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Few Details, But Assurances Of Thorough Investigation

By Michelle Cyr-Whiting

Monday, April 11, 2011 03:50 PM

Sergeant Paul Skelton and Corporal Fred Harding with West Van Police Dept.

Prince George, B.C. -  There are many questions, but few answers on specific details surrounding last Thursday evening's tasering of an 11-year-old boy in a rural area of Prince George...

In the hours following the incident - as per RCMP policy - Prince George Superintendent Brenda Butterworth-Carr sought an independent review of the incident.  Four members from the West Vancouver Police Department arrived in the city last night.  Two detectives began their investigation last night and again this morning.  The two other officers were brought in to liaise with the media and community in light of this disturbing incident.

Those two officers, Corporal Fred Harding and Sergeant Paul Skelton, held a news conference this afternoon, but could not shed light on many specific questions pertaining to the stabbing incident that landed a 37-year-old man in hospital with non-life threatening injuries, and resulted in an 11-year-old boy being tasered.

Corporal Harding says that he does not know where the incident occurred and would not confirm it was a 'group home'.  "My understanding is that it's not actually termed a 'group home', but, I believe it is a government building," says Harding.  "And just to clarify, I don't mean to be coy, that's my understanding - that's the full information I have."

"I understand from the Ministry of Children and Families Development (sic) they haven't disclosed to us where it took place because we have to respect the privacy of the people who are still living and working at that place."  He cannot confirm whether the victim was an employee.

There are no details on whether the adolescent was armed, or his height and weight.  Harding will say the boy was treated at hospital and "he remains in the care of the ministry, is the only information I have."

The Prince George RCMP officer involved is believed to be male and a junior officer, who's been a member for approximately a year-and-a-half.  "The officer has been assigned to administrative duties as of today," says Harding.

He emphasizes that while West Van Police understand there are numerous questions out there, maintaining the integrity of their independent investigation is paramount.  "We're all aware also of people's perceptions of police investigating police.  Right now, in this province, it's the best we've got.  But, again, I can tell you that the West Vancouver Police Department will not let anybody down in their abilities of providing an unbiased, thorough investigation into the circumstances it (the tasering) surrounded."

"Clearly, the principal focus is 'did the officer act appropriately?', was everythnig that happened there the best that could have happened and, if not, are there any recommendations that can come out of that."

The officers on the investigation-side anticipate that they'll have all the information they need by tomorrow or mid-week and will leave Prince George at that time.  Corporal Paul Skelton says, "They're optimistic that they'll be able to go back to our department and start putting their fingers on the keyboard and crafting a document that can answer all your questions because we fully understand that this is a very topical incident - our chief has given it top priority."

"We know this is a very sensitive investigation and I can assure you that both the RCMP and West Vancouver Police Department want to answer all the questions in a timely manner."

 


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The Royal Ulster Constabulary were once a feared police service in Ireland. Once the Police Ombudsman of Northern Ireland, (PONI) was established the problem pretty much did a 180.
A possible solution to our problem?

http://www.policeombudsman.org/

This may seem trite at this juncture, but 4 cops to investigate this one incident? That seems a little excessive to me. Clearly it's a serious matter, and 2 detectives would seem in order, but 2 high-ranking officers to liaise with media as well? That's 4 flights, two car rentals, at least 2 hotel rooms for 3 nights, and meals. Do the Prince George R.C.M.P have to pony up for their wages too? That's an expensive investigation.
We have to believe that the investigation will be without predjudice. It does seem that the process is a wee bit overmanned though.
metalman.
Thanks to Opinion 250 for only reporting what they know. CBC has been running this story all day, asking people what they think when they know full well they don't have enough facts to come to any informed conclusions. Even the likes of Ellen Turpel-Lafond, B.C.'s Representative for Children and Youth, was on the radio beaking off about how out of line the officer was when we all know that she has no more facts than the rest of us. This from a government official! Does she know if the boy had a gun? Does she know if he was lashing out at others with the knife? No. Very professional on your part Ms Turpel-Lafond!

Remember the formaldehyde story?
Thanks to Opinion 250 for only reporting what they know. CBC has been running this story all day, asking people what they think when they know full well they don't have enough facts to come to any informed conclusions. Even the likes of Ellen Turpel-Lafond, B.C.'s Representative for Children and Youth, was on the radio beaking off about how out of line the officer was when we all know that she has no more facts than the rest of us. This from a government official! Does she know if the boy had a gun? Does she know if he was lashing out at others with the knife? No. Very professional on your part Ms Turpel-Lafond!

Remember the formaldehyde story?
Thanks to Opinion 250 for only reporting what they know. CBC has been running this story all day, asking people what they think when they know full well they don't have enough facts to come to any informed conclusions. Even the likes of Ellen Turpel-Lafond, B.C.'s Representative for Children and Youth, was on the radio beaking off about how out of line the officer was when we all know that she has no more facts than the rest of us. This from a government official! Does she know if the boy had a gun? Does she know if he was lashing out at others with the knife? No. Very professional on your part Ms Turpel-Lafond!

Remember the formaldehyde story?
sorry!
No problem whelen, and I agree 100%. CBC has had no end of "experts" ranting about this being out of line with no information to base it on. Lets wait for the facts first, ok people?
Thats is true whelen. Even on the Sympatico website is saying the victim was stabbed in Vancouver.
Wow look at all the bleeding hearts for this kid...are we forgeting...HE STABBED A MAN...if the police would have tried to arrest him they would have been charged with using to much force...in life you have good animals and you have bad ones...humans are no different...
Considering how high profile this case is, some questioning the amount of manpower, amazing.
If a flak vest on, an 11 year old kid with a knife, would not be endangering my life! I would slap the little bugger and take the knife away. Even If I was wounded, it probably wouldn't be serious.
Now we have another case of police investigating police. What a waste of money as well as a very thin smoke screen.
Yeah it shouldn't be called independent investigation but rather at arms length.
http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110409/bc_tasered_child_110409/20110410?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

According to BCCLA executive director David Eby: "Public Safety Canada's guidelines for conducted energy weapons indicate Tasers should not be used "on a woman known to be pregnant, elderly person, YOUNG CHILD or visibly frail person."

So, is an 11 year old a young child, just for those who are into splitting hairs?

Everyone is clamming up about everything as ususal. The police still do not have a good method of dealing with such cases in the early stages ... or even in the later stages.

From the amount of information that is out there right now, and what is reasonable to infer, there will be more than just the police who will need to be investigated with a view to making sure that there are sufficiently stringent protocols in place in such homes.

By the time the police arrived, the event had gone beyond where it should have from everyone's safety point of view, including public safety. The question of why needs to be answered. Who was in charge and what went wrong?
Even with a flak vest on I do believe your neck is exposed.So your life is in danger if you miss taking the knife away from the kid,after you have slapped him,if you can get that close.We'll have to see what facts come out as to whether the cops did the right thing or not in order to diffuse the situation.How many cops were actually on site when this occurred?Did they have enough time after they arrived,to come up with a plan,or did the kid exit the house just after there arrival?I have been told by some people that know this place,that the kids are no angels!
I assume that this boy is an orphan because I have not read any reference to a parent or parents. Or has he been abandoned by them? If so, it would be really sad and I hope that someone will show him kindness and compassion and change his life for a more normal one.