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Weapon Used In Montreal Shooting Was No Duck Gun

By Ben Meisner

Thursday, September 14, 2006 11:24 AM

                

This is the semi automatic pistol caliber carbine used in the shootings in Montreal; this is no Moose rifle or a Duck hunting gun. As the promotional material says it is for sporting (sporting what?), personal defense, and law enforcement. It is capable of using a 20 shot clip and has a 16 inch barrel, which more then suggests just what it is used for.

The man named in the shooting, 25 year old Kimveer Gill is shown here from a (Canadian Press Photo ) taken from his web site .

In order to own this pistol Gill would have been required to acquire a permit for a restricted firearm which legally could not leave his house without a permit. These restrictions apply now and have for the past 60 odd years. How and if Gill had received a permit is not known.

Photo from Gill’s website compliments of Canadian Press


Beretta Cx4 Storm
Cx4 Storm specifications
Country of origin:
Italy
Viewing sights:
Iron
Cartridge:
9x19 mm, .40 S&W or .45 ACP
Length:
755 mm
Weight:
2.58 kg without magazine
Barrel:
422.5 mm
Rate of Twist 9x19 mm:
10
Rate of Twist .40 S&W & .45 ACP:
16
Magazine capacity 9x19 mm:
10, 15, 17 & 20
Magazine capacity .40 S&W:
10, 11, 14 & 17
Magazine capacity .45 ACP:
7, 8
Magazine type:
detachable box
Rate of fire:
semi auto only


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If you care to do a search in the CFC website you will see only some shortbarreled versions of the X4 are restricted...the carbine Gill appears to have is unresticted as it is a carbine no different in function than other short cartridge carbines which are unrestricted....however, this gun has a 10 shop magazine which must be pinned to restrict capacity to 5 rounds in a long gun centerfire.....BUT it accepts other Baretta handgun clips which hold 10 rounds and are legal for use in restricted handguns.

Sp we have an unrestricted carbine what is illegal if it is uded with a legal handgun clip and not a restricted rifle clip...confused??? Join the millions of honest firearms ownwers who have been trying their best to comply with this capricious confused gun regulating....meanwhile nutters could care less about regulations...Gill obviously held the firearms regs in the same contempt he held our laws against murder.

BTW" to answer your question as to HOW he got a licence, it needs to be expressed that the province of Quebec has its OWN gun registry and licencing unit that works separately and aside from the federal one...although they share data, Quebec reserves the right to set the criteria for issuing a firearms licence....it also bears repeating that this firearms system id the same one which issued a licence to Moms Boucher ( the Quebec hells angel hitman, Marc Lepine, Valery Fabricant and now Gill...both Fabricant and :epine had documented histories of violent instability...if the trend holds so will Gill.

Bottom line is that responsible firearms owners who have been robbed, belitteled, pushed and put in criminal liability by the current 2 billion dollar registry farce, refuse to be scape goated for the actions of another nutter like Gill...any mindless banter about making duck hunters pay a further price for an extended "registry" in reaction to the actions of criminals who our government registry has licenced to own guns, will not go over well.
1) Who cares what the gun is. The act is criminal, and perpetrator is a criminal. The gun has nothing to do with this. One could just as easily take a BAR for hunting and carry a few clips of .30-06 and do as much, if not more lethal damage than this carbine.

2) The criminal, by definition, does not follow the law and as such makes making laws against more or less useless.

As the world governments are emboldened by weak and scared huddled publics, they will slowly take away, guns, free speech, rights to trials, warrants, etc. You will become a subject, a slave to the masses. You would BAN THESE GUNS to be "safe."

Ban bats, golf clubs, cars, fatty foods, cigarettes - let us ban everything bad for you and think for you and make you do what is right all the time.

Too bad that world is a dystopian nightmare where non-conformance is punished with life imprisonment or the death penalty.

I have my guns, and use them in a lawful manner. Taking away my SBRs doesn't make you safer, it makes me pissed, demonizes guns and self defense and does nothing to hurt the criminals.

Curing cancer would be a whole lot more useful than going on an Anti-Gun Jihad.

To quote Eisenhower "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.."

But one could take this to mean that all implements of war are bad. What is really being said here is this - house the homeless, feed the hungry, solve the worlds problems and try and resolve inequities and try and raise the bottom for those who are not as fortunate… are all the anti-gun folks charitable and working hard to solve the world's problems or just another opinionated individual that lives life in a system and clings to a system - the same system which claims armed freeman are a bad thing.

Armed freeman (preferably with a total effective power greater than the organized military) are the only thing that keeps governments from committing horrible acts. Gun control opens the door to genocidal governments and democide.

Focusing on the implements of evil are a diversion, what caused this man to have no value for life, how can society identify and cure or sequester these folks rather than limiting the behavior of normal people.
1) Who cares what the gun is. The act is criminal, and perpetrator is a criminal. The gun has nothing to do with this. One could just as easily take a BAR for hunting and carry a few clips of .30-06 and do as much, if not more lethal damage than this carbine.

2) The criminal, by definition, does not follow the law and as such makes making laws against more or less useless.

As the world governments are emboldened by weak and scared huddled publics, they will slowly take away, guns, free speech, rights to trials, warrants, etc. You will become a subject, a slave to the masses. You would BAN THESE GUNS to be "safe."

Ban bats, golf clubs, cars, fatty foods, cigarettes - let us ban everything bad for you and think for you and make you do what is right all the time.

Too bad that world is a dystopian nightmare where non-conformance is punished with life imprisonment or the death penalty.

I have my guns, and use them in a lawful manner. Taking away my SBRs doesn't make you safer, it makes me pissed, demonizes guns and self defense and does nothing to hurt the criminals.

Curing cancer would be a whole lot more useful than going on an Anti-Gun Jihad.

To quote Eisenhower "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.."

But one could take this to mean that all implements of war are bad. What is really being said here is this - house the homeless, feed the hungry, solve the worlds problems and try and resolve inequities and try and raise the bottom for those who are not as fortunate… are all the anti-gun folks charitable and working hard to solve the world's problems or just another opinionated individual that lives life in a system and clings to a system - the same system which claims armed freeman are a bad thing.

Armed freeman (preferably with a total effective power greater than the organized military) are the only thing that keeps governments from committing horrible acts. Gun control opens the door to genocidal governments and democide.

Focusing on the implements of evil are a diversion, what caused this man to have no value for life, how can society identify and cure or sequester these folks rather than limiting the behavior of normal people.
Bang on (pardon the punn). Criminals are criminals. This will never change. There is a reason they are called criminals (look it up in Webster). Anyone who is confused over the gun registry issues can probably actually comprehend the difference between someone who respects the law and someone who does not. Therein lies the confusion.

Gun registry is not about being able to control the activity of a criminal with a gun. Government seems to be adept at stepping in after a tragedy occurs and the focus is on how to prevent that same tragedy from happening again. The focus is on prevention, not punishment. Every other day we read about extreme situations where murderers and rapists are turned loose on society and given the opportunity to "try again". The goal of most criminals is "to not get caught". Rehabilitation is as defunct to them as gun registry is.

Don't blame this on gun control. Blame it on the murdering idiot who committed the crime because he chose to learn what society offered to teach him. Blame it on the moral decline of our great country because too many people don't like to believe that EVERYONE has a right to the same rights, THE SAME RIGHTS, NOT their own rights. Minority groups need to get with the program and admit that if they were indeed more accepting of themselves they would not then require the acceptance of others.

Our schools teach our children that everyone is "special", nobody wins, and everyone is exactly equal and the same. Hurray, we now have children who have difficulty discovering and believing in their strengths and weaknesses, they are robbed of their individuality and so therefore seek their identities in other ways....
wlyonmackenzie....Any centerfire semi auto rifle with a barrel 18" or less is restricted. The rifle the Fool had, has a 16" barrel, so is restricted.
So the nutter had a resticted licence as well then...he had a registered 9MM pistol as well. Time to ask some questions about Quebec's background checks of PAL and restricted applicants...so far they licenced Marc Lepine, Valery Fabricant and now Gill....oh ya Moms Boucher the Hells Angel's hit man had a licence and registered guns form the Quebec CFO office....what's up with this province?
Tsk Tsk Meisner, I am quite dissapointed but not suprised you would post something like this. You obviously have little to no knowledge about firearms, their capabilites, and the laws that regulate their use and ownership.

If you did then you would know that pistol caliber cartridges are notorious for being underpowered for self defence purposes, especially the 9x19 or 9mm parabellum. If this looser Gill had shown up with your bog standard lever action hunting rifle in 30-30 there would be way more dead bodies in the morgue in Quebec today. 1 person out of 20 wounded has died so far, what does that tell you? Statistically 70% of people shot with a pistol caliber cartridge survive, that's how people like 50 cent live through being shot at close range 10 times.

You are falling victim to a hollywood fueled fantasy and are assuming that because the firearm in question looks deadly that it is deadly - totally false! You're also incorrect in thinking that just because it's in a pistol caliber with an illegal in Canada high capacity magazine (a clip is a totally different device and is another indicator of your firearms ignorance) and has a carbine length barrel that it's some kind of super killer gun - also incorrect!

BTW - something you should know......the CX4 is a RESTRICTED firearm and has a limited magazine capacity here in Canada. Laws don't apply to criminals though, unless you haven't noticed.
Why have not the police said if the rifle was registered or not? Did Gill had a licence to own a restricted firearm? If the police ran Gills name and birth date on the firearms network or if they ran the make, model, and serial # of the firearm it should have take about 1 min for the police to find out ( I have seen the system work) or is it like I think (and have seen) the system does not work, SO BEN LETS FIND OUT WAS GILL LICENCED AND WAS THE FIREARM REGISTERED. If not then the firearm registry does not work, and if he was, I quess you could say it does not work either way
He had a restricted license.

The fact is, the CFC is so overwhelmed with tasks that they often do not call people's references. It's a damn shame - perhaps someone who knew this guy had concerns.

Then again, perhaps he just snapped and there was no way to see it coming.

You guys are spending too much energy thinking about the gun. We should be thankful this guy didn't know more about guns. If he did, we'd have a lot more than just one dead right now - the gun he chose is not an assault rifle or a powerful gun.

The only solution to this kind of thing is early detection of at-risk and emotionally challenged people. It's a shame we spent our money on the gun registry, when we should have been focused on screening and programs that help young folks who are depressed or face mental illness. You have to catch them BEFORE they decide it's ok to kill people. After, it won't matter what tool they use, they'll find one.
Hmmm? Not being a gun nut, how much did this gun cost? How about the other ones? Did he buy his ammo at the local Wal-Mart? Did he have a job, to earn money to buy these guns? Being 25 and living at home with mom and pop, did he save his allowance and do odd jobs around the house to earn money to buy these guns? Lots more questions coming down the pike. At least he is dead. No need for anger management courses and non-violent conflict resolution classes either. Good riddance.
Like heroin or anything else - if someone wants it someone will supply it. Very true comments - it's about the person not the weapon.
We need to cure the problem. If he had been taken alive - how long before our system would have him on the street again?
Foxer said: "The only solution to this kind of thing is early detection of at-risk and emotionally challenged people."

Oh great let's turn the nation into an Orwellian state with micro managed citizens and a shrink bureaucracy that reads evil into the most trivial action or statement...get the whole nation under surviellence so we can stop one nutter every 17 years.

The cops in that school had a better solution to dealing with nutters...if the school ahd armed gurads or a few personel with concealed carry authorization for defensive firearms Gill would have been planted before he got started....all public places should have the ability to make a swift armed counter terror/criminal armed intervention bu trained authorized people either police, private security or trained citizens.

Guns save lives. Defensive violens is morally justified. Armed self defense is a basic human right. A responsible armed citizenry acts as an auxillery police force.