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The Many 'Distressing' Issues Raised By The Taser Incident

By Michelle Cyr-Whiting

Friday, April 15, 2011 04:00 AM

Prince George, B.C. - 'Distressing' - it's a word that's been used over and over again in the eight days since a member of the Prince George RCMP tasered an 11-year-old Aboriginal boy.

And the President of the Native Courtworker and Counselling Association of B.C. says he has no doubt it will be distressing to the public for quite some time.  Hugh Braker says there's probably no one more distressed than the young boy, himself.

"We deal with youth in court every single day of the year and I can tell you without a doubt that many of the Aboriginal youth we deal with who are in conflict with the law suffer from underlying issues such as mental problems, addictions, fetal alcohol syndrome, fetal narcotic syndrome," he says.  "Those issues need to be dealt with, but what I mentioned it for, is that Aboriginal children very rarely understand their rights in the system."

"An 11-year-old is not going to understand what his rights are, his relationship and the way he looks at the police is going to be different than the way an adult does, so I imagine it's very distressing to everyone."

Braker says for Aboriginal leaders, the distressing factors are two-fold:  1. the boy's age, and 2. it is, yet again, another case where an Aboriginal person has been treated badly by the criminal justice system.

He says, "We have a really hard time trying to think of a single case where an 11-year-old should be tasered, we just can't.”

"It just boggles our minds and that is just complicated even more by the fact that we now have, once again, a police force investigating a police force over an alleged possible wrongdoing."

The West Vancouver Police Department is conducting a criminal investigation into the circumstances surrounding the tasering.  Yesterday afternoon, the Commission for Public Complaints against the RCMP announced it would be conducting its own investigation. 

Braker says the CPC investigation is no more acceptable.  "We're not happy with it at all," says the NCCABC President, "The Commission was set up by the government without consultation with Aboriginal people and how can we have faith in it, if there isn't consultation when it's first set up."

B.C.'s Solicitor-General, Shirley Bond, said earlier this week she hopes to have a civilian-led independent office open in the province by the end of the year.  There, too, Braker points out, that native courtworkers have been helping Aboriginal people with their rights in the courts in B.C. for 38-years and, says, "We have not yet been approached by the government to assist in this matter or put our thoughts forward."

Braker says while the individual case is distressing, so are the overall statistics.  "We've always got in the back of our mind: why is it that so many of the people who die while in police custody are Aboriginal, why is it that so many of the youth in custody in Canada are Aboriginals, why is it that so many of the adults in custody are Aboriginal."

"Now, I could keep going on with the statistics," he says,  "But they point to, to us, a very distressing fact and that's that Aboriginal people, we think, are being treated very badly by the justice system."


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I think if you've just stabbed someone and you're waving around a knife in a threatening manor, then force should be used no matter if you're a 6-year old... the age means nothing... the real crime is the use of the tazer IMO.

I oppose the use of a tazer every time no matter the crime, because it is an execution device, and we should all be presumed innocent until executed (Russian rullet style). Using electricity to take a person down is a crime in and of itself. They should have just beat the kid with a billy club until he let go of the knife... something that would leave a mark physically. Making the kid out to be the victim here only complicates the situation and encourages future bad behavior.
I find this story a little out of touch with reality.

Why is race now an issue in this case? I personally don't feel any differently about it now then I did when I didn't know the genetic make-up of the child, other than he was male and human. Anyone who feels differently now because of the ethnicity of those involved should be questioning their own judgment, not that of others. So basically, what you're saying is that if the stabbing suspect had been a non native child, the officer wouldn't have tasered them?

When did this become a "criminal" investigation? "Criminal" implies intention. So you're saying now that the officer intended to harm this 11 year old child and from the spin of your article, you think it's because the child is of native origin? Do you have any proof of that? That sounds as nuts to me as an 11 year old child stabbing someone.

I think everyone should just cool out and wait for the outcome of the investigations before all this wild speculation does more harm than was actually done to the victims in this case.
I agree with you Sine totally. Unfortunately, the poor cop involved is also a victim now: just for doing his job. Obvious to me, he's also a nice guy that took too many criminology and poly- sci courses to beef up his cv. That's why he used the taser, instead of the glock or batton. If he wasn't a softie, like the cops who used to patrol Prince George in my youth, that little monster would still be in the hospital with broken arms and large bumps on his head.
I too am dismayed that this incident is once again being hijacked by a racism agenda. The manufacturer's guide lines for the use of the tazer weapon caution against applying it to the very young and the very old. That's all.

Recently two seniors of advanced age were tazered in the Okanagan. One while double parking when his wife was delivering papers, the other one while being in a hospital bed. Both were non-native. They were Caucasian. I followed the reporting of these two cases and the issue of race never came up.

Never, not even once. Both cases appeared to have been incidents of extreme, non-racist and unnecessary use of the tazer.

In this Prince George case, should the Aboriginal community not be just vocal and as critical as they are now if this had been an 11-year old white child?

Come on, people!
Tasering was the right thing to do, aboriginal, black, white or yellow, it makes no difference. I am in full support for the RCMP. We are always bitching when they don't do their job, stop bitching when they DO, please!!!!!
Racism has nothing to do with this.
The outcome would have been the same if this 11 year old was black,white,brown or pink.
Right or wrong,would the officer have reacted any different if the kid had not been native?
No,I doubt he would have.
The aboriginal community is doing as much to make this a race issue as are non-natives.
What they should be doing right now is considering what their own role was in what happened to this kid and why.
How did he get here?
Other than that,it needs to be left alone until the facts are clear, and that hasn't happened yet.
Yes,we should pay close attention to ensure the facts are honest and straight forward, but rampant speculation isn't going the help that happen any sooner.
Allways play the Race Card "Poor me", if an 11 Year old attacks me in my own House, what should I do, Kiss him ?
Michelle cyr whiting is out to lunch with her first paragraph. Instead of seeking out groups who will jump on the political bandwagon, why doesn't she take a consensus from the people on the street. I am in total agreement with the posters who profess that the issue of race should have no bearing on this particular incident. Neither should age given the circumstances.
And the person who is probably the most distressed is the person recovering from the stab wounds.
No doubt,Imorge!
And I don't imagine the young cop is feeling all that great, either!
Does the esteemed Mr. Braker have any suggestions other than that this is "yet another case of injustice to aboriginals"
From the sounds of his blather, he is but a mouthpiece for the industry (the aboriginal industry) Like so many others, I did not consider race when thinking about and discussing this stabbing incident with others. Who cares what race the kid is? I don't. In my opinion, the kid is not to blame for whatever his mental problems are, not yet anyway. He has not had enough time in the world to be responsible for his own actions. In the care situation he is in, he must have had some serious disadvantages since birth, most likely due to substance abuse by his mother. Once a kid like this gets to his mid teens though, I would hold him or her fully responsible for their own actions.
Let race not be a part of these problems, instead, let's put even more effort into prevention, stop pregnant females from using addictive substances (yea, right)
maybe abortion is the answer, I don't know.
metalman.
Braker asks a huge question that has been asked for quite a while!
"Why is it that so many of the youth in custody in Canada are aboriginals?"
I suspect the only ones who can actually answer that question are in fact...aboriginals.
Instead of answers and solutions,what we normally get is finger pointing and blame.
As in...It is someone elses fault...not ours!
What about the poor taxpayer in all of this. They say this child is guarded 24 hours a day by two adults 365 days a year. That's about $350,000.00 of wages to guard one mixed up kid. Here's my questions. Who mixed him up and how? Are they in jail? Who could have prevented him from being mixed up? Are they behind held responsible. This kid is one sick puppy if he requires that kind of care. And if he is aboriginal, why isn't he being cared of by that community, and at their expense?

It seems to me the end game here is to wait until the kid is 12, let him offend, and then move him to the less costly youth offender facility. I wonder if we're pound foolish pennywise. Maybe we should spend more money on preventing children developing like this and less on incarceration, trails, policing costs, welfare costs etc. Something stinks here I just can't figure out what.

All I know, is when there's a war to be fought, we have an endless supply of money, but when there's people here needing help, the budget is tight, and we all end up paying in the end, and getting it in the end.
Its the natives playing the race card. If so many natives are involved with the law then what are they doing to help themselves? Hugh Baker have you any thoughts on the stabbing victom? Why doesn't one of the many natives societies take this kid in?

As for hitting him with a baton, kidding right. If someone has a knife and you are close enough to hit him with a baton, you are in extreme danger.
Seamutt and others. You have absolutely no clue on the condition of the kid. You have absolutely no idea on whayt may have provoked him.

Read the story on government sanctioned studies of 13 to 18 year old sexual perpetrators with penile monitoring while fed sexual explicit materials.

Government sanctioned!!! A good friend of mine used that on hardened older sexual predators for his PhD thesis in the mid 1960s. We have come so far that we are now doing this to kids.

We totally know nothing about this situation. Yet everyone is blaming the kid holding the knife, and when a few of us are yelling STOP with your prejudicial views you are accusing us of being anti RCMP.

And you do not even recognize the fact that you are prejudiced or pre-judging.

Stop it already. PG already has a bad red neck reputation without your adding to it with your ignorance of the condition this child was in and not even looking at the possibility of what provoked him to snap.
I wonder how the VICTIM is doing, Is He recovering from his stab wound, What would the charges be, If the VICTIM had killed the KID in SELF DEFENCE.
Gus Gus Gus, I don't know the all the facts you don't know all the facts. I would say you are the one prejudging. The kid had already stabbed someone and was a threat. We will see what the facts are soon enough and work from there.

Yes we have no idea on the pre-condition of the kid or what provoked him but with the information we have he seems to have been a serious threat at that time and someone made a snap decision on how to deal with it. Hopefully enough information will be released to judge the situation.

If the investigation hides behind privacy issues, age of the kid and such then I will smell a rat and the police will not have changed their ways.
Gus, how about scolding the native community for automatically playing the race card without knowing the facts? Its one sided sanctimony from people like you that make people speak out. Hipocrate.
What gets me is that Mary Turpel is supposed to be a representative for children and youth. I thought that meant all youth. But what she is really interested in is advocating for violent and predatory youth. Ms. Turpel elevates the 11 year old stabber to sainthood,. She wants to now abolish sex offender treatment options for youthful pedophiles. Let's face it, who does our 11 year old pose the greatest risk to? Other children (which is likey why he is in his own solo resource under constant supervision). Who do youthful sexual predators prey on? Smaller children. One would think that as a representative for "children and youth", Ms. Turpel would show at least some protective interest in the little ones who are victimzied by the types of youth she advocates for. Can we say conflict of interest? Why doesn't she just change her title to "Representative for Children and Youth - But Only the Dangerous Ones, the Rest of Them Be Damned."
I am really disappointed in Opinion250 for running this story. It's not news - just pure sensationalism. These kind of articles encourage hate and racism. It just further pits caucasions and aboriginals against each other - and I am saying this as a first nations person.
I was just looking but now I feel challenged and add "let's wait and see". i am not sold on the idea of tasers but wish the 4 mounties shot in Mayerthorpe Alberta could have been close enough to use one there.
Well said StreetWise2. It's almost to the point of inciting hatred. I think that this is nothing but a smear campaign against all sides in an attempt to get people to read and react. I wish they would report the facts and not the reaction of people who actually have NO stake in this other than to further their agenda by playing the race card.
"Now, I could keep going on with the statistics," he says, "But they point to, to us, a very distressing fact and that's that Aboriginal people, we think, are being treated very badly by the justice system."

Let's see, how do law abiding citizen's get treated badly by the justice system? If you don't break the law they can't treat you badly.

"Braker says for Aboriginal leaders, the distressing factors are two-fold: 1. the boy's age, and 2. it is, yet again, another case where an Aboriginal person has been treated badly by the criminal justice system."

HE STABBED SOMEONE, HE IS A CRIMINAL!

"addictions, fetal alcohol syndrome, fetal narcotic syndrome," he says."

The above statement puts it in a nutshell.

Poor kid for being let down by his parents. This whole story is sad before the tasering.

Shame on you Elders.
Seamutt, the police are bound by the same privacy laws as everyone else is. Informtation is not witheld simply because they don't feel like giving it up, they cannot.
You have to consider the situation.

A stabbing had occured. The person who apparently did the stabbing was holding a knife. He was eleven years old. (Would the Police know his age?).

Now how do you defuse the situation. What are your options.

1. Try and talk to the individual and have him surrender his weapon.

2. Use a taser to disarm the individual.

3. Hit him over the head with a Billy Club, risking cerebral damage.

4. Shoot him, to ensure that he cannot stab anyone else.

5. Pretend that there is no issue here, get back in the Patrol Car and go to Timmys for coffee.

None of the above options are good, however they are the only options available at the time. One must remember that other people could have been injured if this individual was not brought under control.

I dont profess to have the answers, however it is pretty obvious that there is a big problem here.

At this point in time because the kid is a juvenile we have no way of knowing whether or not he has been in trouble in the past, but I can gaurantee you that the Police, Social Services, Justice System, etc; could answer that question if they were allowed.

It seems on the surface that the Aboriginal Community absolves themselves from any responsibility for the actions of its people, and are quick to blame others on how they deal with these types of problems. Why is that????

There are some really big problems in this community and they will not be solved on an ad hoc basis. We need dedicated people both aboriginal and otherwise, to work to-gether to try and find solutions. Throwing money at these problems are not a solution, rather it is an abdication of responsibility.




I got a feeling most the people saying race is not an issue are straight middle aged white men? They are the real victims having their tax dollars go to the welfare state.
I live in a area where children of every race are tasered everyday by the enviroment they have to live in. The City and Nothern Health just fuels the fire. Neighbours we have to phone the police when we see a hooker doing her thing and get the plate of the dirty JOHNS we do not want them in our area. No one cares about our children so we have to do our best to protect them the best we can.We also have to get rid of the needles on wheels van its keeping the Citys unwanted in our area, and also the used needles and condoms the van dishes out are kept in our area. we have a needle exchange downtown, the money it takes to run this van could be put to a lot better use.
But the cost associated with not having clean needles and free condoms makes the van funding an efficient allocation of resources.
dow7500 wrote: "Gus, how about scolding the native community for automatically playing the race card without knowing the facts?"

Let me see ... take over the country ... move them out of PG and keep a 3 acre burial area that people walk on and city crews move the markers for and put them into Shelley ...... gather kids into residential schools to re-program them .... in BC, do all of that with virtually no treaties .....

With such wonderful treatment, why would anyone want to play a race card. These people must be totally stupid.

I am sorry DOW, ignoring reality does not make it go away.
Palopu ... the list is fine, but you reach this conclusion "None of the above options are good" that leaves me scratching my head.

So why is option 1, "Try and talk to the individual and have him surrender his weapon." not a good option?

Please read this webpage:

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cjs10.htm

Then read two bios showing that the RCMP has officers who have been involved with such negotations and teach courses in the topic of de-escalating situations, potential suicide cases being one of them.

http://www.life-role.com/talent/Curt%20ACHESON.htm

http://www.life-role.com/talent/otterloo.htm

from the first link:
"Negotiators have become very active, due in part to the reputations they have established for the successful, peaceful resolution of various types of critical incidents. For example, in 1993, the Hostage Negotiations Team of the Seattle, Washington, Police Department resolved 21 incidents, expending a total of 263 negotiator hours. In 1994, negotiators resolved 32 incidents, spending 407 hours in negotiations."

"Society requires that law enforcement exhausts all means available prior to launching a tactical resolution to an incident." Of course the author did not take the crowd at opinion 250 into consideration!!!

"Law enforcement agencies generally place a premium on the training provided to tactical teams. Administrators should place no less emphasis on the training provided to their negotiations teams."

"In negotiations, as in most endeavors, no absolutes exist. Each incident takes on a personality of its own. Field commanders can be sure of only one thing: Their decisions will be scrutinized by every "Monday morning quarterback" from city hall to the city desk."

A successful negotiations process requires a good foundation. Often, circumstances force the first responding officers to initiate some type of negotiation with the subject(s).

However, once line officers or first-line supervisors realize that an incident appears to be heading for something other than a prompt resolution, THEY SHOULD IMMEDIATELY TERMINATE NEGOTIATIONS AND CALL IN TRAINED NEGOTIATORS.

"Too many tragedies in communities across America demonstrate how negotiations should not be initiated. A bad start by well-intentioned, but untrained, personnel can have negative effects throughout the process. Simply put, PERSONNEL WHO ARE NOT TRAINED NEGOTIATORS SHOULD NOT NEGOTIATE."

I suspect that option 1 was never a real option due to the lack of capacity. I would love to see the capacity we have in PG and the protocol for such a situation.

Of course, we just get to pay and listen to talking heads next to a microphone after the fact. Shitty PR.
Actually Gus. Option (1) is good as long at the individual is not in a position to harm others. Were there others in the house?? I dont know. So they could have spent some time and tried to talk him down, however there is some history here, and because he is a juvenile we will probably never get all the facts.

Having him in a position where he could be dis-armed by a tazer may in fact have been the best option.

Maybe the investigation will reveal more.