd that the police have to deal with is a lot scrappier and rougher than the lowermainland on average. In fact I have spoken to an ex surrey member who is now in pg and he is amazed how busy it is in pg compared to surrey.

What is the real reason for additional complaints: Look at the legal system today....its turned into a blame the system, blame the other guy, blame your parents, blame the environment you grew up in....all geared to make complaints, instead of taking any personal responsibility for your own actions.

That is not to say that some of the complaints made are not justified...and until the younger members learn to better deal with the public through experience things like this will keep happening...
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Surrey has almost 6 times the population of P.G.
21 complaints Surrey
18 complaints P.G.

P.G. is the worst
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That's because we have more natives in PG.
dear HD. please choke and die. we certainly don't need any more blatant racism on this forum. this is ridiculous.

I was also about to make the same comment faxman did...superdave...WRONG. You don't lose your rights once you break the law. Nor should you. Lets take a minute to think about the implications that would have. Totalitarianism anyone? No thanks!
No, HD, its because PG has a bad drug and drinking problem compared to on average against any city in BC
HD its because of ignorant and uneducated jerks like you that racism is alive and well in Prince George. How cowardly of you to hide behind a user name and publish crap that you wouldn't have the guts to do if you were to identify yourself.
You don't deserve the priviledge to post on this site.
"thank you, thank you, thank you, superdave.
I wouldn't want their job. they get crapped on by everyone, but, they are expected to show up when required. I do believe they are people too."

Try being a school teacher if you think you got it bad as a cop! School teachers are classed a a necessity but are denied the right to strike. That is being crapped on and I consider it much worse than being called a pig. Besides, teachers can't shoot or incarcerate the parents who harass them.
Stop the whining, do your job and be thankful that you can be a bully whenever you want. Whether or not the complaints are in refernce to the same incident; they are still a complaint and should be counted as such.
Okay Okay, so you don't loose your rights, but you sure as hell shouldn't have any. Thats why we have jails just seems like are justice system doesn't like putting people in them. If you are a criminal, screw you, you dont contibute to our society only break it down. You should have no rights except for a couple meals a day behind bars. The police go into situations everyday with the chance of getting killed by some useless low life, so give them a break for not being in the best mood everytime you get a speeding ticket. All this bull**** about being held accountable, yeah there is a few instances when maybe they get off easy, but all these stupid complaints about not getting treated properly after you just got arrested for breaking the law are radiculous.
Teachers? heh heh...well paid and you get three months off during summer. Pretty crappy I say.
I haven't been pulled over for speeding in close to 8 years but I can remember that the police officers I been pulled over by were very professional and respectful. They give you the speech about how fast you were going, but I have never felt like they were rude about it. Police have to deal with all the stuff that we don't want to deal with. There will always be people who complain but with rising crime, more people have to deal with police and thus we will have more complaints. Thank you to the RCMP force, for the effort that goes into trying to clean up our gang riddled town.
PGguru, they have to yell, people don't pay attention and don't have a clue.
Imorge, you have no idea about her operational experience, man, I can't believe you posted that. But you're right, PG is a lot tougher to police than Surrey. When you've got guys coming out of the bush from logging or the oilfields, they've worked hard and they party harder.
HD, you need some life experience.
Superdave, we should go for coffee.
Whoa, you should join us.