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Numbers Down = Lost Dollars?

By 250 News

Wednesday, March 14, 2007 04:00 AM

     

Sign at Highways 97 and 16 will have to be changed

Stats Canada says the latest census shows there were 1,425 fewer people living in Prince George in 2006, compared to 2001. That drop in population could be very expensive for the City of Prince George.

In the days leading up to the official May 16th census, Prince George Mayor Colin Kinsley urged everyone to ensure they were "counted in" as “Each person counted means $1,100 dollars in federal transfer payments”

If that is the case, then Prince George has just lost $1,567,500.00

Acting Mayor Don Zurowski says he is having some difficulty in accepting the population count “Provincial stats show us as growing, rental availabilities are low, the housing market is hot, unemployment is low and participation in the labour force is up.” He says all the signs are there indicating the population is increasing, but somehow Stats Canada still comes up with a 2% drop.

Will that mean a direct loss in dollars for the City? Not necessarily says Zurowski “The loss may be more in the way of reduced dollars to some federally funded programs, like health, education or some green programs.” Still there is a potential the amount available to Prince George and region will be reduced.

In its 2007 budget presentation the Corporate Services department reported “Wherever possible the City applies for Federal and Provincial grants.”

Those “grants” would include funding through the Municipal-Rural Infrastructure program for dollars to help build the Cameron Street Bridge. Acting Mayor Don Zurowski says he is not giving up “I still challenge the Federal and Provincial Governments’ to do the right thing and pay their 2/3 share of the cost of the Cameron Street Bridge project.” It is not clear how, or if, the reduced population numbers will impact funding for the construction of the RCMP building.

In the 2007 budget discussions, there were $1.22 million dollars worth of capital projects which rely on the Community Works fund. The capital plan has been approved, and Zurowski says he believes the dollars were already committed by the fund for the projects.

Will there need to be any adjustment to the City’s 2007 budget? Zurowski says no “From this Councilor’s chair, I cannot see us going back to adjust the tax requisition to cover the Federal Government”.


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Wow, I wonder where everyone went? Campbell blamed in on the NDP and said everyone was moving to Alberta, still must be the case. Remember the "Heartlands" The open government (who hides everything they can) And don't forget that the economy is doing so well, for everyone that lives west and south of Hope I guess. All we get in the interior are higher municipal taxes, provincial user fees and taxes, rising BC Hydro bills, ICBC rates, school closures,crappy roads and highways, high gas prices you name it, they'll stick it to us for the 2010 games.
Potentially are more people working here but not living here ? You think Fort St. John had growth, well if it included the amount of guys who still live in Grande Prairie but drive to FSJ and just live in rental places their numbers would be even greater.
The census process is just another diversion and more noise to make us believe we are getting value for our tax dollars... we already have birth and death records... everything inbetween is tracked by those numbers in your wallet.
Tumbler Ridge is booming. Maybe everyone was out of town working when the census was done. Almost everyone up there lives in PG. Some of those coal mines have hundreds of trades people working at them.

I remember hearing the government couldn't find census workers for the BC interior because they required all census workers to speak French, and no French speaking people were applying for the jobs. I think that had a large part to play in our low census figures.
WHY IS EVERYBODY TALKING OF POPULATION DROPING? YES POPULATION DID DROP BETWEEN 2001 AND 2006 BUT IT HAS BEEN RISING STEADY SINCE. QUIT LIVING IN THE PAST AND START LOOKING AHEAD. WE HAVE PROBABLY GAINED HALF OF THAT LOSS BACK SINCE THE BEGINING OF 2006. THE MEDIA SHOULD STOP DWELLING ON WHAT WAS AND START REPORTING ON WHAT IS AND WHAT WILL BE. NOBODY EVER WON BY BEING NEGATIVE.
Well they also paid crap to the workers. It was based upon completed surveys, so that is why the workers harassed people to complete them, sometimes several times as then they get paid for them even though it was the same person filling it out. In general the whole census was flawed but alas those are the numbers we have to live with.
Census? What census? Next time have your people phone my people and we'll talk. Sorry I missed it.
That's ok Yama they got me twice...so you are covered...lol
Here we go again, Denial, denial, denial.

Lets look at some facts;

School enrolments down in School Dist 57 by approx 500 people per year for the last 5/7 years.

University enrolments static, and college enrolments down. Both University and College downsizing.

10,000 Kids grew up in the last 5/10 years and are now renting,or buying houses.

If you people are so confident that there are people coming to this town, then I suggest that you look around your Neibourhood, and at your place of work and count the number of **new** people you know that have moved to town. I suggest that you will come up with (a) None or (b) Very few. This should give you a hint.

I dont know any new people who came to this town in the last 5 years, however I do know quite a few that have left.
And if you noticed in the spring of 2006 there were moving vans in your neighbourhood. And guess what people were moving out to the big cities. In our block three families move out to Vancouver. Guess who move in, retirees.

If our famous Zuroski should become mayor god help us. His head is even higher in the clouds then the infamous Kinsley. Notice how he tries to avoid reality by twisting the head count.

Chjeers
Vancouver is also getting ready to close schools, in the double digits I believe. I don't believe the lower mainland has lost any people. As a landlord right now times have never been better. There is obviously people coming to town just not counted ones. I think that the #'s from Stats Can just don't add up.
I agree that rental space is down, and some people are buying houses, however as I said before when you have 10,000 local kids that grew up in the last 5/10 years you have a big influx of people looking for rentals and buying houses. I dont understand why people have such a difficult time grasping the fact that these people are what is pushing the market, not necessarily new arrivals. Any parent who had kids at home 5 years ago can tell you that they moved to their own apartments or bought a house, got married etc;

Those Cities that show a significant increase in numbers by Stats Can rarily if ever suggest that the numbers are wrong. The only Cities that complain about the numbers are those that show a decrease. This should also give you a hint.

Call Centres located in this town because they knew that there would be a huge increase in Students leaving school and looking for work. Look at all the stores in Westgate, and Pine Centre, Parkwood, and you will see that almost every job is filled by young people. All these young people are now driving cars which they wernt doing 7/8 years ago, and this accounts for the increase in traffic to some degree.

You can have an increase in traffic, increase in rentals, increase in house building and purchases, without any increase in population, for a short period of time, however this anamoly will fail in the next 5 years because there will be less young people graduating and looking for accomodation etc;

Palopu, I agree and believe with everything you say.
Now, do you have any solutions?
Does anyone here understand or believe that within 10 years the pulpmills, sawmills, plywood mills will all be gone?
I think we just have a bunch of unhappy people that dislike the feds and will not do anything (including being counted) to assist the Feds. Its a sorry note but relying on people to do most things is a stretch most of the time.
Hey "Palopu" you said "I dont know any new people who came to this town in the last 5 years, however I do know quite a few that have left." = no friends. Get off your computer and go out and meet new people. Lots have moved to town in the last 12 months.
Free Enterprise. Some move in some move out. My point is that in my neibourhood it has been the same people for the past 10 years or more. Same thing in the Malls same faces everyday, except on Week-Ends when the out of towners come to town.

Almost every restaurant or store has the same people working their, or some new graduates. (Still local)

The majority of people who move in and out of this town are Goverment Workers, RCMP, and these are people who are getting transferred.

Even if the BC Stats were correct we still have less than 78000 people is this burg. So I guess we can take a middle number between BC Stats 77,343 and Stats Canada 70,981 which would be 74,162. Still a decrease in population.

Prince George City complained about Stats Canada being wrong in 2001 and they are complaining again about the 2005 numbers. They should apply for the National Whiners Award I am sure they would win. There were 7 other Citys in North Central BC that showed a decrease in Population. I suppose their numbers are incorrect also.
How about Mcbride it went from 711 to 660 do you think the Census people missed 51 people in Mcbride. Maybe they should ask for a re-count.
Hey Palopu: your right.
There is a downturn a commin. PG's economy still hasn't diversified enough to the point where it will remain healthy after forestry fails. People will go where the jobs are. In PG, Timmies will hire for 9.00 an hour, but in Alberta, they'll pay workers 25 dollars and up. Some places like MacDonalds are even offering hiring bonuses to employees as employment incentives.
I have personally spoken to a few home builders in town and they feel the market is starting to slow ( new home sales) so if the real estate market begins to chug to a halt or a marked decline, it will reflect the health of the local economy. Prices may not be as low as in 2002 but they will come down nonetheless.
Ok if you really think the pop is dropping right now then someone has to tell me why is my rental occupancy at 100 percent, and everyone has jobs? If the poor have moved out, where have they gone to? 2 years ago the vacancy rate in town was HUGE! The rental units are still all there, why are they filled if no one lives here?
They never event sent or dropped off a census to me...lol
I bet they missed literally thousands and thousands in the PG area.