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Rustad Announces Road Repairs

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Thursday, March 15, 2007 11:45 AM

An announcement from MLA John Rustad’s office looks like the deal of the century.

Here is the text of that message.

 PRINCE GEORGE - 43.5 km of Highway 16 west of Prince George will receive repairs, announced Prince George-Omineca MLA John Rustad.

The stretch of highway between Gauthier/Bunce Roads and Lloyd Drive will be strengthened and then rehabilitated using hot in-place recycling.
Fernie-based R.W. Blacktop Ltd. won the $3,147,840 contract for the upgrades. Increased heavy traffic on the highway as a result of the mountain pine beetle kill harvest has been a major factor in causing the existing highway to show signs of rutting and to begin deteriorating rapidly.

Does this mean the road repair for the entire strech can be done for 3 mill ? , or are we just repairing a short section?

Rustad says  the entire stretch  will be done for the  amount stated "I have checked and double checked these fgures, and if you look at costs for similar repairs to  similar stretches of highway last year, you will find the  cost about the same" The cost works out to about $72,thousand dollars per kilometer.

The difference says Rustad is that these repairs are  using hot, in-place recycling  which means the existing asphalt is lifted, reheated, then laid back down.  He says  double checking  costs for last year indicate 30 kilometers had been repaired  using the same system for a cost of about $2.5  million dollars or $83 thousand a kilometer. " So in fact this year the repairs are even cheaper."


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It was not all that many years ago that a long stretch in the gravel pit lake area was done, has it been pounded out already?
metalman.
This is an interesting figure.Not a lot of money when it comes to road repair and paving.Perhaps Mr.Rustad who made the announcement in the first place could clear up exactly how much work will actually be done? (as soon as he asks Gordon what he should say?)
Looks like just enough money to do the studies to see how much could actually be spent.
Rustad obviously got the 'press release for dummies" version.
Good question?
I even doubt that Rustad knows...unless mr Campbell has told him!
"Does this mean the road repair for the entire stretch can be done for 3 mill ? , or are we just repairing a short section?"

I would say yes based on past pricing of such projects, as John Rustad seems to have also stated.

Remember, this is recycling so very little material, thus transportation, time, etc. will be required. The production can be in order of 3 lane km per day depending on the machinery and asphalt depth used. So that means about 30 working days, give or take a few days depending on shifts, machine breakdown, and other unexpected conditions.

Thus it becomes about a $100,000/day operation. There will be some material expenses for binders as well as fuels for the heaters and runs the mechanical components of the machine. Other than that, nothing much else is required.

Seems to me this is a reasonable price.

Perhaps there is someone else on here who has some more specific figures on other surface reconditioning projects which use a recycling process and are not in the ballpark for this type of project. If so, speak your mind and provide the back-up.

So far the preponderance of opinion appears to be that the price is unbelievably low. On what knowledge are those opinions based? Or are those posts just intended to take potshots to see if someone will flinch?

BTW, don’t expect similar prices for City streets since they have manhole covers , curbs, intersections, etc to deal with. Recycling a ribbon of blacktop in a highway situation is quite different from residential streets.

http://www.pyropaver.com/pyropaver300E.pdf

That is the machine the company will be using.

http://www.rwblacktop.net/profile.htm
Has the original story changed over time? Seems to me that the original report did not include the last two paragraphs.

Mayby my computer is on the fritz.
All depends on how well the in place recycling is done. Take a look at Ospika blvd for an example of how not to do it. Both sections were done less than three years ago, were terrible from the beginning and have just gotten worst. We sure got ripped off by that contractor.
It is not how much money you spend it is how you spend it.The wheel loading on the road has gone up substantially yet the foundation design for the road has changed very little in the past forty years. Imagine you have a cup full of jelly beans and a cup full of sugar cubes, now try to put your finger to the bottom of the cup. Right jelly beans no problem, sugar cubes another story (no movement).We have to quit using round gravel and switch to 100% fractured rock to build our road foundations.No movement - no rutting.Asphalt has very little strength in itself.Lets quit paving over jelly beans and do it right in the first place.
"All depends on how well the in place recycling is done"

That is not unique to recycling projects. It is true of any construction project.

The foothills project of some 10 or so years ago was doomed from the start. Some was done during questionalbe weather, and virtually the entire job was not had a problem with the joining of the sevral passes to accommodate the width of the street.

For anyone who watched the construction of the original 10 or so storey Glen Shee apartments, there was another construction job of unbelievable lack of knowledge of construction. They were finally torn down and some of the rubble dumped on the Nechako cutbanks in Miworth to try to prevent erosion from the river currents.

Sometimes I have to wonder where the quality inspectors are from the city when stuff like that gets accepted.
I agree, I watched a contractor three years ago lay some concrete sidewalks in our neighbourhood in terrible conditions. It had been raining like mad and they wanted to get it done no matter what. The prep was extemely poor and as a result same said sidewalk heaved and broke in numerous places the very next spring. we're not talking nornmal cracking - this thing heaved 4-6 inches and broke in several sections. No quality control here and city has done dick to remedy situation or go back to contractor to demand remedy. Same for interection of Domano and O'Grady a couple years ago. Paved and prepared this in late fall in mud and slush. Now the thing is heaving like a roller coaster. City has the most pathetic record for quality control and our tax dollar goes to redo this and the only ones who gain are the contractors who know they can be as slip shod as they wish and the city will do dick all. Maybe Colin and Council could do well to be more vigilant with what is done with the tax dollar they already spend rather than just looking for more to hand over for crappy road and sidewalk contstruction. Same could also be said for their useless attempts at public landscaping.